A-HEM!!
Posted on 08/25/2004 3:17:00 PM PDT by hinterlander
There are several methods of evaluating the claims of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, 254 of whom have signed a letter saying John Kerry is not fit to be commander in chief.
There is the Bill O'Reilly method, which is to abandon independent thinking and simply come out in the middle, irrespective of where the two sides are. In response to Newt Gingrich's remark that the Swift Boat Veterans' independent ads were "the conservative movement's answer to Michael Moore," O'Reilly said, "I don't want either of them."
In Nazi Germany, O'Reilly would have condemned BOTH Hitler's death camps and the Warsaw ghetto uprising. In Bill O'Reilly's world, King Solomon would have actually cut the disputed baby in half.
The O'Reilly method of analysis works well about once a century. The last time was when Hitler invaded Russia in 1941.
Then there is the Chris Matthews method, which is to decide in advance that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are the lowest form of human life imaginable and then publicly excoriate them for consuming oxygen.
Matthews employs a logical calculus known as "begging the question," which goes something like this:
(1) John Kerry claims to be a great war hero.
(2) Maybe so, but legitimate questions have been raised about his combat record.
(3) How can you say that about a great war hero like John Kerry?
When John O'Neill, author of Unfit for Command, went on "Hardball," Matthews accused O'Neill of being a Republican operative and demanded that O'Neill detail for "Hardball's" six remaining viewers his voting history for the past 20 years in mind-numbing detail. (Completely destroying his case against Kerry, in 1988, O'Neill voted for George Herbert Walker Bush!) Apparently voting for a Republican presidential candidate 16 years ago is a credibility…quot;destroyer, whereas being a former member of the White House staff under Jimmy Carter, as Chris Matthews is, enhances one's credibility.
Normally an interview on a newly released book consists of the author being asked questions about his book and the author answering the questions. With O'Neill, Matthews interviewed himself.
Also, erstwhile war protester John Hurley was interviewed along with O'Neill about Unfit for Command. The fact that Hurley (1) didn't write the book, and (2) is a paid Kerry campaign worker raises no credibility issues. A colleague of Kerry's in Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hurley's contribution to the interview about a book he didn't write consisted of his piping in periodically with insightful comments about O'Neill, such as "his book and his organization is built on lies and distortions."
O'Neill's contribution to a discussion about his own book consisted mostly of meaningless sentence fragments:
O'Neill: I don't believe that ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, I'm not here to ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: I think he is millions of steps behind, because he went over ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: His first Purple ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, the first ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: You're right. I'm saying ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, wait just a second. What you've done is ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: First of all ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
Finally, O'Neill proposed that he be allowed to answer questions and Matthews erupted with an indignant speech notable mostly for being slightly longer than anything O'Neill ever got to say:
Matthews: "One of the oldest tricks on this show is for somebody to come on the show after talking for 20 minutes and say they haven't had the chance to talk. I'll be glad to clock you, John, on how many minutes you spoke on the show. So don't try that old trick. It is a particularly conservative trick, OK? So let's move on here."
Let's review the transcript!
Total words by book author John O'Neill: approximately 1,150. (Complete sentences devoid of Matthews interruptions: about 2.)
Total words by paid Kerry flack Hurley: approximately 950.
Total words by Matthews, excluding host prattle ("Welcome back to 'Hardball'!"): approximately 2,290.
At least Matthews didn't physically throw O'Neill off his set as he did Michelle Malkin a few nights later while she tried in vain to discuss her new book. The lion-hearted Matthews reserves that level of rudeness only for girls. (Now that I think about it, compared to the average Democrat male, maybe John Kerry IS manly.)
In lieu of the O'Reilly method (randomly coming out in "the middle" of every issue) or the Matthews method (deciding, ab initio, that any criticism of Kerry could come only from bottom-feeding, politically motivated whores), there is still another method of evaluating the evidence, which is to evaluate the evidence.
For starters, 254 Swift Boat veterans say Kerry is a fraud; 14 say he's a hero. Partisan considerations aside, which would be more difficult to do: Get 14 liars to keep a secret, or get 254 liars to do so? As a student of recent history, I defer to any registered Democrat on this question.
Of course, the 14 in Kerry's camp are not necessarily lying, being bribed, or hoping for a position in the Kerry administration …quot;- possibilities the media will never raise, I note. But we're talking about 35-year-old memories here; 254 memories to 14 memories is what we used to call "evidence."
Why don't we just give both sides some Swift boats, a few machine guns and lots of ammo, put them on a river somewhere, and let them settle this whole thing like gentlemen once and for all?
Ann Coulter - my heart's fluttering.
*ahem*
I love the way Coulter rips these media jackasses like O'Loud Mouth to shreds.
Mine's galloping.
*AHEM*
Hey! We got rules, you know. I'm at a technical college library so I, uh, can't post graphic material :-)
My apologies.
Fantastic!!!
Matthews often appears to be on the brink of hysteria and he doesn't interview he interrogates.
No problemo...
gracias
And Anne's got O'Reilly pegged here, too.
Wow is that a great slam against O'Reilly.
The most painful slams are the ones that are written beautifully and backed up by fact. I almost spit coffee on the keyboard with her Hilter death camps vs. Warsaw uprising comparison.
It almost makes me feel bad for him...then I realize he is a pompus ass who needs to be brought down often.
Another possibility is a worry that their own medals, which were awarded based on kerry's recommendations, could be subjected to scrunity if kerry's service gets discredited to any significant extent. To me, that would be a pretty strong incentive to stick with the boss's story.
Oh Ann, Ann, Ann... Where for art thou?
I think that Ann Coulter and David Horowitz should get their genes together and make some future Americans.
If David's not available, I will sacrifice my time and ... er, resources, to the task.
Love,
MarineBrat
The swift boat heros versus "gattling gun mouth" Mathews and the rest of the Democrat shills should be no contest.
The illiteracy and decay that brought about the fall of the Roman Empire has obviously infested 21st century America.
great article, thanks
We can not lose with her on our side.
Just remember, Bill O'Reilly respects your opinion.
And guess what? He has about 500,000 copies of "Those Who Trespass" waiting to be signed for being such good FREEPers...
His radio show is nauseatingly bad.
Coulter does what she does so well.
Dan
Oreally has been a real 2 face phony on the issue.
Bump....
The only reason Chrissy had Malkin and O'Neill on his show is because he knew conservatives would tune in. And he needs all the viewers he can scrounge up, because personally I'd rather stare at the multi-color graphic that's displayed on an off the air channel than watch Hardball.
"O'Neill's contribution to a discussion about his own book consisted mostly of meaningless sentence fragments:
O'Neill: I don't believe that ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, I'm not here to ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: I think he is millions of steps behind, because he went over ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: His first Purple ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, the first ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: You're right. I'm saying ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: Well, wait just a second. What you've done is ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
O'Neill: First of all ... (MATTHEWS INTERRUPTION)
Finally, O'Neill proposed that he be allowed to answer questions and Matthews erupted with an indignant speech notable mostly for being slightly longer than anything O'Neill ever got to say:
Matthews: "One of the oldest tricks on this show is for somebody to come on the show after talking for 20 minutes and say they haven't had the chance to talk. I'll be glad to clock you, John, on how many minutes you spoke on the show. So don't try that old trick. It is a particularly conservative trick, OK? So let's move on here."
"Let's review the transcript!
"Total words by book author John O'Neill: approximately 1,150. (Complete sentences devoid of Matthews interruptions: about 2.)
"Total words by paid Kerry flack Hurley: approximately 950.
"Total words by Matthews, excluding host prattle ('Welcome back to GOOFball!'): approximately 2,290.
Yeah I'm real sure about that... ;)
My guess would be he'd respect me only if I read his books or listened to his radio show.
Guess I lose on both points.
Bob gets the grand prize, an all paid vacation for three (must include your sife' mom, or your girlfriend's) on board the 94 boat!
Thank you Bob, for hitting that nail, squarely!!!!!!
Do you think an email telling him to grow a set of balls on this one is pithy enough to make it onto the show..?
;)
Six? They have that many? Gotta love Ms. Coulter!
I agree.. BO wasn't like this before. Its like his "New and Improved" schtick. He seems so fake now. And whats with the makeup man!?
...oooops
Man, she is good. Really good.
(steely)
No way...I am much more her type!!!!
Ok, being happily married to a beautiful and intelligent lady for over 31 years, I still get to say......God I love Ann!!!
Ann Coulter for President, 2008. Then Exalted Ruler of the World and the Universe. Yes, I am sick and I hope a cure is never found!!!!
So what's O'Reilly going to say when the third Swift Boat ad debuts in October? Or if Kerry resigns from the ticket before then? When does O'Reilly admit Kerry was a coward and a traitor and is the last man on earth who should be elected US President?
Thank you..THAT is now the background on my desktop.
He doesn't! He comes out and says that this is beneath us...when its really beneath him because he is not contolling the topics of the day then!!
The fact that a serial liar is using made up stories to try to become our President so he can aviod having to talk about his betrayals of this country for well over 30 years should be screamed from the rooftops.
The fact that O'Reilly has deemed it pointless and not worth discussion is a product of his own vanity.
"Who's Looking Out for You" my ass!!
I like Anne and read her all the time. But these, while amusing, are terrible analogies;
"In Nazi Germany, O'Reilly would have condemned BOTH Hitler's death camps and the Warsaw ghetto uprising. In Bill O'Reilly's world, King Solomon would have actually cut the disputed baby in half."
O'Rilley say's he wasn't there and he's not going to judge the word of either group of decorated vets. I personally think that the evidence leans heavily to the swift vets, but O'rilley doesn't want to call either group liars, particularly in regards to 30 year old memories.
Anne implies that this posture is morally equivalent to refusing to judge the relative merits of genocide over those that fought against genocide.
That's just silly.
She sure is something special, ain't she.
You gotta love it!
Someone else did the same for me, and this image hasn't popped up for a long time. She's sure somethin'.
Wow!
I love Ann Coulter.
"Slander" was very...interesting.
Thank you Bob, for hitting that nail, squarely!!!!!!
Thanks for the compliment but I was only applying a little military thinking to the situation. It's just not the kind of thing that somebody who hasn't been in would even consider as a possibility.
(So there!)
Not true. He called their charges dishonest and disgusting the first day the story broke.
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