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V A N I T Y -- The reason those vets are behind sKerry
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| 8/6/2004
| The pea-sized brain od Trident/Delta
Posted on 08/06/2004 8:13:10 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
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Semper Fi!!
To: Trident/Delta
Actually, I've wondered for a while about a slightly different scenario...
As we know Kerry has claimed that he and most soldiers/sailors in Vietnam committed atrocities.
Well, one of the most powerful tricks your mind does to protect itself from a reality you don't want to deal with is projection. So perhaps, unlike the vast majority of our military, Kerry *did* commit war crimes as he has claimed. Kerry can't deal with what he does so he starts claiming all vets have done the same sort of things. Perhaps he and those on stage with him committed these crimes together.
It gives a powerful reason for why Kerry betrayed his comrades when he came back calling them rampaging mongols and why a small group continues to defend him.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:21:18 PM PDT
by
swilhelm73
(When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, his son murdered 2,000 people in the Abu Gharib prison in *one* day.)
To: Trident/Delta
Interesting hypothesis. I suspect these people have been worked over in numerous ways for years now, but Kerry and his staffers.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:23:13 PM PDT
by
unspun
(RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
To: swilhelm73
It is possible, but he would have had to do a whole lot in 4 months.
Semper Fi
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:23:14 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: Trident/Delta
OT
Pres. Bush is fishing. OLN
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:24:17 PM PDT
by
MamaB
(mom to an angel)
To: unspun
I agree, I am also somewhat confused about how the libs, who are so anti-military, could embrace this the way they are.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:24:55 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: swilhelm73
I saw a very powerful episode of Law & Order based on these premises. There was a squad of soldiers who had supposedly burned down a village or otherwise committed an atrocity. They all got some kind of high-level medal for courage in the firefight. (Remember, the VC liked to hide in villages, so it's not like they just went and smoked this village because they had nothing better to do on a Friday night.) One of the recipients was about to "go public" about what happened, and he was killed by another.
Granted, it was a TV show, but the scenario seemed entirely plausible. If I was a Swift Boat guy who is on either side of this, I'd be doubling up my life insurance premiums about now.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:25:45 PM PDT
by
cincy29
(the most dangerous place in America is to stand between a Democrat and a TV camera.)
To: Trident/Delta
I saw that post too. There were several from RiverRat in that thread. Somewhat understandable, but in this situation, men of good conscience need to stand up.
Between the Boston papers, Bill O'Reilly(I will never forgive him) and Susan Estrich(please please GO AWAY!) the swiftboatvets need to get on the offense.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:26:24 PM PDT
by
ishabibble
((Terry Kerry's biggest fan))
To: Trident/Delta
There are lots of little questions like yours. They did get a lot of medals - Bronze Stars with V, Navy Commendation medals with V etc....
I'd like to see their service records.
I'd like to see whose payroll they are on right now.
Sometimes and OIC can do other little favors. They only did 18 patrols in 48 days. Most patrols are less than 24 hours. Sometimes when a boat would go out on it's own, they probably didn't really patrol. They went out to take 8MM movies and smoke some pot. The crew would love that.
Also I gather as Kerry was leaving, his crew complained about being left behind and he got them transferred.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:27:08 PM PDT
by
ProudVet77
(So many questions - so few answers)
To: cincy29
It is difficult to understand the motivations if all of this is just from their embarrasment.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:28:04 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: Trident/Delta
All it would take would be one incident...
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:28:11 PM PDT
by
swilhelm73
(When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, his son murdered 2,000 people in the Abu Gharib prison in *one* day.)
To: Trident/Delta
Only their psychoanalysts know for sure.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:28:38 PM PDT
by
keats5
To: ishabibble
OREilly is going RAt on us.
He's interviewing Ben Affleck now.
Letting him get away with all the rat talking points about the economy, claiming he's an independent, BS.
I'm gonna have to log off tonight.
getting too pissed off.
snot
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:31:27 PM PDT
by
ottersnot
(Kill a commie for your mommie, Visualize getting off your' liberal ass and getting a job)
To: swilhelm73
Maybe it happened.....and sKerry got a Bronze star for it (shooting a teenager in the back). I always thought his story sounded fishy. RPG's ARE NOT easily reloaded. In the story I heard, the kid fired the RPG got up and ran, sKerry ran after and shot the kid in the back. I don't dispute the shooting, but to someone so "sensitive" as sKerry, maybe getting the medals DID cause a psychosis of somekind. Either way, he is unfit to command.
Semper Fi
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:33:28 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: Trident/Delta
One other thing bothers me.
That Green Beret Kerry risked his life to save and get the Bronze Star. Most (if not all) PCFs hard cargo nets draped over their bows. If a man is in the water and not injured all that is required is to bring the bow to him, let him hook his arm through the cargo net and get the hell out of there. No reason to stop the boat and haul him out of the water while under fire.
This is actually supported by reports from the crews of other boats on the scene that said there was no enemy fire at that time.
Someone else (the GB?) claims that Kerry was shot. Kerry was NEVER hit by a bullet.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:35:07 PM PDT
by
ProudVet77
(So many questions - so few answers)
To: ProudVet77
I am very confused why sKerry himself jumped in the drink. That was an extremely reckless thing for s skipper to do. This really stinks.
Semper Odiferous
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:49:33 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: All
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:51:28 PM PDT
by
Trident/Delta
("Veni..Vedi..Velcro... I came, I saw, I stuck around......")
To: swilhelm73
To: Trident/Delta
There may be something to the "shared atrocity" theory.
To: ProudVet77
Someone else (the GB?) claims that Kerry was shot. Kerry was NEVER hit by a bullet. I think Kerry is the liar. I'll say it to anyone.
He's hiding his military records from us. That tells me all I need to know.
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posted on
08/06/2004 8:56:22 PM PDT
by
concerned about politics
( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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