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Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?
Liberty of the Captives ^ | 06.13.04 | Lisa Ruby

Posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:47 AM PDT by Coleus

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Scientology Doctrine:  Michael Schiavo Removed Terri From Society

Keeping Terri Disabled: Michael's Illegal Pretext to Kill 

Florida Law Vs Scientology Policy

Scientology, The Clearwater Bar Association, and Judge Greer

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Terrisfight.org: A Hidden Agenda

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1 posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:49 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Lisa Ruby; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...


2 posted on 06/23/2004 9:03:46 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

No idea why how Scientology could be linked to this case...Scientology is all about combating pesty invading aliens :-)


3 posted on 06/23/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by The Bandit
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To: Coleus; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

ping.


4 posted on 06/23/2004 10:04:44 AM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il... Never forget. Never Again!)
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To: Coleus; russesjunjee
Greer have had the Scientology MacPherson case a long time ago. Trust me. There's so much corruption in our county that it wouldn't surprise me if they were somehow connected.

When the hammer comes down, hopefully we'll see some major perp walks.

5 posted on 06/23/2004 12:22:30 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)
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To: Coleus
And this... George Felos used his widely known mind control techniques, imo on Michael Schiavo. Doesn't meant HINO wasn't bad to begin with but with mind control, it can only make things worse.

Felos definitely is using cult techniques trying to isolate Terri and to inflict sensory deprivation upon her. She hasn't been outside for THREE YEARS. The nurses have strict instructions re: what objects can be in Terri's room. BIRTHDAY CARDS were taken down by Hospice employees last December 3rd.

Mind control and scientology use the same techniques. Felos openly calls it mind control and scientology just identifies it as positive thinking when you go for their dogma. Felos practices Yoga and does special breathing techniques to forget about all the tubes he's pulled and the sci's use breathing techniques on potential newbies which causes hyperventilation. When you are weak and also dizzy, they can begin to indoctrinate. True, true, true.

I'm sorry that Greta Van Susteren is a scientologist. She has had Terri's family on without Felos however. Felos demanded equal time the next evening. He's awful.

6 posted on 06/23/2004 12:31:07 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)
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To: Lisa Ruby; phenn; KDubRN

Also at odds are how he happened to awaken in the first place. Pinging phenn and KDub to your question.


8 posted on 06/23/2004 3:01:56 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: The Bandit
The Scientology Emotional Tone Scale -- I believe you are kidding, but that's just in case others don't realize it.

The above a link is from Lisa's link http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_doctrine_remove_disabled_from_society.html

9 posted on 06/23/2004 3:10:43 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: cyn

1- heard a thump and got up
2- got up for some reason and then heard a thump
3- was in the process of getting up and heard something

In deposition, Michael was asked about his mum.
Q. Your mother's name is Claire?
A. Clara.
Q. Is that with an "A".
A. Something like that.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT? It's your mother's name, for screaming in a bucket!!

Didn't know the year he got married. Didn't know how long he worked for his present employer. Didn't know how long he lived in Florida and on and on.

When he spoke of Terri's 'wish' to be starved and dehydrated, his statement was NOT:
"We were watching a movie called (title) and the star (name) was in a coma and Terri said "Now, I'm telling you, Michael. I don't want to be sustained on life support for any reason. You dig?"

What he said was:
"We would be watching some programs..." and "Terri said 'No tubes for me'."

Would be watching WHAT???? What the #$%& kind of statement is that? What tubes? Did she refer to a feeding tube specifically? Did she lay everything out for the guy? Was that really a matter of great importance to her? If so, howzcome nobody else on the bloody planet knows? Wouldn't you tell your mum and dad or, at least, your brother/best-friend if something like that crossed your mind and you felt it important?

THESE STATEMENTS are clear and convincing evidence? Why couldn't he, at very least, nail what 'programs' they 'would' be watching?

My head - she's a gonna asplode.

Is there anyone, outside of Judge Greer, who would look on such statements as 'clear' or 'convincing'?

Yes, I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree, but only a slight one. Read the documents and your head gonna asplode as well.


12 posted on 06/23/2004 4:35:44 PM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Lisa Ruby; pc93

Pat Anderson could do kartwheels and it wouldn't matter to Judge Greer. I know Pat's done a lot of motions to have Michael removed as guardian. It's probably within one of those motions re: Michael's conflicting accounts. I don't have any of those motions handy but maybe Juan knows where you could look on line.


13 posted on 06/23/2004 7:20:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)
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To: phenn; floriduh voter; tutstar; amdgmary; Pegita

Hi, phenn -- yeah, it defies all logic how such obvious discrepancies are ignored by Greer et al. I know it makes my head hurt at this distance; how much more for those of you who live there and see this unfolding on your doorstep? How frustrating it must be to be in court to witness this crap, as some here have been.

Anyway, you are all in my thoughts and prayers, that you may have wisdom and discernment and everything that you need to return Terri to her parents where she belongs. May God also work in the hearts and minds of any who are working against Terri and her parents -- that has been a fervent ongoing prayer.


17 posted on 06/23/2004 8:27:19 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: phenn
LOL!
The only other place in the USA one can see people aimlessly wandering around in blue uniforms, without insignia, is just outside of Lackland AFB, TX!
It would be funny, except for the fact that "the media" assigns more gravitas to insane-quasi religious cults, than they do to the "truth".
18 posted on 06/23/2004 8:48:16 PM PDT by sarasmom (Sometimes, I wish liberals had beliefs, so I could desecrate them. (spok))
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To: cyn

>> How frustrating it must be to be in court to witness this crap, as some here have been

I'll tell you what I find the most frustrating. It's that the public is buying this nonsense hook, line and sinker.

I went to one of Mr. Felos's right-to-die seminars last year. August, I think. Certainly before he knew who I was. In any event, I cannot explain how sickening it is to hear someone trying to coo and seduce others into signing away their right to life. I eventually got up and left because I couldn't take it anymore.

Do any of these people believe for a moment that a lawyer is discussing all of this out of the goodness of his/her heart? Can they not see through the facade?

You know what it reminded me of - those MLM seminars a friend suckers you into attending. Carefully placed words and body language can make anything sound like a good idea to the masses. Well, the masses are wrong for accepting this line of thinking.

What we will end up with, if we don't start paying attention, is a medical community that has absolutely no obligation to treat you anymore. We will have a system in which vulnerable people can be absolutely flogged by greedy family members or lawyers. We're half-way there already in Florida.

There was a segment on 60 minutes last night about life support. Yes, some of the patients they were discussing were actively dying and aggressive treatment was probably only causing pain. But not every person who receives life-prolonging treatment is in that boat and not recognizing that is disastrous. I know this from personal experience. It was very creepy to hear some of these doctors relate how they felt that 'letting go' was doing the patient a favor. Beyond creepy, actually.

They had a tiny snip of Terri on the program. How did they describe her? (Everyone say it with me, now) As a "woman in a coma".

That makes the thought of killing her less of a pill to swallow to the masses. It's not so bad, then.

But, you try talking about these things to some Joe on the street and he'll think you're out of your bloody mind. They assume they are better dead than fed and it's because of this right-to-die movement and their sales techniques. These people own the media, in my opinion. They are consumate marketeers.

That is not by accident. George Soros and Robert Woods Johnson, two MASSIVE grant issuing institutions have dedicated tens of millions of dollars to these very ends. Now, instead of some families fighting to keep treatment away from an actively dying patient who is suffering, families have to fight to keep an otherwise healthy person fed.

It's called lowering the bar. It frees up beds, loosens up bank accounts, frees up some organs and dehumanizes each and every one of us in the process. But, hey, it's your 'right', babe.

You have to see it with your own eyes to believe it. But will he masses open their eyes to it? I just don't know anymore.


19 posted on 06/24/2004 4:20:08 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: All

60 Minutes Program on Life Support:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/21/60II/main625201.shtml

There is also a link to video, but I've not checked it out.


20 posted on 06/24/2004 4:28:51 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: phenn; Ohioan from Florida; CindyDawg; Pegita; PrepareToLeave; amdgmary; pc93; FL_engineer
Did I tell you about talking to folks in the Tampa WalMart on my way in to the vigil? One on one, people "get it" when they get their questions answered, and across the board, they wanted Terri to be returned to her family.

The MOST powerful arguement, not surprisingly, is the video of Terri responding as her mother fusses over her as only a mom can. That is something everyone can relate to. As is lighting up when her father teases her or her brother talks about music. Terrisfight has the truth, the most powerful weapon, contained in that videotape.

I have no doubt that Felos et al are working on their agenda day by day. They will work to make even the removal of Terri's teeth play into their scheme.

How best to address that agenda is the question on our minds. Esp. since "These people own the media . . .They are consumate marketeers." -- but we are relying not on our own power or wisdom, but on the Lord, individually seeking God's wisdom and will in this, and then coming together as a group.

21 posted on 06/24/2004 7:23:50 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: phenn; floriduh voter; PrepareToLeave; tutstar
Let me remind you all of the obvious that we have all acknowledged before: this is a spiritual battle in the ongoing war against Satan. I don't understand every detail, but I do know what side I want to be on.
"I know Whom I have believed in,
and am persuaded that He is able
to keep that which I've committed
unto Him against that Day."
"These are the days of Elijah . . . righteousness being restored" -- *these* are the days (it is perception, what saints have known from the first). If that doesn't give one goosebumps and make one want to be very, very sure to be walking close to Jesus and praying for God's true wisdom and guidance day by day, I don't know what will.

How very oppressive it must be in the courtroom! Others have made that observation as well. There is such a heaviness in your area over all. I got it via the telephone just talking to Debra Bushnell's office. How exhausting is, beyond the physical toll.

So ya'll take good care of yourselves, and know that we are keeping Terri, her family, and you all in our prayers -- many of us at 8 and/or 11 am and at all hours of the day and night.

22 posted on 06/24/2004 7:55:47 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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11. . . prayers continue for Terri, her family, and all who support her. I thank God for all who are working for Terri and her family.

May God richly bless us today and in the future with the knowledge, wisdom, and discernment we need to sift through all the information available. May He bring to Terri's fight *everything* Terri's family needs to be victorious over the forces of evil that are arrayed against them. May any who are weary, even exhausted, be refreshed and renewed in Him.

Above all, may we each consider our relationship with our Creator and look for what is pleasing to Him. There truly is no hope in anyone but Jesus. This prayer is for nonbelievers as well as those who believe . . . for God is able, beyond all we can ask or imagine. We cannot know how all this will work out. I just pray for Terri's sake that it will.


23 posted on 06/24/2004 8:03:26 AM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: cyn

I believe the hardest thing is for people to accept this could happen in this country. I had my doubts at first too. It's just so outrageous it is unbelievable. If Terri ever allowed to go to court all this over IMO.


24 posted on 06/24/2004 8:57:30 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Lisa Ruby
If the outcomes of the (two?) lawsuits Pat Anderson has filed on behalf of the Schindlers to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian have been posted, please tell me where this information can be found.

To my knowledge, there has been no outcome to these lawsuits, as they are still pending. Greer hasn't seen fit to put them on the court docket. The closest to an outcome has been is that arguments were issued a week ago, wherein evidence was entered by Pat verbally into the court record that Terri did not lose her teeth due to nonuse, but rather poor hygiene.

Greer IMHO has no interest in removing Michael as guardian, because naming someone else will mean that all that Michael did/did not do will be looked into. Greer will be exposed for what he has allowed to happen to Terri.

25 posted on 06/24/2004 9:39:27 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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You are all right. There's so many reasons why people are reluctant.

First- they've been spoon-fed misinformation from the get-go. It's amazing to me that so many think the mainstream media is telling the truth without ever investigating it on their own. They don't seem to understand that anything (true or untrue) can be published. Everything we read is basically someone's "take" on a situation, sometimes backed up with facts, and sometimes not. You can tell a lot about what someone is saying by understanding what they're not saying as well. Felos and Michael are great examples of this. What they don't say can be just as important (even more so) than what they do say.

Second- so many are just living in this bubble world that trusts what the powers that be say. They can't imagine that this could be happening in our country. But we have been led like sheep to the slaughter. We have been asleep while this has been happening all around us. It's been going on for years, and Terri is just one more stepping stone down the path of the slippery slope.

It's high time we all pay attention to the misdeeds going on around us. We are our brother's keeper. Terri is precious, and I just pray that many more will begin to see how precious she is. People have allowed themselves to be snowed by the media and the seedy likes of Michael and Felos.


28 posted on 06/24/2004 10:29:26 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lisa Ruby

Pat Anderson read into the court record what the dentist would have said regarding the decay of Terri's teeth, that nonuse does not cause decay, as Schiavo's lawyers claim. I don't think she has any access to Terri's dental records other than what she was faxed by Deborah Bushnell, that Terri had 5 teeth extracted recently due to decay. This was done to Terri during the period of time when her family was not allowed to visit her.


33 posted on 06/24/2004 12:17:59 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: CindyDawg; Lisa Ruby
I agree, CD. Reminds me of this.

It is my hope and prayer that all information, all debate leads to positive action and the ultimate release of Terri to her family. Prayers continue for all involved in this tough battle. Those of us at a distance cannot imagine how tough it is to be there.

Thanks for your work-in-progress on scientology, Lisa. I'd read some scary stuff on it a while back esp. in relation to their disregard for any not deemed up to their standards. I'm too tired to look up the links right now, but may try to post later.

I am more grateful than ever for the preparatory work on the scene before the vigil began. Freegards to all.

34 posted on 06/24/2004 4:21:20 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: cyn; Ohioan from Florida; tutstar; trustandobey
And pray for the campaign of Jan Govan for Circuit Court Judge. We need to unite to defeat George Greer. This is KEY to Terri and other's future, not because Jan Govan would get her case but GREER WOULD BE OUSTED...

I cannot stress enough the importance of helping Jan Govan beat George Greer on August 31, 2003. If freepers can't vote in the election, they can help in other ways. LET'S GET TO IT.

37 posted on 06/24/2004 6:43:54 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)
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To: cyn

This scientology thread is counter-productive. I'm putting new "news" over at the Terri Dailies Thread. It's something of interest for July.


39 posted on 06/24/2004 7:25:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter (http:// www.conservative-spirit.org (FV) http://www.jangovan.com/ to Defeat Greer)
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I am naming Ohioan as the recipient for posts to everyone because I must have a recipient in order to post.

Not true.

42 posted on 06/24/2004 9:35:16 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Lisa Ruby

See post #42.


43 posted on 06/24/2004 9:35:56 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Lisa Ruby
Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering -- Interesting, from one of your links. I'd read the info on fair gaming a while back -- it is chilling stuff.

Might the "counterproductive" comment be to get other newly out topics back on the daily thread, as you'd requested above?

48 posted on 06/25/2004 3:41:23 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: Lisa Ruby
"it defies all [human] logic. . ."

These evil and depraved goings on DO defy human logic & are incomprehensible to most ordinary people, those in Bob Barr's "real America", if you will.

But then scientologists are not human, are they . . . ;o)

49 posted on 06/25/2004 3:51:54 PM PDT by cyn (Continued prayers for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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