[Mr. Silverback]

That theory has always made sense to me--get people's attention focused on stuff that has little place in it for Biblical input, and that's that. I have a friend in Maine who won't listen to anything about Jesus (or anything either political party says) because he believes in UFO conspiracies.

[Mr. Silverback]

BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

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[Warren]

Ever hear about Rods?

[Warren]

Ever hear about Rods?

[martian_22]

Since the standard of alien exploration has a lot to do with "probing", I have a lot of questions about their civilization and diplomatic skills.

[djf]

UFO's are like crop circles. All it takes is just one to be real.

Just one.

[Hodar]

Why would a demon need a spaceship?

[mrsmith]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ... Good lord! Did you see that???!!!"

Never seen a UFO, seen a ghost once. My Great Grandmother walked into a room I was sleeping in and left through the wall where there used to be a door when she was alive. Weird.

[Cicero]

Interesting possibility. I'm a science fiction fan, but I've never found anything very scientific about the UFO phenomenon.

There's an interesting related piece on demons in a recent issue of Crisis Magazine:

http://www.crisismagazine.com/november2003/hoopes.htm

[Grut]

On the other hand, maybe nasty, nocturnal space aliens gave rise to stories about 'demons'.

From what I can remember, "physicist Jacques Vallee" is kind of like "astronomer Emanuel Velikovsky" or "historian Michael Bellesiles."

[Ancesthntr]

And yet, Ross writes, UFOs must be nonphysical, because they disobey the laws of physics. For instance, they may be detected by radar but not seen, or they're seen but not detected by radar. They make impossibly sharp turns and sudden stops, disappear and reappear. They melt asphalt and burn grass without fire or flame.

They have the effect of pre-inebriating at least 90% of those who see them (you know, through time travel).

And then there's the fact that ten times as many UFO sightings occur at 3:00 a.m. than at either 6:00 a.m. or 8:00 p.m. They appear in remote areas far more often than in densely populated ones.

They are reported by drunks, who are oftentimes cheating on their spouses, far more often than not.

[swampfox98]

"must be associated with the activities of demons."

Are you sure Charles didn't mean Democrats instead of demons. Either one gives me the shivers.

[smokinleroy]

My brother and I both saw some kind of UFO when we were kids in rural western PA. I vividly recall hearing a hissing jet-like sound, looking up and seeing this round metal thing moving across the daytime sky. My brother said "That's a flying saucer". It was rotating at maybe 2-3 RPS with flames and/or exhaust coming out of three or four locations around the circumference and leaving an exhaust trail. It appeared to be maybe 50" across and maybe 1000" high. After it was gone, we went and told our father who was working under the car about it. He thought we were joking.

[RightWingAtheist]

[RightWingAtheist]

Bad Astronomy Ping

[VadeRetro]

It seems apparent, says Ross, that UFOs, if there are such things, "must be associated with the activities of demons."

So Hugh Ross of Reasons-to-Believe.org, Old-Earth-Creationist and anti-evolution fruitcake, thinks it "seems apparent" that the small core of unexplained UFO sightings are the activities of demons. Never mind that a lot fewer people report seeing demons than report seeing UFOs. That's odd, as you might expect the cause of UFO sightings to be more common than the sightings themselves. That is, people should see demons once in a while if demons are causing the UFOs.

Suppose, of the paltry few demons sightings that occur, that the same proportion is false--that is, can be explained by other phenomena--as obtained in UFO sightings. One might as well say there are no direct sightings of demons, only their secondary effect, the UFOs. I have never seen a demon, myself. I don't know anyone who has seen a demon. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has seen a demon.

Maybe there's some reason you can't see a demon. After all, you can't see an electron. But in that case we need a reason besides UFOs to infer the existence of demons or the whole thing is pretty empty.

It is at least as likely that a small core of UFO sightings is unexplained because you can't expect to always be able to gather much data about a past event happening with no prior notice at some odd hour in a remote location and witnessed in some cases by only one person.

Ross, as a physicist and astronomer, should be able to reason that out but somehow isn't.

[orionblamblam]

>They melt asphalt and burn grass without fire or flame.

What, you mean like a hydrogen peroxide monoprop rocket engines? No fire, no flame... but melt stuff Real Good. Or how about sunlight focussed through a lens? No fire, no flame... but melts stuff Real Good.

But still... any melted asphalt MUST be the result of broken physics...

> "Only one kind of being favors the dead of night and lonely roads. Only one is real but nonphysical, animate, powerful, deceptive," and "bent on wreaking psychological and physical harm."

Leprechauns? Fairies? Elves?

> "must be associated with the activities of demons."

Ah. Of course.

[Houmatt]

Allow me to put this in its proper perspective:

1) It is the height of arrogance to believe we are the only form of intelligent life in the universe.

2) If you are gonna talk about the Bible, perhaps you should mention the spacecraft seen by Ezekiel.

3) I have seen what could only be described as an unidentified spacecraft, up close, in New Paltz, NY in 1986.

4) So Ross thinks the sightings, the photos, the film footage, the abductions are all the work of demons, hmm? This guy is not much different from Phillip Klass, in that they are both low-grade morons.

[kimmie7]

It seems apparent, says Ross, that UFOs, if there are such things, "must be associated with the activities of demons."

My husband introduced me to this theory, and I must say it does make a great deal of sense. He takes it a step further in his belief that there would be no better way to explain the sudden disappearance of a large number of people (the Rapture) than that they had been 'abducted'.

Very interesting read. Will look forward to reading more. Would you ping me please? TIA

[Quix]

THANKS. MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR POST.

UFO PING LIST PING!

[Quix]

I don't believe that ALL craft are 'merely' demons materializing as craft.

I don't believe that ALL "ET's" are demons in engineered bodies or otherwise.

But I do believe that the bulk of the ET races commonly reported on are either demons in some sort of body or ET's in cahoots with satan and demons.

I doubt seriously that all the ET races are that way. There's even a VERY small amount of UFO reports that seem indistinguishable from Biblical angels.