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Kerry's Cambodia Claims Scrutinized (On Drudge)
Foxnews.com ^ | August 10, 2004

Posted on 08/10/2004 9:31:59 AM PDT by cyncooper

WASHINGTON — Part of John Kerry's (search) strategy in his White House bid is to play up his military service in Vietnam, but a group of veterans is challenging the Democratic presidential nominee's story.

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In an Oct. 14, 1979, letter to the editor of the Boston Herald, Kerry wrote: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian borde being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

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To: cyncooper

John Kerry first getting delusions of granduer.

He's the doofus on the left.

51 posted on 08/10/2004 6:02:07 PM PDT by dancusa (Kerry is a phoney and a poseur)
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To: cyncooper

Make that "was". They ar eno longer among the living, Discussionally speaking.


52 posted on 08/10/2004 6:41:39 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Liberals - The Other White Meat.)
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To: cyncooper
The hat story rings true.
53 posted on 08/10/2004 7:28:39 PM PDT by Cadet Happy
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To: cyncooper

Now the truth can be told: Theresa was the CIA spook Kerry ferried to Cambodia for Christmas.

(just joking...maybe...)


54 posted on 08/10/2004 7:31:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Tacis
The 'seared--seared' line of Kerry's that's in the Congressional record is my personal favorite. He's so darned melodramatic...


55 posted on 08/10/2004 9:04:29 PM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: Condor51

"Drat, drat and double drat. You've figured out that Kerry was really a secret agent!"

But for which side?


56 posted on 08/10/2004 9:58:11 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: S.O.L.; backhoe; Peach; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Shermy

"I do not believe the quote above is from a letter to the editor. Rather, it is from a October 14, 1979 Boston Herald movie review of "Apocalypse Now' written by John Kerry. I just today got a copy of it which I have passed on to Swift Vets. The actual verbatim words are: "On more than one occasion, I like Martin Sheen in "Apocalypse Now," took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Is there any way that you can scan this and post it as thread on Free Republic. Then we will have documentation on the FR server and can store it on our hard disks.

This is even better than a letter to the editor.

A freeper has a great graphic art showing John John's Swift Boat sailing into one to the scenes of "Apocalypse Now".

This is great and thanks. Please ping me if you can scan this letter and post it here.


57 posted on 08/10/2004 11:00:19 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: dancusa

He's WHICH doofus on the Left? They're ALL doofusses on the Left. Please be more specific, thank you.


58 posted on 08/10/2004 11:00:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
I don't know of any small arms that are capable of shooting a round five miles. A tank round doesn't travel 5 miles. Only heavy artillery will travel that far.

I had the same thought yesterday, before I had heard about his "CIA hat-buddy" and posted the following.

Can't even make a joke around here, without the Dims trying to steal it, and call it the truth!
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Since my understanding is that these boats operated in close-support groups, how is it the Kerry's boat was five miles(!) inside Cambodia, yet NO other boats were nearby?

Is Kerry the only boat commander who was hand-picked to make a "stealth CIA run" into Cambodia, to check reports our Vietnamese allies secretly had rifles with a five mile range in the jungle? And a sighting system to match!

It had to take place then or never, since Christmas Eve & Christmas is the only time they would be drunk enough to let the cat out of the bag.

The answer must have been affirmative on all counts, since he did report the "drunken VN allies" were shooting AT him. Not 'at' his boat; at HIM! They must have been trying to prevent him from reporting back.

Unfortunately, even when confronted with this evidence that we KNEW they had them, we were seemingly never able to get them to share those 'super rifles' with us.

No wonder this is "seared into his brain". It was so traumatic that it made him...it would anyone, dontchya know...mix up who was President and who was only President-Elect.

Yeah, that's it! That HAS to be it. See? There IS a rational explanation...
59 posted on 08/10/2004 11:16:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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bump


60 posted on 08/11/2004 1:00:47 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: daviddennis
Wasn't one of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth one of his gunners who served in his boat? I could have sworn I remembered this.

See this transcript: Steve Gardner (gunner ON Kerry's boat) on Michael Savage's radio show, 8/6/2004:

transcript

61 posted on 08/11/2004 5:03:20 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: NonValueAdded
I can scan Kerry's 10/14/79 Apocalypse Now movie review, but I do not know how to post it. Do I need a webpage/server to host the file? Send me a private reply with instrucdtions how to do it.

BTW, from '69 - 70 I served with the First of the Ninth which is the helicopter unit spoofed in Apocalypse Now

62 posted on 08/11/2004 5:32:21 AM PDT by S.O.L.
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To: Monti Cello
Uh, no offense but my post was SARCASM.

I don't know how old - or young you are, but my 'blockquote' about 'Secret Agent' Kerry was from the 60's-70's TV show, Mission Impossible, starring Peter Graves (among others). I was mocking Kerry.

btw, only an idiot or a dem - oops, same thing, would believe Kerry was in Cambodia in '68.

Not that we didn't have re-con and other type missions in there, but they were all by SF (& CIA) and all HIGHLY secret at the time. 'We' were also in Laos too, both technically illegal, but hey it was a War and that's where 'charlie' was. In any case, KERRY wasn't there, period.

63 posted on 08/11/2004 5:45:44 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: cyncooper

But when presented with a copy of the Congressional Record and asked about Kerry's letter in the Boston Herald, the campaign said it would come up with an explanation.

Now that statement is funny. It shows the distain that this candidate has for the little people.

The Englsh had such an attitude about the colonists. When the private letters from Governor Hutchison found their way into the hands of Dr. Franklin and were published in America, the English were outraged that the colonists published them, disregarding the contents completely.

Thus we see the treatment of the swifties.


64 posted on 08/11/2004 5:46:22 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: L`enn
It seems some of you guys are taking my post series! C'mon I was mocking Kerry.

Hint - the 'blockquote' is from the 60's-70's TV show Mission Impossible, starring Peter Graves.

65 posted on 08/11/2004 5:55:09 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: kaehurowing
Ahhhhhhh, at least you saw I was being sarcastic. Some took my post series.

Oh, as to your question -- the "OTHER SIDE", as his little group was being funded by KGB & Chicom front orgs.

66 posted on 08/11/2004 6:04:24 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: cyncooper; daviddennis; Tacis; Steven W.; mewzilla; freddiedavis; Dustbunny; crv16; pepperhead; ...

Last night on Fox tv I heard Carl Cameron read from this 1979 letter to the editor of the Boston Herald.

It is more explicit than even some of his other renditions of his "Christmas in Cambodia" tale and of course contains more fodder he should be confronted with.

So we basically have three versions of "Christmas in Cambodia" to go on (someone needs to find music and lyrics to go with that title): The 1979 letter to the editor of the Boston Herald, the 1986 speech inserted into the Congressional Record, and wackiest of all the "Lucky Hat" reference as told to Laura Blumenfeld of the WaPo of 1/06/03.

The "Lucky Hat" version is the nuttiest by far as it has our hero escorting a CIA operative on a secret mission far into Cambodia. This thread is the first one to make mention of it, and were we discussing anyone else I would think it preposterous, but does this in fact kinda, sorta resemble the plot of a certain movie starring Martin Sheen and the late Marlon Brando? Now, I realize that at this stage of the game, accusing John Forbes Kerry of telling tall tales is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500, but the thought that this man, this presidential aspirant, cribbed from the plot of Apocalypse Now in order to impress a reporter is unsettling at best.

And who is he, really?

A close associate hints: There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase. He carries the black attaché everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

"Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

"My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead. His blue button-down shirt and tie clashed with the camouflage. He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun. He looked silly, yet suddenly his campaign message was clear: Citizen-soldier. Linking patriotism to public service. It wasn't complex after all; it was Kerry.

He smiled and aimed his finger: "Pow."

Its too bad that actor/raconteur Spalding Grey (Swimming to Cambodia) is deceased, lord only knows what kind of hilarious one-man routine he could have put together from this material but to be honest guys, I don't know about you but I'm getting genuinely frightened here.

67 posted on 08/11/2004 7:26:27 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju
I don't know about you but I'm getting genuinely frightened here.

Really? I'm feeling mostly relief.

I think this is the end, my only friend, the end.

I think for all the talk about the bunny suit, it may be Kerry's Kambodia Kaper (aka Apocalypse Never) that ends up being his real "Dukakis-in-a-tank" moment.

68 posted on 08/11/2004 7:39:00 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: cyncooper

69 posted on 08/11/2004 7:41:36 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: sinanju
The "Lucky Hat" version is the nuttiest by far as it has our hero escorting a CIA operative on a secret mission far into Cambodia.

That would be the CIA as portrayed in the movie "Volunteers".

70 posted on 08/11/2004 7:46:12 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: sinanju

Thanks for the reply and the ping.


71 posted on 08/11/2004 7:54:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: cyncooper
Look it is the rare Cambodian Christmas Hamster, Moi al Kerri. It appeared only once in Cambodia on Christmas in 1968 while on a secret CIA mission.


72 posted on 08/11/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Grampa Dave
bump!

73 posted on 08/11/2004 8:03:03 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP; S.O.L.

Meek can you help this gentleman to scan a great document to put on FR.

Please contact him by freepmail.


74 posted on 08/11/2004 8:18:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: cyncooper
Yaaawn needs to start with an apology to President Richard Nixon, who had to resign for lying!! Then he can publically apologize to all the Veterans and finally to the country for misleading them about this!! How pathetic!

Pray for W and Out Troops

75 posted on 08/11/2004 8:21:58 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants your paycheck!)
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To: sinanju

The problem is that even Kerry doesn't know who he is, where he was, or where he's going.


76 posted on 08/11/2004 9:02:31 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: sinanju

I was in Cambodia last December as a tourist, so vote for me!


77 posted on 08/11/2004 12:07:14 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Pathetic Tax Protestors are a drain on society, lock them up!)
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To: Grampa Dave; S.O.L.
Thanks, Grampa. I sent him my email addy so he can send me the file.

When I get it and upload it, I'll post back to you here.


78 posted on 08/11/2004 12:08:19 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Grampa Dave; S.O.L.
Here it is, folks! The original file showed to be 2.0 MB.
So I had to take the file to my PhotoDeluxe software to fix it up and make it small. These are 60% of the original size dimensionally (H & W).

I got the 2.0 MB down to a total of appx. .349 MB here - 150.6KB and 198.0KB:


79 posted on 08/11/2004 2:29:33 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP; S.O.L.; backhoe; Peach; Ernest_at_the_Beach; IPWGOP

Great work, MeekoneGOP and S.O.L.!

S.O.L., this was out of the Boston Hearld, what was the date and the section it in.


80 posted on 08/11/2004 2:49:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Grampa Dave
My pleasure, Grampa .....

81 posted on 08/11/2004 2:55:38 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

You need to get that to the Swift Boat Vets.


82 posted on 08/11/2004 2:59:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Grampa Dave

The Kerry movie review of Apocalypse Now appeared in the Oct 14, 1979 Herald.

The first thing I did was to send this to SwiftVets as they were the ones who asked me to track this down.


83 posted on 08/11/2004 4:57:37 PM PDT by S.O.L.
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To: S.O.L.; MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the date and all of your work.

Glad to hear that this has been forwarded by you to the Swift Boat Vets.

Meek can you repost the scan with this data on it.

The John Kerry movie review of Apocalypse Now appeared in the Oct 14, 1979 Herald.

Please ping me when you repost it.

Thanks again to both of you.



84 posted on 08/11/2004 5:00:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Grampa Dave; S.O.L.
I sure will, Grampa. I'll update both parts with the Boston Herald as the source and with the date of the article too.

I see that Jean Keri [John Kerry] once again declares his ILLEGAL presence in Cambodia in this BS LIE article.

George Bush in a LANDSLIDE November 2nd !


85 posted on 08/11/2004 5:39:40 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Grampa Dave; S.O.L.; Happy2BMe; devolve; PhilDragoo; SAMWolf; ALOHA RONNIE; potlatch; yall
Yep! Here you go, Grampa!

John Kerry wrote his Review for "Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.

Here is the article in JPG format.

Thank you, thank you FreeRepublic.com !!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188739/posts?page=86#86


86 posted on 08/11/2004 7:37:18 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Nice find.


87 posted on 08/11/2004 7:48:00 PM PDT by SAMWolf (John Kerry - Vietnam War Hero - Just don't ask him for which side.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for pinging me to this Meek. I would hate to miss Kerry's version of things, LOL.


88 posted on 08/11/2004 8:12:43 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: S.O.L.

I would LOVE to see that review... is it online anywhere?


89 posted on 08/11/2004 8:17:13 PM PDT by TruBluKentuckian
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To: TruBluKentuckian

Note to self: Finish reading a thread before posting to it and looking like an idiot.


90 posted on 08/11/2004 8:23:29 PM PDT by TruBluKentuckian
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To: daviddennis
It would be really hard for anyone giving the book an honest look to believe in John Kerry.

I'd suggest John McCain needs to read this book. But then there's that 'honest look' requisite.

91 posted on 08/11/2004 8:32:59 PM PDT by auboy (John Kerry is part of the problem, not part of the solution.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; S.O.L.

Meek, Thanks!

Now the Swift Boat Vets and freepers who are doing research on Scambodia, have a date, reference and a copy of Kerry's movie review.

S.O.L. thanks for finding this and letting us know and then scanning it. Now have Kerry's BS documented about his Christmas in Scambodia.


92 posted on 08/11/2004 9:41:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: TruBluKentuckian

It is online now on Free Republic.

S.O.L. has a copy of that Boston Herald, he scanned it.

Then Meekonegop posted it on Free Republic for the world to see and out of the reach of Komrade Kerry's Kerrorists who specialize in erasing things that Komrad Kerry has said.


93 posted on 08/11/2004 9:44:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: TruBluKentuckian
Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. :^D

94 posted on 08/11/2004 9:54:15 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: SAMWolf; Grampa Dave; S.O.L.
Thanks. SOL did the digging and Grampa pointed me to it. :^)

95 posted on 08/11/2004 9:56:59 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: S.O.L.; MeekOneGOP; SAMWolf

"Thanks. SOL did the digging and Grampa pointed me to it. :^)"

Just another example of the synergy that happens when Freeper get together and listen to each other and help each other.


96 posted on 08/11/2004 10:14:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Monti Cello
this secret Cambodia mission was a product of Kerry's romantic imagination

John of Arc hand picked, singled out, and destined to lead this country. (/ sarcasm)

97 posted on 08/12/2004 7:09:54 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Bias is not necessarily propaganda. HOWEVER, bias is necessary to propaganda.)
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To: N. Theknow

"Gee, that would explain my Catholic neighbors who get drunk and shoot guns every Christmas. And I thought it was just a Southern Baptist thing."


LOL!! You are telling it like it is...we SB's ALWAYS celebrate Christmas that way!


98 posted on 08/12/2004 8:19:12 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter

... I guess we missed this... See post 79...


99 posted on 08/24/2004 8:20:40 AM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge)
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