The Real Culprits: Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men

BreakPoint ^ | 14 Jan 04 | Chuck Colson

[RightWhale]

It was fast. And I mean fast! The light was good, and we were doing combat shooting that day so we were all alert and everything. I looked out toward an open space kind of diffused vision, not unfocused, and zip! there went one. left to right. Like an arrow only much faster. Would guess about 500 mph like a .22 short, which you can also see in good light. It wasn't going in a straight line either, since it dodged a tree. Color was like camo brown-green. Size about 3 feet long. Thickness, maybe an inch. Call it good, got better things to do than look for these things.

[Williams]

My great aunt did the same exact thing in a brightly lit room in which I was sleeping. I "woke up" and very clearly saw her walk into the room. She said "goodbye Jimmie" and sort of collapsed into the floor and disappeared. Because my great aunt lived for another ten years after that incident, I concluded that I was actually still asleep but as I woke I was having a dream which "took place" in the same room. When this first happened, I thought I would be getting a call that she had passed away.

[null and void]

KEWL!

[Ancesthntr]

And yet, Ross writes, UFOs must be nonphysical, because they disobey the laws of physics. For instance, they may be detected by radar but not seen, or they're seen but not detected by radar. They make impossibly sharp turns and sudden stops, disappear and reappear. They melt asphalt and burn grass without fire or flame.

They have the effect of pre-inebriating at least 90% of those who see them (you know, through time travel).

And then there's the fact that ten times as many UFO sightings occur at 3:00 a.m. than at either 6:00 a.m. or 8:00 p.m. They appear in remote areas far more often than in densely populated ones.

They are reported by drunks, who are oftentimes cheating on their spouses, far more often than not.

[Dead Dog]

What's a Rod?

[Ancesthntr]

Why would a demon need a spaceship?

Kind of like the Star Trek movie where Kirk asks the evil being "Why would G-d need a spaceship?" And the answer is just as simple, except that in the Star Trek movie nobody is drunk at 3:00 AM when they see the "alien."

[djf]

Certainly many are man made. But there have been more than a few that are so large, it defies explanation as to how it could have been done. A surveyor type/civil engineer was quoted after seeing one of the biggest and most complex circles ever made that it would take a team of twenty men, with all the modern tools and instrumentation they could get, two weeks of full time work to make the circle.

[Williams]

Apparently they know what locks are unlocked when no one's around.

[swampfox98]

"must be associated with the activities of demons."

Are you sure Charles didn't mean Democrats instead of demons. Either one gives me the shivers.

[mrsmith]

What impressed my parents and grandparents, when I woke them up, is that I did not know there used to be a door where she walked through the wall.

But who knows? Children have a different reality than the rest of us.

[smokinleroy]

My brother and I both saw some kind of UFO when we were kids in rural western PA. I vividly recall hearing a hissing jet-like sound, looking up and seeing this round metal thing moving across the daytime sky. My brother said "That's a flying saucer". It was rotating at maybe 2-3 RPS with flames and/or exhaust coming out of three or four locations around the circumference and leaving an exhaust trail. It appeared to be maybe 50" across and maybe 1000" high. After it was gone, we went and told our father who was working under the car about it. He thought we were joking.

[RightWingAtheist]

[RightWingAtheist]

Bad Astronomy Ping

[VadeRetro]

It seems apparent, says Ross, that UFOs, if there are such things, "must be associated with the activities of demons."

So Hugh Ross of Reasons-to-Believe.org, Old-Earth-Creationist and anti-evolution fruitcake, thinks it "seems apparent" that the small core of unexplained UFO sightings are the activities of demons. Never mind that a lot fewer people report seeing demons than report seeing UFOs. That's odd, as you might expect the cause of UFO sightings to be more common than the sightings themselves. That is, people should see demons once in a while if demons are causing the UFOs.

Suppose, of the paltry few demons sightings that occur, that the same proportion is false--that is, can be explained by other phenomena--as obtained in UFO sightings. One might as well say there are no direct sightings of demons, only their secondary effect, the UFOs. I have never seen a demon, myself. I don't know anyone who has seen a demon. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has seen a demon.

Maybe there's some reason you can't see a demon. After all, you can't see an electron. But in that case we need a reason besides UFOs to infer the existence of demons or the whole thing is pretty empty.

It is at least as likely that a small core of UFO sightings is unexplained because you can't expect to always be able to gather much data about a past event happening with no prior notice at some odd hour in a remote location and witnessed in some cases by only one person.

Ross, as a physicist and astronomer, should be able to reason that out but somehow isn't.

[protest1]

I have watched a time laps video of a team of 3 men making a large complex "crop circle" in one night using nothing more than string and wooden boards. They planed out the shape first on a "spirograph" drawing toy.

The only non "man made" explanation I believe may be possible was on a documentary I saw several years ago.

Briefly in areas on England where there is suitable landscape wind vortices (sort of small short lived tornadoes) broke off after cresting a hill. They then descended on to the fields beyond flattening a circle of crops. Only relatively small circles would be formed... no fancy shapes.
Seemed a good explanation.

[brooklin]

I have always wondered how advanced a civilization would have to be to travel to this planet just to knock some grain down in really neat patterns.

[brooklin]

Wow! you saw something just over 4 feet in diameter, about 30 feet high. I can't believe it! ;>

[djf]

IMHO, alien intelligence and motives would be something extremely difficult, if not impossible to understand.

After all, they don't have "Friends" in outerspace!

[orionblamblam]

>They melt asphalt and burn grass without fire or flame.

What, you mean like a hydrogen peroxide monoprop rocket engines? No fire, no flame... but melt stuff Real Good. Or how about sunlight focussed through a lens? No fire, no flame... but melts stuff Real Good.

But still... any melted asphalt MUST be the result of broken physics...

> "Only one kind of being favors the dead of night and lonely roads. Only one is real but nonphysical, animate, powerful, deceptive," and "bent on wreaking psychological and physical harm."

Leprechauns? Fairies? Elves?

> "must be associated with the activities of demons."

Ah. Of course.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Why would a demon need a spaceship?"

I read the book, and the point is that UFO's are NOT spaceships but are rather temporary energy manifestations intended to create the illusion of spaceships (and other objects or creatures) for the purpose of deceiving human beings about the nature of reality, about man's place in the universe, about religion, etc.