Bad move on sKerry's part.
Posted on 08/05/2004 4:27:59 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Human Events reports that the DNC and the Kerry campaign are writing to television stations, stating that the Swift Boat ads is is "false" and "libelous" and that "your station may not responsibly air this advertisement."
At least one of their points in the letter is an obvious lie: "The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator John Kerry's SWIFT [sic] boat in Vietnam and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries."
Horsepucky.
Every vet in the ad says, "I served with John Kerry," but not one of them claims to have been in his boat. Most of the men are other swiftboat captains. They've been open and clear in their statements that they served in other swift boats operating within 50 yards on Kerry's side, and their statements are their observations on serving alongside him, not under him.
NR's own Byron York had the scoop on Louis Letson, the doctor, months ago. The Kerry letter insists that Letson is a "phony" because he didn't sign Kerry's sick call sheet.
The Los Angeles Times looked at the who-signed-the-form controversy back in May:
"Meehan questioned Letson's role, saying a J.C. Carreon signed Kerry's medical report of the wound. "This gentleman is not the man who is on the report," he said.
Letson said that Carreon, a lower-ranked "hospitalman," was "present at the time and he, in fact, made the entry into Lt. Kerry's medical record."
Bad move, Team Kerry. The letter from the lawyers turns this into a bigger story, and the argument that these men are "phony" doesn't seem all that strong.
There are nine year olds in East LA that have been shot at more times than Kerry ever was during his four months in Vietnam. That doesn't mean they're qualified to be President.
Ah ... I'm really not looking forward to disliking anyone more than hated Clinton.
>> Letson said that Carreon, a lower-ranked "hospitalman," was "present at the time and he, in fact, made the entry into Lt. Kerry's medical record."
When I was in the Navy, during the Vietnam War and afterward, Hospital Corpsmen routinely made entries into medical records.
My fellow pugetopolis resident,
hopefully the strenuous denials by the Kerry kooks will draw the MSM to investigate. One can only hope. Hugh Hewitt is all over this.
I will say this - the Swifites better have their t's crossed and their i's dotted. If this turns out to be overhyped or false to any degree, Bush will suffer bigtime. To be honest, the way Kerry was flailing around lately, I'd rather this didn't come out at this juncture. Kerry was going down anyway, this might actually backfire and help him.
EVEN IF THE VETS ARE TAKING SOME LIBERTY WITH THE TRUTH WHICH I DOUBT, ITS OK FOR MICHAEL MOORE TO SPEW REAL BS AND GET AWARDS AND BE THE DARLING OF THE LEFT, BUT THE TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T IT?
Kerry is hinting at lawsuits to ALL who air this ad. This is intimidation usually slimly lawyers - so typical of liberals - stifle opinions and views legally. Hate crimes are another example of stifling opinions, beliefs and demanding tolerance while working on acceptance.
Let's see who backs off.
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I was impressed by the GM of a station in Wisconsin who called the Hannity show today to say they were running the ad and felt very confident Kerry made a mistake challenging the ad since it came with extensive affidavits and support documents.
Well to be fair, some of those 9 year olds are probably better with small arms than Kerry is so they are marginally better qualified.
Kerry's people will simply say that 'served with' means 'on his boat.'
The fact that they've been caught blatantly lying, in the process, certainly isn't going to play well in Boise, either. :)
Bad move on sKerry's part.
It could, but I doubt it. Not only that, but as one of the vets in the ads said, they've paid for the right to air this with blood. That's something very few of us can claim (including me).
It certainly takes the heat off the stations. How many TV stations see commercials that come with affidavits? Kerry's toast.
Clinton lied for 8 years plus and won 2 elections. Our knowledge and the public perceptions are 2 different things. People hear that Kerry's war service is being trashed, McCain is angry, Bush dirty trick, etc. I agree with Krauthammer - nothing good for the GOP/Bush will come out of this.
Democrats are censors at heart. Absolute proof of that is that they alway accuse Republicans of it. Their accusations ALWAYS reflect their own hearts.
sKerry may paint himself into an uncomfy corner here. If he tries to claim that Carreon, who was not a physician, was the one who treated him, that invalidates his first Purple Heart. Per military regulations, a Purple Heart requires that a non-lethal wound received from combat action with the enemy must be receive medical treatment, and such treatment is deemed to be that supplied by a physician, not a medic or hospital corpsman. Add sKerry's claim that a corpmen provided his medical treatment (removal of a superficial splinter, followed by application of antibacterial ointment and a bandaid) to the fact that there was no enemy action during his patrol (firing a grenade launcher onto rocks on shores does not qualify as enemy action) gives a total of two reasons for his first Purple Heart to be an invalid one.
We need to be able to see the 60+ pages of documentation that the vets sent along with the ad.
swiftvets.com is down, checkoout swiftvets.org - wha???
Leave Rosie O'Donnell out of this.
So, if I understand this correctly, John Kerry is the only person to have server honorably in Viet Nam?
Everybody else that server is a Bush goon.
I need to study more. I just can't catch on to this liberal cognitive dissonance thing..
Actually the letter (probably written by Kerry himself) got this right. SWIFT is an acronym. --I've forgotten for what exactly.
Rush is right, sit back and enjoy.
Now we know why sKerry wanted Edwards on the team. He is first in line to sue everyone.
People are already hearing that the Kerry response to the Swift Boat Vets is an outright lie. (Click onto the headline at Drudge right now, for instance, and see where that takes you. Look like something you'd imagine Kerry/Edwards want folks seeing...?) :)
I agree with Krauthammer - nothing good for the GOP/Bush will come out of this.
... whereas I agree with Rush (whose track record as an oracle is considerably better than Charles'): this is Kerry's latest self-inflicted wound.
You may be correct. I thought that the stuff on Clinton would stick but it didn't, just made him more popular.
Say goodnight, you disgusting, lying, dishonorable, traitorous POS who turned on his comrades and caused brave Americans to die and be tortured. You are EFFING finished EFFING Kerry!
I'm not sure your correct..... the democrats where successful with that commercials that killed Bush's chances with blacks.
At least I hope you (or Charles) are not correct....
I'd like someone to stick a fork in him once...
I originally thought that this ad was good. I have to say I am REALLY worried about the fallout on our side since the Dims are the best liars/spinners/smear merchants around. Does this worry anybody else? Krauthammer, Hume, O'Reilly, etc are all thinking this is going to make Bush/repubs look bad.
I just hope Bush doesn't get tarred with this...
Public person. Public Interest. Under the NY Times v. Sullivan test, it would be very tough for Kerry to prevail in a lawsuit, and the trial would do more harm than good. This smacks of "prior restraint". The DEMS are out-Ashcrofting Ashcroft if they go down this road.
Rats are now threatening to sue TV stations (because of the viet-vets against Kerry)? (Rats can dish it out but can't take it-lolol! Kerry GOONS can't handle it-lolol!)
We should threaten to sue all the stations that play the move-on dot.ogre adds!
Yeah, some (perhaps many) in the media will attempt to "spin" all this (somehow) into a plus for TerAYza's Pool Boy. And...? So...? You have a compuer; you're online, and you have the facts. Cowboy up, and help get the word out.
It's no longer "enough," in these days of blatant liberal media bias, simply to sit back and hope our "masters" at the alphabet networks feel like doing the right thing on our collective behalf, just this once. The vast majority of people now get more of their news and info from online sources than they do the television evening news. That works in our favor as much as it does anyone else's. :)
See post 9... The ads arrived at the stations with sworn affadavits and documentation. I'm assuming that these guys saw this coming and were prepared.
Clinton was an aberation, in every sense of the word. The things he got away with would have sunk anyone else's career.
Combine this with the fact that it FINALLY is beginning to sink in to the moderate crowd that the media is not unbiased, so they will have to seek out the truth from other places rather than relying on Rather & Co. and they will believe it when they see it.
See: Fox News (only a blip on the charts in 2000)
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX.
Another site hosting the ad
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
I can't believe some of the defeatist WHINING I'm hearing about this ad! One minute, we're complaining about how we wish our side would do the same thing those slimes at MoveOn.org would do. We do that and now some are crying about this possibly backfiring?
Face it, people! The media, the DemocRATS and the other leftist shills are going to cry like babies no matter what! We can create the most positive, uplifting ad around and those sycophantic, anti-Bush Kool-aid GUZZLERS will find fault with that! There is no pleasing these RATS and it is high time our side grew a SPINE and start serving up the TRUTH, raw and in-their-face! They can't complain about being mean-spirited; that's all their whole campaign is based on!
Enough of this whining, for goodness sake! So what if some of our people don't like this ad! Do you? I'm tired of every time the media says "Boo!", we are running like scared chickens! They don't like us and they never will until we drink the same mindnumbing swill that they guzzle down!
DEAL WITH IT!
I am sick of being told we can't fight back. The Democrats can call Bush all sorts of foul names but we are not allowed to question Kerry on anything. MM and Whoopi Goldberg can call Bush a liar and every name in the book but we can't say a word about Kerry. No wonder Bush can't pull ahead. He's always on the defensive. I say that the Swift Boat Vets should play their message loud and often. It's time we fight back.
Correction: Not the same LYING AND MISREPRESENTATING that the slimes at MoveOn.org do but to organize, set up and run ads like them.
Okay, carry on!
I AGREE.
This is very odd because McCain used the same exact misrepresentation of "on". Kerry and McCain are speaking from the same contrived page, he has his assignment.
"I deplore this kind of politics,” McCain said. “I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded.
Traitor to his party working for traitor to his country.
YES! Exactly!
Evidently John Fn Kerry thinks that SWIFT is an acronym for "So What, I Fought Too."
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Jamais reculez á tyrannie un pouce!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! Never give an inch to tyranny!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Bottom line: If what the swifties say is true, then Kerry is toast. IF they are lying, it will hurt Bush.
The "Christmas '68" episode that Hugh Hewitt read today from the Unfit to Serve transcript will crush horseface, if true. Apparently Kerry, on the Senate floor in 1986, re-lived his "illegal incursion into Cambodia" on Christmas of 1968, secretly ordered there by Nixon. Only problem, Nixon wasn't inaugurated until Jan 20, 1969, and Kerry was in his barracks with everyone else that day, 50 miles from the Cambodian border.
Kerry's sympathetic biographer left this whopper out of his book. If this is true, and it can easily be verified, then all of Kerry's self proclaimed "heroics" need to be examined.
In another thread, it was said that these boats had 6-man crews. They had more people than that lined up at the Democrat convention. Therefore 'served with' by necessity means more than 'on his boat,' in their own usage of their rhetoric.
Sad, but true.
Bingo.
This "oh, deary deary dear" fretting and wringing of hands over the possibility that someone, somewhere may actually give us a real mean, hard look is a great way to win elections... for the other guy.
We're fighting a slavishly liberal-compliant mass media, and subhuman propagandists (Michael Moore, etc.) of every stripe and hue. Defeat in '04 means an immediate return to Clinton-era taxes, an extremist Supreme Court for the next quarter-century, and our complete and -- oh, yeah -- unconditional surrender in the War On Terror, as well.
This isn't France, and FReepers don't roll over and offer their bellies to the enemy. We only have twelve weeks left in which to save this country -- IS IT WORTH IT, OR ISN'T IT -- ?
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