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Some of the world’s greatest scientific minds tell us what they love—and hate—about Einstein
Discover ^ | Aug 2004 | various

Posted on 08/20/2004 9:43:04 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist

LOVE: I particularly admired Einstein’s deep devotion to, and ability to focus on, science itself and his recognition that the personalities of scientists are irrelevant to understanding science. Most important, in light of recent trends in physics, he understood the place of mathematics in science as a tool, not an end in itself. He was always motivated by physical questions and searching for experimental tests, even as he explored new mathematics. In particular, he didn’t confuse mathematical elegance with physical significance.

HATE: I find myself frustrated at Einstein’s constant and inappropriate use of the term “God,” when he really meant something else. As a result, he opened the door for generations of individuals to misrepresent his ideas.

LAWRENCE KRAUSS, chairman, department of physics,

Case Western Reserve University

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Einstein—his mind and his manner—became the symbol of science to millions of people throughout the world. In an era of wrenching human struggle under the heels of military might and the horrors of World War I, the experimental proof of the correctness of Einstein’s notion of gravity and curved space showed the world that there were fundamental truths to be learned about nature and that the human mind and spirit could rise above all. Einstein’s manner, his grandfatherly warmth, gave science, and physics in particular, a human side, which we have lost over the century.

What still drives me crazy about Einstein is that he did not participate in the scientific revolution he helped launch. His successful theory of the photoelectric effect was a key step in establishing the correctness of quantum mechanics. He seemed to consider working out the details of the atom and its nucleus more as busywork than as fundamental science.

NEAL LANE, former director, the National Science Foundation;

professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; einstein; physics; science
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To: djf
John Stuart Bell.

Who is certainly no run-of-the-John Stuart-Mill thinker, I think.

21 posted on 08/20/2004 10:15:57 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: Physicist

I think he just meant to say "quantum mechanics" instead of "relativity".


22 posted on 08/20/2004 10:16:09 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>stupid blob</A>)
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To: RightWingAtheist

That's a great book, I have my copy near my bedside, 5th printing, Simon and Schuster, 1938.

I should re-read his "Out of my Later Years", Philosophical Library, New York, 1950.


23 posted on 08/20/2004 10:20:06 AM PDT by djf
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To: RightWhale
Thanks for reminding me about the upcoming World Year of Physics. Anyone interested in learning more can just click on the link.
24 posted on 08/20/2004 10:20:58 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>stupid blob</A>)
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To: Physicist
I read an interesting piece on him that detailed his early school years, his relationship with his wife and his journey to Switzerland to work in the patent office, thematic in this chronicle of his behavior was an underlying current of social disjunction as though he never quite met anyone who was truly suitable as a companion.

Were he growing up in today's world, he might well be labeled autistic; as for his grand ideas about the great scheme of things, I can never quite get my arms around the universe, some ignorance is healthy, I believe.

25 posted on 08/20/2004 10:21:23 AM PDT by Old Professer (If they win, it will be because we've become too soft.)
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To: djf
I think he might hold the same chair that Newton held.

The Siege Perilous?

26 posted on 08/20/2004 10:22:15 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: djf

Bell?


27 posted on 08/20/2004 10:24:19 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Migraine

Ouch...


28 posted on 08/20/2004 10:26:21 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: Physicist

The Lucasian(sp?) chair at Cambridge?

I'm wrong, I think that's Horton.


29 posted on 08/20/2004 10:26:31 AM PDT by djf
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To: mjp; RightWingAtheist; Lunatic Fringe; freeper beeber; Tax-chick; Mo1; RightWhale; ...
Henry James:

WHAZ UP BRO?

(Henry James walks across thread to high-five his big brother, Willie James.)

Keep making the movements of life,

-Henry James.

P.S. By the way, what the heck is a "Swedenborgian?"

30 posted on 08/20/2004 10:27:18 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("And then they invented 'New Coke.' Or as I like to call it, "syrupy piss-water.")
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To: The Scourge of Yazid
"Swedenborgian?"

A species of Christian. Johnny Appleseed was one. So was Helen Keller.

31 posted on 08/20/2004 10:29:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Old Professer
I can never quite get my arms around the universe, some ignorance is healthy, I believe.

I can never quite get my arms around Miss Universe either.
Oh, THE universe......nevermind.

32 posted on 08/20/2004 10:34:31 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Science list Ping! This is an elite subset of the Evolution list.
See the list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail me to be added or dropped.
33 posted on 08/20/2004 10:35:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (If I never respond to you, maybe it's because I think you're an idiot.)
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To: coconutt2000

John Bell, Cambridge University, author of "Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics", Cambridge University Press, 1987.

He is the discoverer/inventor/interpreter of the famous Bell inequality, which makes us change our ideas about the true nature of space/time/causality.

It's very simple, and has to do with what color socks you wear!


34 posted on 08/20/2004 10:37:41 AM PDT by djf
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To: RightWingAtheist

I like his bicycle poster.


35 posted on 08/20/2004 10:37:45 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: RightWhale; ScaniaBoy; Dane
I know, I was just having a little fun at the expense of that fun-loving, scientifically-inclined, mystical, Swede-loving sect.

Believe it or not, I actually have a friend who knows someone that was brought up in that church.

According to him, the guy is in the process of acquiring his second Master's of Arts in a subject that hardly anyone on this planet has ever heard of.

36 posted on 08/20/2004 10:38:20 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("And then they invented 'New Coke.' Or, as I like to call it, "syrupy piss-water.")
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To: djf

LOL...


oh, and my socks are white.


37 posted on 08/20/2004 10:38:41 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 08/20/2004 10:42:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Physicist
I hate that Einstein seemed to buy into the misconception that his scientific brilliance conferred upon him some special political insight, and that therefore his opinions on such matters should carry extra weight.

Right. To the end, he remained a socialist. Probably the result of his early coffee house days in pre-WWI Europe. Somewhat excusable then, because so many Europeans were (and are) ignorant about such things. Alas, he never seems to have bothered to learn about the economic system of his adoped country, and as a result, zillions of idiots imagine that socialism is the "intellectual" position to take when in fact, it's the moronic position.

So he was wrong when he said that his cosmological constant was his biggest blunder. Rather, it was his endorsement of socialism.

39 posted on 08/20/2004 10:45:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (If I never respond to you, maybe it's because I think you're an idiot.)
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To: PatrickHenry; RussianConservative
At least he wasn't quite as bad as some fellow-travelers of the time.

Granted, his political views were misguided at best, but he was still a patriotic citizen, unlike some of the other members of the scientific community, who decided to either sell or mortgage their souls to the Evil Empire.

40 posted on 08/20/2004 10:50:46 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("And then they invented 'New Coke.' Or, as I like to call it, "syrupy piss-water.")
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