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Why is there a bias against interracial dating?
AJC ^ | 1/10/04 | AJC

Posted on 01/10/2004 7:02:50 PM PST by freedom44

Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, responds

SHAUNTI FELDHAHN for ajc.com

As a kid, I never realized there was a bias against interracial dating -- or that any serious racial bias still existed. Like most kids in the Washington, D.C.-area melting pot, I grew up around everyone from the children of African diplomats to kids who came over on the boats from Cambodia. My classmates spoke every language and lived in everything from luxury lake homes to public housing. Our dinner guests were just as likely to be from Nigeria or India as from Kansas or California.

After graduation, I left home for a summer waitressing job at a Colorado guest ranch, completely unaware that my multi-racial upbringing had been unusual. I learned fast.

Twenty young staffers came to the ranch from all over the country, and we girls put up pictures and frills to make each bunk our own. One evening, I showed another waitress my snapshots. She gestured at a Homecoming picture of me and my best friend with our dates, standing in front of my date's vintage Mercedes.

"And who is this," she asked, "your chauffer?"

"No, silly," I laughed, "he's my date."

"Your date?" She pulled away, appalled that I would go to Homecoming with a black friend. She stood up, walked out of the room and never spoke to me again. From then on, she communicated through other staff members. "Mary, tell Shaunti to fill the syrup bottles."

Word got around quickly. The next morning, the two cooks -- two young men who had been my friends -- started chanting, "once you go black, you never go back" over and over again. I was horrified, and had no idea how to respond. They were merciless the rest of the summer, and I received a ruthless and swift education.

Why is there a bias against interracial dating, especially between blacks and whites? Almost certainly, people with that bias are people who have no close friends of other races. And unfortunately that's still a sizeable population. Once you have spent time with each other, cried on each other's shoulders, worshipped together at church, or played games long into the night at each other's homes, somehow the idea of their daughter dating your son becomes a non-issue.

And that relationship, by the way, is what makes the difference between giving politically-correct lip service to racial diversity and having a real love for one another as people, and a desire for community.

The problem is, there will always be those who choose to wall themselves off from those friendships, whether out of subtle discomfort or hard-core bigotry. But in most cases, no wall is wanted. It's just that someone of another color seems different. And they are different. We all are. A rich mixture of different elements makes us all who we are -- including our race, gender, economic background, faith, beliefs and interests. That's what makes relationships so interesting and worthwhile, including dating relationships. And because racially biased people have never experienced it, they don't understand what a blessing that diversity can be.

Rebuttal Diane Glass AJC columnist

Shaunti gets a gold star for political correctness. I don't think many would disparage her heartfelt experience. But asking "why is there racism" isn't nearly as interesting or provocative as asking what you are going to do in the face of bigotry? We all know racism exists. Knowing something doesn't change it. Doing something does.

After Shaunti faced racism head on, what did she do? Did she shy away from interracial dating as an adult, bite her tongue and shake her head in silent disapproval? Or did she fight bigotry with spirited defiance? Silence and obedience are just as toxic a poison. And the question I'm dying to ask is: Would Shaunti consider marrying a black man? She advocates a stable home where the triple scourge of divorce, atheism and gay marriage endanger children. How would she feel about an interracial marriage fraught with social stigma, family arguments and sarcastic barbs at school? Would she take a stand against racism if her children had to suffer?

I wonder.

I ask because the statistics suggest that many may lament the failings of a racist culture but few want to withstand the approbation when racial boundaries are crossed. Since 1980, interracial marriages have more than doubled but today this still only represents a mere 2 percent of married couples in 2000.

Interracial dating isn't so black and white. Pardon the pun. And yet it is. The Asian population intermixes with any race and this barely raises an eyebrow. Likewise with Hispanics. It's often an issue of black and white relationships. Black men with white women is the most problematic for Americans, even though black men and white women are more than twice as likely to marry than black women and white men.

Resentment and a healthy dose of prejudice are veiled in the tales about the mythic physical endowments of black men. Yet racism isn't only a failing of the white population. Black women often feel betrayed by black men who look outside of their race and choose the arms of an enemy who exemplifies the American ideal. The blond Ivory Girl smile and blue eyes of Tiger Woods' future wife no doubt raised the ire of many who wondered why such a powerful role model to black youth couldn't embrace his own race.

Racism, like the history of marriage, is about power: Who has it, who wants it, how can I get it? People feel betrayed and angry about interracial couples because these couples step across enemy lines. "Can we all just get along?" That's not likely until power among the races is on a level playing field and marriage, or dating, is no longer an act of treason.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: african; asian; black; blacks; caucasian; dating; diversity; intermixed; interracial; marriage; mixed; multiculturalism; pc; white; whites
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To: Rytwyng
I believe you have confused dating with courting.
121 posted on 01/11/2004 8:18:52 AM PST by null and void (Poor, poor Muttly....richer than many.)
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To: freedom44
No bias from this freeper. I've seen numerous mixed marriages in my time. For me, being divorced I have no interest in dating anyone right now (I'm 43), but if I was date anyone I wouldn't narrow my search to white women. Matter of fact I've always been fond of asian women. While I've seen some asian women that make cows look prettier by comparison, some of them are "knock 'em down drop dead gorgeous."
122 posted on 01/11/2004 8:25:31 AM PST by pctech
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To: freedom44
Being in the military , I've worked with a lot of guys who's wives aren't native English speakers. That's an even wider gulf than mere ethnicity, since it entails dealing with a serious cultural gap as well. In many cases, it works out very well. I don't know what the actual stats are, but those couples seem far less likely to get divorced.

As far as black and white goes, I've been with a black woman for the last ten years (on and off, but far more on than off). This has made me more attentive towards racism than I otherwise would have been, but I can't say that I've encountered more than a scattered few instances.

Most of the flak we get comes from younger black guys. It's almost always in the form of humor, but an uncomfortable, almost defensive kind. I had a black squad leader who was in shock for days when he found out. While he was very supportive, it blew his mind for some reason and lead to a lot of jokes.

From older blacks, it's completely different. We've had older blacks stop us in public and tell us what a nice couple we make and how they like seeing us together, for no reason at all. As if we were making some kind of political statement, as opposed to just buying some ice cream.

As far as whites go, aside from a very, very few instances with young or very old idiots, the normal reaction is momentary curiosity, followed by indifferance.

I encounter far more racism travelling overseas than I do at home. She thinks she gets more trouble by virute of her gender than ethnicity, and I'd be inclined to agree.

Neither the old lady nor I have had anything more than a hit and run racial comment more than every five years. Perhaps because she's working on her masters and wields an agile, biting, non-Ebonics accented command of the English language, and I have the bearing of a guy who might either reach for his knife or call his lawyer if provoked, we haven't experienced any real trouble.

123 posted on 01/11/2004 9:02:31 AM PST by Steel Wolf (- Access Denied - Enter Security Override - Override Confirmed - Tagline is now Armed -)
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To: Jorge
One of my older sisters dated a black guy during her rebellious stage and ended up marrying him.

I think there is a high correlation between white girls who date black guys and the girl having "daddy issues".

124 posted on 01/11/2004 9:09:48 AM PST by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Before I married She-who-must-be-obeyed, I dated several girls "outside of my race."

Was everyone I encountered happy? Nope. Did I care? Nope.

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125 posted on 01/11/2004 9:28:12 AM PST by mhking (MaldiciĆ³n justa.)
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To: IndependentSouthernDemocrat
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

My brother-in-law is white.

[shrug]

OK.

He's family. He's my sister's husband.

126 posted on 01/11/2004 9:30:38 AM PST by mhking (MaldiciĆ³n justa.)
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To: pctech
Lucy Liu from a whole lotta movies
Bai Ling from My Baby's Daddy
Knowing a lot of girls from Vietnam,Philippines,etc. I concur with your sentiment!
127 posted on 01/11/2004 9:35:49 AM PST by cyborg (iu)
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To: marron
"Jerk" has no color. I have always said that "jerk" should have its own passport and its own homeland, so the rest of us can go on our way in peace.

Amen.

128 posted on 01/11/2004 9:36:31 AM PST by dighton
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To: CatoRenasci
I've had the same experience....very intense and almost violent at times.
129 posted on 01/11/2004 9:39:33 AM PST by teldon30
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To: mhking; Sister_T
I don't really care who dates and marries whom.

I am color blind. I make it a practice to never notice the color of someone's skin. It makes no difference to me.

If dating or marrying ,a person of a different background , race or culture makes some one happy I am all for it, it is none of my business.

I think alot of the animosity between dark skinned Americans and light skinned Americans ,is perpetuated by people who don't know racism, slavery or discrimination the likes of people who did 200 years ago.

Why can't they let it go and live in the present.

That is the real question.

130 posted on 01/11/2004 9:45:50 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ("were it not for the brave , there would be no land of the free")
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To: happygrl
I think many from this generation have left the anger of the previous generation behind and are more apt to deal with people on an individual basis, rather than a racial basis.

If that's true, why are the large majority of black-white dating/marriages between black males and white females? Why do black females get upset (and rightfully so, imho) over this huge discrepancy?

131 posted on 01/11/2004 11:43:36 AM PST by xJones
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Exactly how you should feel...good for you.
132 posted on 01/11/2004 11:47:02 AM PST by wtc911 (I would like at least to know his name)
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To: malcolmtwain
signed up today, huh?
what happened... got bored with DUh.com?

your assumptions, ingrained bias, proud dogmatic victimhood, and DNC-issued talking points kinda give you away.
133 posted on 01/11/2004 12:12:50 PM PST by King Prout (oh, finding your "core values" in the latest poll, are you, Mr. Dean?)
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To: freedom44
Does anyone still care about this? Who the hell cares whether the person you're dating is black/white/yellow/red/green/purple? Why is that significant to anyone?

I would have hoped that we would have moved beyond that BS.

Newsflash - we're Americans, and shouldn't be defined by the color of our skin.

134 posted on 01/11/2004 12:19:34 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: freedom44
I've dated a few colors in my time. I, personally, don't care what color my daughter dates as long as they're Christian, honest, intelligent, educated and from a good family. I do realize, however, that should she choose to date/marry outside her race there will be additional challenges imposed by society. But is her decision to make. I can only counsel her.
135 posted on 01/11/2004 1:13:35 PM PST by manic4organic (An organic conservative)
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To: King Prout; dighton
I've got a Sacajawea dollar here that says malcolmtwain isn't even black.
136 posted on 01/11/2004 1:30:51 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
I think he's another one of Strom's love children.
137 posted on 01/11/2004 1:33:50 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Death before dhimmi.)
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To: Thumper1960
Would you want your son to marry a Britney Spears?

No, never.

138 posted on 01/11/2004 1:34:43 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: hellinahandcart
well, I'M not black, for that matter.
it just seems to me that the "uneven playing field" as it exists today does so primarily in the anti-trained minds and ingrained whining attitudes of those who complain most loudly about it.
139 posted on 01/11/2004 1:41:59 PM PST by King Prout (oh, finding your "core values" in the latest poll, are you, Mr. Dean?)
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To: fatima
Black men do not like white men dating black women, however, they have no problem with black men dating white women. It sounds like they want to keep ALL the women to themselves!
140 posted on 01/11/2004 1:44:54 PM PST by reg45
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