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Pittsburgh Using Fines to Boost Recycling
AP @ Yahoo ^ | 08/07/04 | DAN NEPHIN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/07/2004 10:33:55 AM PDT by Josh in PA

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To: Muzzle_em

The motive is federal dollars. The feds pay the municipalities to set up the system with a build it and they will come attitude. The economics never came but the towns are hooked on the cash and can't let it go now.


21 posted on 08/07/2004 11:13:55 AM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: Josh in PA
Government FORCING citizens to do something they don't want to.

Costa said failing to recycle costs the city money. It's paid $11 a ton for glass, cans and plastics and $30 a ton for newspaper, Costa said. Statewide, the average cost to take municipal trash to a landfill is about $57 per ton, according to the state Department of Environmental Protection.

And for the money to boot!

22 posted on 08/07/2004 11:15:57 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Josh in PA
"If I find a recyclable item in your bag, I leave you with a warning subject to a $600 (maximum) fine," he said. Likewise, if he finds trash in recycling.

"I run a very tight program. I'm an ex-Marine and I run this like it was Parris Island," Hejmanowski said.

Oh, it would be soooooooo fun to mess with this guy. I'd be calling their office 10, 15 times a day asking how my trash should be "categorized":

"Hello? Yeah, I got this ad in the mail and it's on cardstock and I don't know if it's recyclable...should I throw it away or put it in with the newsprint?"

"Yeah, is a Wendy's hamburger wrapper recyclable, and is it metal or paper?"

"Yo, me again--do you guys want used paper towels in with newspapers?"

23 posted on 08/07/2004 11:16:37 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Muzzle_em

Out of desperation one of our local towns responded to the reality that all the recyclables were going into the landfill by announcing a new project which gave cash grants and tax goodies to corporations who would build on sites where they would use crushed glass as fill base for the buildings, like crushed stone. The municipality filled in every industrial zoned site with crushed glass as fill and drove bulldozers over it 24/7 to compact it. Of the one site I know of that did build, they dug a huge pit and rebulldozed all the glass into a hole, brought in crushed stone to build, and took the grant/seed money and tax goodie incentive and set up shop. They then closed the location and moved to Minnesota who was giving them a better tax break and incentives, leaving about 50 workers unemployed. They kept the cash though.


24 posted on 08/07/2004 11:22:35 AM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: Josh in PA

The beatings will continue until morale improves!


25 posted on 08/07/2004 11:24:23 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (The glass is neither half full, nor half empty. It's twice as large as it needs to be.)
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To: Josh in PA

If recycling paid, there would be private companies going door to door asking for your cans, bottles and newspapers.

The only items I recycle are copper and sterling. There's a recycler who actually pays me money for it.


26 posted on 08/07/2004 11:40:14 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: dcam

Recycling costs money. For example, one town near me spent $750,000 to run their recycling program. The program generated $250,000 in revenue. Course, that would make perfect sense to your average Green. Most of the stuff that gets recycled these days, ends up in landfills, because that's the least expensive way to dispose of it.


27 posted on 08/07/2004 11:42:27 AM PDT by kylaka (The Clintons are only worthy of contempt, and maybe a little stray spit..)
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To: dcam

"Trust me, it's not that bad once you get used to it."

Here they provided a blue can for recyclables - No problem using it at all...

" It saves money too."

I would bet that the only money it saves is a tiny portion of the money needed to buy a new dumpsite.

BTW, anyone know why plastic bags are NOT recyclable ?


28 posted on 08/07/2004 11:44:20 AM PDT by RS (Just because they're out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Josh in PA

I lived in Pgh for a year or so.

When I was there it was fine. Now it has reverted to the sad little place where little guys in caps and buicks cut in front of you on left turns and stop when they get on the freeway onramp.


29 posted on 08/07/2004 11:45:06 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: Dog Gone
This is Allegheny County. The City of Pittsburgh (inside Allegheny) is almost bankrupt. Mayor Murphy has run the city into the ground. People are leaving the county in droves to nearby butler and washington counties (in essence, the tax base is fleeing). The city is so messed up now, you have to pay the city $125.00 a year to work in and around it(<--I think that's the number now, thye just raised it). Plus, parking tolls are going through the roof. Murphy closed down quite a few shops in order to get large retailers into the downtown area. Many of those retailers have closed shop. After normal business hours, downtown is a ghost town. You have Station Square, and the strip, but the city itself is somewhat barren.

This latest stunt with recycling is no suprise to me. The mayor is doing anything he can to tax and fine the city out of near bankruptcy. Only problem, they won't cut spending where it needs to be cut.

30 posted on 08/07/2004 11:46:47 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: sergeantdave
The idea was to make everyone recycle as to establish a steady, dependable, supply source for it to become a commodity. The thought was that private industry needed a reliable supply before recycling could integrate into the landscape of business complexity. Such supplies were never wanted in the first place.

Imagine the first lawsuit because perchloride from plastic bottles was combined with other plastics and used for food packaging or plastic plates?

31 posted on 08/07/2004 11:53:09 AM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: Josh in PA
I'm an ex-Marine and I run this like it was Parris Island," Hejmanowski said.

Isn't there some kind of unwritten law that forbids former marines from referring to themselves as EX-marines?

32 posted on 08/07/2004 11:58:45 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Michael Barnes

No doubt a large hole in the budget was left by Ter-RAY-za pulling out her philanthropic cash. A lot of people in Pittsburgh detest that woman.


33 posted on 08/07/2004 11:59:58 AM PDT by plangent
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To: Professional Engineer

That which is not prohibited is cumpulsory!


34 posted on 08/07/2004 12:01:20 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Michael Barnes
I went to Pittsburgh for a business convention about four years ago. It was a lot smaller than I expected, although it seemed attractive enough.

But there was absolutely nothing I could find to do downtown after dark except to watch tv in my hotel room.

35 posted on 08/07/2004 12:03:00 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: blackdog

Yeah, that is exactly my feeling about it. Recycling aluminum makes economic sense. Recycling everything else is just liberals making themselves believe that they're "saving the planet". Seems like the sooner we implement policies that have their basis in reality, the better off we'll be.


36 posted on 08/07/2004 12:04:23 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Josh in PA; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ..
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I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
37 posted on 08/07/2004 12:05:06 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: John Jorsett
Conveniently leaving out the costs of collecting and processing

Fines can make up some of the difference. What's next, fines for not viewing propaganda movies such as Fahrenheit 911?

38 posted on 08/07/2004 12:09:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Dog Gone
there was absolutely nothing I could find to do downtown after dark

Once you get to know the town you will find a considerable nightlife, even downtown. For casual visitors, yes, it is quiet after dark.

39 posted on 08/07/2004 12:15:45 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RS
BTW, anyone know why plastic bags are NOT recyclable ?

I asked that very question to my city recycling program manager. He and the company that actually collects the stuff, gave me the, IMHO, lame answer of, "nobody wants to put groceries in a used bag". What dopes.

I suspect since the bags are not stuff, firm, can be processed mechanically items, that nobody wants to deal with them.

40 posted on 08/07/2004 12:19:30 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (The glass is neither half full, nor half empty. It's twice as large as it needs to be.)
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