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Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
Insight Magazine ^ | 26 April 2004 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 04/26/2004 7:32:46 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-

looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afterbash; catholiclist; iraq; iraqweapons; kennethrtimmerman; kennethtimmerman; lol; wmd
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To: Lando Lincoln
Bump for a fascinating read.

Sending this to some liberals who don't want to let the facts get in the way of their opinions.
21 posted on 04/26/2004 7:51:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Lando Lincoln
Bump, good article. And I never thought about the "Oil for Food"/WMD connection, but you may very well be right.
22 posted on 04/26/2004 7:52:47 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: MizSterious

That's the thing. The Bush Admin is going along with the "we had bad intel about WMD" line. They have shifted to the "democracy and UN legitimacy" rationale. Wouldnt they be out there making this case if they believed it? What gives?
23 posted on 04/26/2004 7:53:20 AM PDT by Huck (In the Soviet Union, the Admin Moderators ruled.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Wasn't there supposed to be some explosive revelation at a hearing on the oil for food program? I haven't heard anything.

As for the article, yes, Iraq had remnants of WMD programs. Yes, Iraq had many many violations of UN resolutions.

But, the lede of the story makes it sound like lots of WMD have been found and the press is not reporting it. That is just not true.

Very few actual cases of WMD are reported in this article, such as: "Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist."

BIG WHOOP! So they had something with which they could restart their program with. It doesn't prove they had produced WMD's and had them right before or during our invasion.

Furthermore, this article has a lot of "may" and "might" speculations about what things were used for. Yes, they probably were used for weapons, but may or might is not the same as WE CAN PROVE THEY WERE.

I firmly believe Iraq did have them, that our intelligence was correct.

But, I sure as heck won't allow someone to sex up our findings beyond what they are.

They do not support the conclusion that Iraq had WMD's at the time of our arrival and it is A LIE to say otherwise.

That is our finding....at least as of yet. This probably will change as time goes on once we found out where the weapons are hidden.
24 posted on 04/26/2004 7:53:20 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Curious that the map in the article shows Falluja isn't it? You got to wonder why the fighting, might be the reason.
25 posted on 04/26/2004 7:54:20 AM PDT by snooker
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To: Lando Lincoln
"It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free..."

"Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding. "If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent?"

It's obvious to me that the Iraqi military was very neat and clean. Not only did they want themselves flea-free, but the wanted to kill only clean enemies. What's the point of doing something if you don't look great doing it, right?

26 posted on 04/26/2004 7:54:59 AM PDT by rudypoot
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To: 1Old Pro; Mr. Mojo
But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media

As usual the right wing controlled media is waiting to spring this information at a time when it will be most damaging to the liberal DemonRATS.

If you believe that, please call 999-555-1212 for the latest prices on ocean front property for sale in Nebraska.

27 posted on 04/26/2004 7:55:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: Admin Moderator
misleading headline......only "reference strains" found.....nothing significant
28 posted on 04/26/2004 7:56:05 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: counterpunch
I suspect Bush will be doing this shortly before the Democrat Convention.

Or perhaps an October Surprise?

29 posted on 04/26/2004 7:57:30 AM PDT by Born Conservative (It really sucks when your 15 minutes of fame comes AFTER you're gone...)
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To: rwfromkansas; Admin Moderator
Actually, it's the original title on the article--click the link if you don't think so. I thought we were supposed to use the original titles when we post?
30 posted on 04/26/2004 7:59:08 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: rwfromkansas
.... makes it sound like lots of WMD have been found and the press is not reporting it. That is just not true.

What IS true is that the press and rats moved the goal posts....from WMD, to WMD stockpiles, to LARGE WMD stockpiles. No matter what is found, the leftists in the media and the government will never admit they were wrong.
31 posted on 04/26/2004 8:00:33 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: rwfromkansas
It's the original headline from the article. LandoLincoln did not change it in any misleading way.
32 posted on 04/26/2004 8:00:49 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Lando Lincoln
Kenneth Timmerman BUMP!

What We Knew…and Didn't Do
Posted by optimistically_conservative
On 04/17/2004 7:14:38 PM EDT with 13 comments

Reader's Digest ^ | April 13, 2004 | Kenneth Timmerman
In 1997-1998, I became aware of clearly observable warnings of hostile terrorist intentions against America, by Osama bin Laden. For over eighteen months -- as part of an investigation for Reader's Digest -- I had been learning from a variety of former U.S. intelligence officers and foreign sources about a vast, world wide network of Islamist radicals, who had emerged from the U.S.-backed war to drive the Soviet Union from Afghanistan. At their head was the shadowy Saudi renegade, Osama bin Laden, whom his followers referred to as the "Prince of Jihad." What made bin Laden unusual was his background....

Kenneth Timmerman: This Man Wants You Dead [1998 article about Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda]
Posted by Tolik
On 04/20/2004 11:17:11 AM EDT with 13 comments

Reader's Digest ^ | July 1998 | Kenneth Timmerman
In July 1998, Reader's Digest published Kenneth Timmerman's report, "This Man Wants You Dead." Three weeks later -- with more than 200 innocent civilians torn to bits by al-Qaeda bombs in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam -- bin Laden's face was plastered in newspapers around the world.  The notice appeared in an Arabic newspaper in London last February. "The ruling to kill Americans and their allies -- civilians and military is a duty for every Muslim. We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim to kill the Americans." Islamic extremists make outrageous statements every day in the Arabic-language...


33 posted on 04/26/2004 8:01:19 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Lando Lincoln
bump for later read

34 posted on 04/26/2004 8:01:52 AM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: MamaLucci
" What IS true is that the press and rats moved the goal posts"

And so, apparently, have many Freepers.

35 posted on 04/26/2004 8:02:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
The following snippet from the February MTP interview has always intrigued me:

"There is going to be ample time for the American people to assess whether or not I made a — good calls, whether or not I used good judgment, whether or not I made the right decision in removing Saddam Hussein from power, and I look forward to that debate, and I look forward to talking to the American people about why I made the decisions I made."

I think the Oil for Food program, and possibly its relationship to the WMD is the background for this rather bold statement. It sounded then like he knew something that is not generally known (although the Oil for Food scandal was already percollating at the time).
36 posted on 04/26/2004 8:02:47 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Lando Lincoln
Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."

This can be a difficult to use find. Under my kitchen sink are the precursors to chemical agents. There are a lot of duel use chemicals, and unless they are in a useable munitions form they can easily be written off.

At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters - with unpleasant results. "More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent,"

Check the contents of a can of Raid.

Until active military munitions are found, tested positive and given wide access to by the reporters, it will still be reported that “No WMD have been found.

37 posted on 04/26/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: counterpunch
I suspect Bush will be doing this shortly before the Democrat Convention.

And - as close to the convention as possible, leaving no time for the spin can be initiated.
38 posted on 04/26/2004 8:05:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

39 posted on 04/26/2004 8:07:47 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Because Democrats are liars, they assume Republicans are too...)
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To: Lando Lincoln
See also Blast Destroys Iraq Building, Injures GI (Baghdad area, WMD Search?). Be sure to read the Reuters report a little further down in the thread.
40 posted on 04/26/2004 8:08:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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