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A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe

The President's Speech on Immigration Reform given on January 7th, 2004 has many far reaching proposals which if enacted into law, will shape the future of America for generations to come.

It is the first such immigration reform initiative by any president since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to illegal immigrants living in the United States in 1986.

President Bush's immigration reform initiative would provide immediate and significant legal protections and rights for any illegal immigrants now living in the United States providing they inform the government of their presence here by legally registering it with the .

Significant benefits and privileges, including an opportunity for U.S. citizenship, would be granted to these immigrants as a result of their cooperation.

Since at least ten million illegal immigrants already living in the United States are eligible for the president's proposal, and since deporting that large of a population back to their home countries is largely considered physically impractical, this solution is seen as the "best-case" solution to the immigration problem by many Americans.

Also embedded into the president's proposal are far reaching changes that are considered by many Americans to be "giving away the farm." The cost of absorbing millions of illegal immigrants all at once and the impact and precedent it could create for future illegal immigrations are believed by many other Americans to far outweigh the benefits of legitimizing these millions of immigrants.

The political, economic, and social impact of President Bush's initiatives will affect the United States for at least the remainder of the 21st Century.

The crisis of illegal immigration affects each and every American, and the longer the crisis goes unanswered, the worse it will become.

It is for this reason that the nation must now put their differences aside and work together for the combined good of all Americans, from all walks of life, and from all political and economic persuasions.

Current FR link reference on President Bush's Immigration Reform Initiative will be update on a regular basis.

President George W. Bush's speech on immigration delivered on Jan. 7, 2004 follows:


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To: swampfox98
" horrible education bill, the horrible campaign finance law and the horrible prescription law."

This is different....both sides of the house are in sufficient numbers to kill this. No guarantees, just my opinion.
41 posted on 01/12/2004 1:15:24 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: international american
I hope so, too. But will it be dead permanently? I doubt it, because as we speak more and more illegals are coming into our country, and one day their political clout will blow America out of the water.

President Fox won't rest until Canada, US, Central and South America are one nation.

42 posted on 01/12/2004 1:22:16 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98
What is sickening about the President's remarks, quoted above, is that like his immediate predecessor, he is using slick emotionally tinged Madison Avenue type arguments--much as one might market a new TV series, or any of the Leftwing programs that the Left has marketed over the past half-century--and has completely avoided the real questions involved in the present immigration debate. It is impossible to believe that he both understands and cares about the long-term implications and effects of what he proposes.

I have tried to address this whole problem with balance (yet with a firm determination to discuss frankly the ethnic questions which the Left in Academia has been trying since the 1920s to suppress), in order to put the essential factors before the student debater, in Chapter 15 of the Debate Handbook: Immigration & The American Future. It is packed full of points that the President refuses to acknowledge even need be considered at all. While mankind has throughout history often followed leaders that ignored reality; reality always emerges in the end with terrible consequences. Frankly, I do not believe that we dare continue to support this type of "leadership."

William Flax

43 posted on 01/12/2004 1:26:27 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: PRND21
your fear and anger

Fear?
1) The loss of American jobs to illegal aliens who will work for less, bringing down wages in most industries.
2) American workers in the construction jobs and other similarly paid industries will have to compete with illegals who will work for minimum wage, so they won't be hired.
3) Bush's proposal will encourage millions more to come.

Anger?
1) American taxpayers have to pay for medical care, welfare, schooling, etc. etc. for illegal aliens. The employers won't help with medical coverage when they know the state will pay it.
2) More American cities will resemble Mexican colonias, with all the mess they bring with them. This has already happened in many California communities.
3) Loss of sovereignty of the U.S. - We have a President who doesn't respect U.S. laws and refuses to enforce existing immigration laws. Americans have to obey the laws, but illegal aliens don't.
4) Any kind of amnesty, no matter what they call it, is an insult to those immigrants who cared enough about our country to apply legally and waited their turn.

I find it strange that you don't have any of the same concerns about America.

44 posted on 01/12/2004 1:32:21 PM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: janetgreen
I find it strange that you don't have any of the same concerns about America.

Pat did, too.

45 posted on 01/12/2004 1:43:34 PM PST by PRND21
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To: swampfox98
"more and more illegals are coming into our country, and one day their political clout will blow America out of the water."

If I could afford it, I would bring every naysaying freeper to California, and give them a grand tour. But I can't. So many freepers are backing Bush on this, and if Gore had done it, they would be screaming bloody murder.
46 posted on 01/12/2004 1:50:39 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: PRND21
Pat did, too.

And of course Pat was right. He got crucified for being right. No one is supposed to speak the truth anymore, it's not politically correct.

47 posted on 01/12/2004 1:57:48 PM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: janetgreen
Pat = Jesus?
48 posted on 01/12/2004 2:09:08 PM PST by PRND21
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To: swampfox98
Therefore, I believe this Amnesty proposal will pass hands down.

Umm, Bush tried to ram 245(i) amnesty through Congress and it was defeated in committee after a firestorm of public opposition. That btw was modest compared to what's being proposed here.

Not saying nothing will pass eventually, but it won't be anything near this monstrosity.

49 posted on 01/12/2004 2:10:59 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Correct!
50 posted on 01/12/2004 2:16:12 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: All
Crime Victims of Illegal Aliens

Mark Steyn: llIegals the political 'untouchables'


51 posted on 01/12/2004 2:27:33 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Happy2BMe
BUMP!!
52 posted on 01/12/2004 2:52:48 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: international american; keri
Bush Tries to Mend Ties With Mexico

53 posted on 01/12/2004 3:23:36 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Ohioan
Bill, I don't know what I will do on election day. As one Freeper told me yesterday, nobody cares about my one vote and I'm not very important in the scheme of things.

I believe the horror of this illegal problem transcends politics, and I agree with you we can't support a President who refuses to see the danger to the American way of life if open borders continues, and amnesty is given out like Popsicles.

However, I will not vote for a Democrat.

54 posted on 01/12/2004 3:37:27 PM PST by swampfox98 (Guess I'll stay home.)
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To: Happy2BMe; AbsoluteJustice
MCCAIN-FEINGOLD LAW LEAVES WASHINGTON A DESERTED SMOKING RUIN-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 33 (with some opening humor)

55 posted on 01/12/2004 3:42:23 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: All; keri
Fox Accepts Invitation To Bush Ranch

56 posted on 01/12/2004 6:02:23 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Happy2BMe; keri; Sabertooth
Amnesty By Another Name is Still Amnesty: Bush Compounds an Immigration Disaster

57 posted on 01/12/2004 6:50:11 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Mass Immigration Said 'Swamping' U.S. Cities

58 posted on 01/12/2004 7:36:32 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: PRND21
you silly boy.
59 posted on 01/12/2004 7:46:26 PM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: janetgreen
;)
60 posted on 01/12/2004 10:32:37 PM PST by PRND21
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