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Suggested Swift Boat Vet Talking Points - Please Contribute!
FR | 8-10-04 | Bob J

Posted on 08/10/2004 10:02:13 AM PDT by Bob J

One never knows who is trolling FR for tidbits, sound bites and suggestions. Please use this thread to offer your own talking points and sound bites for the Swifties and media.

PLEASE - Sincere, serious and well thought out sound bites/talking points only! Let's make this a neat, compact reference thread for the media and Swifties. If someone refuses to cooperate, please self moderate (abuse button)!


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1. Of course these men weren't on Kerry's boat, they were contemporaries, peers, senior officers and fellow swiftboat captains who were commanding their own boats and men alongside Kerry during the time of the events in question.

2. Collectively these men have 375 years of experience in Vietnam and on their swift boats, compared to the 16 total months of Kerry and his nine enlistees.

3. These men were in boats yards away from Kerry and were witnesses to what happened. They were well positioned to observe the events in question.

4. Many of the Swift Boat Vets are decorated war heroes themselves and not only have earned the right but have a duty to expose thos who they believe received honors fraudulently.

5. The Swift Boat Vets who signed the petition collectively earned (Insert total of medals and honors) Saying these men do not have the right to speak out or claiming they are lying is an abomination and insult to all soldiers who served their country honorably during the VietNam war.

6. Saying the Swifties have no right to give witness to these events because they were not in the same boat as Kerry is like saying Ron Goldman (if he survived) has no right to testify against OJ because he wasn't wearing Bruno Magli shoes.

1 posted on 08/10/2004 10:02:14 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J
Kerrys capacity for capitulation knows no bounds.

1) kerry lead a capitulation movement against his own country.

2) Bush lead a capitulation movement against our enemies, the way is should be done.

2 posted on 08/10/2004 10:04:41 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Bob J

The election process, including the Swift Boat ads, is a vetting process for the presidency of the U.S. Americans have a right to speak, be heard and then to vote. Carry on.


3 posted on 08/10/2004 10:06:08 AM PDT by tioga (Flush the johns in '04!)
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To: Bob J
a) do you have to be a passenger in a car wreck to be a witness to a traffic accident?

b) the swift crews were as close as a football team to include the QB, offense, defense & special teams.

c) when somebody is interviewed the prosepective employer typically gets references from his former bosses and fellow peers, not those who served UNDER him.

4 posted on 08/10/2004 10:06:17 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Bob J

They are not Republican operatives, just concerned citizens.


5 posted on 08/10/2004 10:06:25 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: Bob J
The boats typically operated in groups in close proximity to each other. The men all lived in the same barracks when not on the boats. They did serve together.
6 posted on 08/10/2004 10:06:57 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: Bob J

The voters have the right to know the truth. Bush released all his records, why doesn't Kerry?


7 posted on 08/10/2004 10:07:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Bob J

The White House denounced the advertisement on 8/5/04 and issued the challenge that all "soft money" advertisements cease.


8 posted on 08/10/2004 10:09:43 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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To: Bob J
Those are all very good, but there is really only one talking point left.

It helps to remove some of the heat from the swifties, and puts the emphasis where it belongs, ON KERRY.

Simply Put, on several occasions Senator Kerry, in speech, and in writing spoke of the painful experience of being in Cambodia, on Christmas Eve of 1968, and being haunted by the fact that President Nixon denied their prescence.

Now, a simple Calendar tells one that he is lying about Nixon, because Nixon was not president yet.

But More importantly, IF Mr.Kerry was not in Cambodia, why did he repeatedly claim to have been?

Is that not really a slur against the United States of America, much akin to his Slur of Vietnam veterans during the Senate hearings...?

The repeating of the Cambodia fiction, tells a voter everything they need to know about Mr.Kerry's true feelings aobut the projection of American Force abroad.

Foretold, is Forewarned.

9 posted on 08/10/2004 10:10:25 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Always Right
this has less to do with Vietnam as it does with Kerry's mental fitness and delusions supposedly "seared into his soul" and recanted as recently as 2003
10 posted on 08/10/2004 10:10:25 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Bob J

That's good, but do you have a brief talking-points synopsis of the Swift Boat Vets *claims*? It would be good have that in summary form.


11 posted on 08/10/2004 10:11:08 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: Rabid Dog

Why did the DNC or Kerry not distance themselves from Michael Moore's propaganda hit piece or denounce it. What is the relationship between Moveon.org and DNC personnel?


12 posted on 08/10/2004 10:11:12 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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To: Bob J

So Kerry, lets get your crew together
and they can tell America how you and
they were in Cambodia on Dec 24 and 25 1968,
under Nixon's orders even though Nixon
wasn't Commander-in-Chief until Jan 20 1969

You and your crew were there.
They can verify this? Correct?

Johnson, Lyndon
1963-69
Nixon, Richard
1969-74

Odd, I was in Vietnam on Dec 24 and 25 1968
and Johnson was my Commander-in-Chief

John Kerry

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have President Nixon telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me . . . ."

By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

See Exhibit 26.


13 posted on 08/10/2004 10:11:53 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)
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To: Bob J

Regardless of what Kerry did or didn't do in-country...his actions as a spokeperson for Viet Nam Veterans Against the War tells us all we need to know about being "Unfit for Command"!


14 posted on 08/10/2004 10:12:53 AM PDT by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: Bob J

It's a simple as this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1188761/posts?page=13#13

Now where are the crew members that were on the boat with Kerry?


15 posted on 08/10/2004 10:14:10 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)
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To: Steven W.
That's right. The Swift boat veterans are not disputing his service, they are disputing how he (a) put in for medals he didnt deserve by embellishing what happened and (b) how he made claims (like "Christmas in Cambodia") that werent true, and (c) how he made post-war claims about 'war crimes' and atrocities among swift boat operations that was false and libelous. Along the way, though, they highlight that Kerry seems to have been out for himself from day one, disputing his official story of a changed man after his service ... So the question is

HONESTY


16 posted on 08/10/2004 10:15:06 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: Bob J

When Kerry testified before Congress in 1971, he alleged war crimes and confessed to participation. How can Kerry be a hero if he committed war crimes? Which Kerry story is true? Why won't the media ask him to elaborate? There's more evidence that he was a war criminal than there is that Bush went AWOL. Why isn't that news?


17 posted on 08/10/2004 10:17:58 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Bob J

Anyone who has not contributed their own $'s to the Swiftboat ad fund, should have the decency to immediately donate to the Swift boat vets to counter the tie in with the mediots and Kerry.

Why we should contribute to the Swift Boat Money raising for tv ads, based on comments from Kerri's staff"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1188521/posts

According to a Kerry campaign source, senior campaign advisers tasked two Washington-based campaign staffers to vet the recently published Unfit for Command.

"The purpose was to compare what that book had with what we had on file from Senator Kerry," says the campaign source, who said that the research project developed more than 75 instances where Kerry's recollections, previous remarks, or writings conflicted with the book's reporting.

"We took some of the most glaring examples, like the Christmas in Cambodia story, and presented them to senior staff, and we assume that those things were put in front of Senator Kerry," says the source. "We haven't heard a word about it. All we were told is that it was being taken care of."

The campaign source said that the book was not considered a "serious" problem for the campaign, because, "the media wouldn't have the nerve to come at us with this kind of stuff," says the source.

"The senior staff believes the media is committed to seeing us win this thing, and that the convention inoculated us from these kinds of stories. The senior guys really think we don't have a problem here."







It is obvious that ABCNNBC BS and O'Reilly are in the closet with Komrade Kerry's Klan, and they will never get the real story out.

For the real story to get out, the Swift Boat Vets need funding to buy tv ad time. That Funding must come people like Freepers.


"It is time that we fund these brave Navy warriors's effort to get the truth out to America, since the mediots will not do it!


To Donate to Swift Boat Vets

$100 via my credit card is now in their advertising account.

Here is the link to donate:

https://coral.he.net/~swiftvet/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets



18 posted on 08/10/2004 10:18:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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To: Bob J

all the swiftboat vets are asking for is for Kerry to release all his records..he already said he would, President Bush has done so so why doesn't Kerry do what he said he would, what is he hiding? In fairness to all he should be held to the same standard he holds President Bush to...



http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040421-121056-7919r.htm


19 posted on 08/10/2004 10:18:27 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
Kerry has also taken back one of the records previously released (the january spot reports)

Why is he un-releasing a document, what did it contain that is so embarassing, and who else has a copy?

That would make for a good talking point.

20 posted on 08/10/2004 10:22:23 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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