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Drudge: KERRY RAISES BUSH WAR RECORD... DEVELOPING...
http://drudgereport ^ | 02/02/04 | drudgereport

Posted on 02/02/2004 7:20:02 PM PST by KQQL

KERRY RAISES BUSH WAR RECORD... DEVELOPING...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2004; barnoldfoughttoo; botoxhoney; deserter; gigolo; iraqilacki; janescomrade; ketchup; lurch; nobodycares; quizling; turncoat; verypinko; villifiesamerica
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To: muawiyah
Look, the guy's got baggage in fighting the Cold War. He's got baggage in his post Viet Nam War anti-war activities, and he's got baggage in the way he got into the military ~~ at the time enlistment in the Navy or Air Force was tantamount to draftdodging.

But when it comes to doing what he was supposed to do while in the service, his record looks pretty normal.

Well, I don't know about that.

Three "wounds" that resulted in a grand total of two (2) entire days in Sick Bay resulted in three Purple Hearts which in turn resulted in his request, which was granted, to cut his combat tour by six months.

How many Vietnam vets who did not date Jakie Kennedy's half-sister got that kind of a deal?

Boston Globe, 6/16/2003: .........Along with Kerry's unquestionable and repeated bravery, he also took an action that has received far less notice: He requested and was granted a transfer out of Vietnam six months before his combat tour was slated to end on the grounds that he had earned three Purple Hearts. None of his wounds was disabling; he said one cost him two days of service and the other two did not lead to any absence. .........The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer.

161 posted on 02/02/2004 9:45:37 PM PST by Polybius
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To: KQQL
He will go there..........

Maybe because they want to not answer the questions of his voting record while he was an elected official

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/stock/040131

Is John Kerry the new Democrat Golden Boy? (Part 2: His military voting record)

Barbara Stock January 31, 2004

John Kerry stated that in his first 100 days in office he would increase the military by 40,000 troops. "In the face of grave challenges, our armed forces are spread too thin." This is pompous talk from a man running for president and running from his voting record.

Kerry's desire to deplete the military is a long one. One has to go all the way back to 1972 to find his first plan to take funding from the military and redistribute it to social programs. In his failed race for the Congress, his speeches centered on a simple theme — he promised to vote against all military appropriations. In an interview with Harvard's Crimson he stated that he would "almost eliminate CIA activity and have U.S. troops dispersed throughout the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

Kerry indicated that he felt the war on terror was more a legal problem than a military one. Did convicting some of those who were responsible stop any of the terror attacks leading up to 9/11? "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." Apparently the vision of those jets crashing into the Twin Towers was not imprinted on Senator's Kerry's mind as it was for most Americans. That attack was not just a crime; it was an act of war.

In the 1980's, the Associated Press reported that Kerry sat on the board of the radical liberal group "Jobs with Peace Campaign," whose main objective was to "develop public support for cutting the defense budget."

Senator Kerry voted to reduce the defense spending levels for weapon projects by $8.8 billion in fiscal 1993. (Senate Congressional Resolution 106)

When questioned on defense funding, he said: "I have voted for almost all weapon systems that we have today with few exceptions. Unfortunately, these are people who've never met a system they didn't like. I have." Kerry voted against the B-1 bomber, B-2 stealth bomber, the Apache helicopter, Patriot missile system, the F-15, F-14A, F-14D jets, the AV-8B Harrier jet, and the Trident missile system. He also said he would make sure there were cutbacks to the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the Tomahawk cruise missile, and the F-16 jet. If these are the "unimportant" items he voted against, what on earth were the important ones he did vote for? Even non-military-minded folks easily recognize most of these vital pieces of American technology that helped us to win the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom with swiftness that shocked the world. It's unimaginable that our armed forces wouldn't have these weapons and weapon systems at their disposal. What new weapons would President Kerry block?

The senator believes innovative weapons only encourage other countries to come up with their own. Does he believe our enemies will be idle just because we do nothing? It is typical liberal thinking that if we disarm so will the enemy.

Senator Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, added an amendment to the Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution that would freeze defense spending for seven years and transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training. Kerry Voted Yea (Senate Congressional Resolution 13, CQ Vote #181: Rejected 28-71) If that amendment had passed in 1996, what condition would our military have been in by 2001?

The Senator introduced a bill to slash Department of Defense funding by $6.5 billion. Kerry's draconian bill had no co-sponsors and never came to a floor vote. (Senate 1580, Introduced 2/29/96)

An amendment introduced by Harkin and supported by Kerry was to Senate Bill 2057: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999.

This amendment would have transferred $329 million from the Department of Defense to the Veterans Affairs Department for veteran's health care programs. The transfer would be conducted by the secretary of defense in a manner which ''causes the least significant harm'' to military readiness and to the quality of life of military personnel. While it is imperative to take care of our veterans, making those presently wearing the uniform suffer is not the answer. Many in uniform were already struggling and on food stamps. Taking more from them would have been criminal. The Harkin amendment was defeated.

John Kerry ignored the growing threat to this country. We had had several terrorist attacks including the first attack on the WTC in 1993, but with blinders on, Kerry had one vision-weaken the military, cut the CIA, and use the money for his ever-growing social giveaway programs. His total ignorance of what America would need for defense in the new century is shocking. Kerry had twice placed in the Congressional Record that America had no enemies or threats to her security. Did he ignore the threats or was it that he just didn't care?

As an interesting sideline, Kerry referred twice to the downing of TWA Flight 800 as a terrorist attack. In light of such statements, one has to wonder why he continued his hack-and-slash policies of the very forces that would be called upon to protect us from such attacks.

Kerry wants us to ignore that if he had been successful in his quest, we could very well be in an all out war on American soil. Had we followed his vision, our soldiers would not have the high-tech equipment they have and use so effectively. If bills Senator Kerry supported had passed, our military readiness would be nonexistent. Had John Kerry been in charge, our soldiers would be under U.N. control.

Kerry wants us to remember that he served in Viet Nam and won a Silver Star, although he wants us to forget that he came home and called his fellow soldiers war criminals. He later admitted that he never saw any of the atrocities he testified to in front of Congress. The basis of his testimony — the Jane Fonda sponsored ''Detroit Winter Soldier'' event — has long been questioned and some say many of the ''veterans'' who testified at that event, were not veterans at all. Many Viet Nam vets were outraged at being described as vicious animals.

Kerry can't say his words were twisted or taken out of context. These votes and comments are well documented and demonstrate that John Kerry's newfound love and support of the military is strictly political, phony, and false. He still doesn't see the terrorist threat to this country. On the basis of that alone, Senator Kerry as President Kerry would be a threat to this country.

162 posted on 02/02/2004 9:47:10 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: MJY1288
No it was his son, he was a general in Vietnam.
163 posted on 02/02/2004 9:48:55 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
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During the height of the Cold War, Kerry opposed the entire strategic modernization effort proposed by President Reagan — the Peacekeeper, B-1 and B-2 bombers, the Trident submarine and D-5 missile, opposed the non-strategic modernization of the defense budget as well. and the deployment of the INF missiles in Europe.
Kerry opposed the death penalty until 2002 and the 1991 Gulf War.
Washington Times.

165 posted on 02/02/2004 10:05:23 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Mo1
intersting...
166 posted on 02/02/2004 10:07:25 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
Yep .. and add this into it

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070436/posts?page=14#14

and this


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070436/posts?page=18#18


And I think we have the answer as to why McAuliffe is bringing up a topic that has already been researched and answered

And hmmmmmmmmmmmm wasn't Chris Lehane saying something about why won't Kerry release his tax records?
167 posted on 02/02/2004 10:14:07 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: KQQL
Kerry's cold war record is one of openly supporting communists.... whether he had uniform or not...
168 posted on 02/02/2004 10:14:28 PM PST by JudgemAll
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To: scannell
Are you kidding, he brings up his war record at every whistle stop.

Yes, I was kidding.

169 posted on 02/03/2004 12:45:59 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066746/posts
Is President Bush a Deserter? How the military defines the crime.
Slate ^ | Brendan I. Koerner
There are LINKS in this article to follow, so click on the link and take a gander at Bill Hobbs debunking of this crap.
Was Bush "AWOL"?
Bush 'Desertion' Charge Debunked
The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either
 
 
Debunkers: 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064541/posts
Bush 'Desertion' Charge Debunked
NewsMax ^ | 1/24/04 | Limbacher
...in the months before the 2000 presidential election, the New York Times pretty much demolished this Democratic Party urban legend...
Related thread from Oct. 2000.

170 posted on 02/03/2004 2:31:18 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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To: U S Army EOD
Indiana Air National Guard flew regular runs to Nam and some elements were activated. Otherwise, the Air National Guard and the Army National Guard sat out the war (unless they missed too many meetings, yada, yada, yada)

It's the "missing meeting" part that was far more applicable to the Army National Guard that Kerry is trying to hang on President Bush.

Most Navy guys don't know the difference. Then again, most Navy guys were in the Navy because they were trying to beat the draft. Kerry certainly remembers his ambitions at the time.

171 posted on 02/03/2004 4:14:52 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: KQQL
Backhoe has posted the BEST article on this issue, BOOK MARK IT and use it. Plus other links to other articles.

George Mag: the real Bush military record

172 posted on 02/03/2004 4:36:19 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: MJY1288
I tried to say that be evidently not clearly enough. Thanks.
173 posted on 02/03/2004 6:18:35 AM PST by pfflier
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To: MJY1288
It says General George S. PattonIII. Probably not the same one.
174 posted on 02/03/2004 8:35:31 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: Mo1
Kerry calls on Bush to settle questions on military record

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/034/nation/Kerry_calls_on_Bush_to_settle_questions_on_military_recordP.shtml
175 posted on 02/03/2004 12:44:45 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... I wonder if Kerry will do the same


IMO ... Kerry is just trying to distract the media and press on his own record ... especially that little campaign donation from Johnny Chung


It's an old play from the Clinton Game Book
176 posted on 02/03/2004 1:22:51 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: Mo1
I've been a Marine for 17+ years.
Right now I serve as a Platoon Commander in a USMCR Rifle Company (which just returned from Iraq in August).
We don't usually discuss politics, but this subject hits close to home for us.

On Bush:
Most of the claims being made about his record are nothing more than a lack of understanding, of the language of the military. Those of us who know of these things read the "evidence" that DUers gleefully post, and chuckle at their unfamiliarity with all things military (what a surprise).
There's nothing to the allegations.

On Kerry:
All of my men, and my fellow officers find his record to be very disturbing. Kudos to him for a few moments of valor, BUT...
...he left Vietnam early. That tight crew who served under him on that swiftboat stayed there. Because he was "thrice wounded", he was allowed to leave. All of these wounds were minor, walking wounded wounds. But he went home early anyhow, leaving his men.
AND BEFORE THEY EVEN MADE IT HOME, HE WAS BAD-MOUTHING THEM, LYING ABOUT THEM, CALLING THEM RAPISTS AND MURDERERS, AND BETRAYING THEM BEFORE THE SENATE.

It's this, that we as Marines, find so dishonorable.

-Captain Murphy
177 posted on 02/09/2004 6:21:24 PM PST by OohStinkinRah (FORTES FORTUNA JUVAT)
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To: OohStinkinRah
It's this, that we as Marines, find so dishonorable

You are 100% correct. His words, actions and voting after coming home were so wrong on so many leaves

Thank you for your honorable service and welcome back home. My oldest brother is a Marine, he joined in 72 and retired at the end of 96. He doesn't much talk politics either, but every once in a while he'll speak up and it's not favorable to the Dems

178 posted on 02/09/2004 7:01:07 PM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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