November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation

NATIONAL POST ( CANADA) ^ | 8/27/04 | Stewart Bell

[lizma]

To me random reasonless disintegration is a scarier thought than deliberate terrorist acts.

Good point!

I knew a guy, employed by an outside firm (i.e. nongovernmental), who was involved in the investigation. He swears there was no evidence of terrorism.

I don't know but I'd prefer terrorism to an industry sooo sloppy and corrupt that they would risk plane parts flying off for profit.

[7.62 x 51mm]

Ditto that here, C.

Been saying that since '96 (TWA800) and '01(AA587).

Dammit.

[PaleoPal]

Am I remembering the Detroit thing right? I thought there was an angry dispute by at least one other pilot who saw the flaps in the proper position. And perhaps the union getting involved. But, I can't find anything by Googling.

Thanks

[fivecatsandadog]

Farouk the Tunisian???

[nw_arizona_granny]

Interesting post.

[COEXERJ145]

I hadn't heard anything about that but I'd have to get a copy of the NTSB report on that crash in order to be sure. I think they're online but if not I can get them from Texas A&M's library.

[HighWheeler]

This is only news to people who haven't paid attention to the details, the eyewitness accounts, and the FAA response.

Planes just don't fall out of the air from turbulence.

[rdl6989]

I don't think Al Qaida ever really formally admitted the September 11, 2001 attack. They didn't claim the USS Cole or the African embassies in 1998 or Khobar Towers. I believed long before the September 11, 2001 attack that flight 800, the Egypt Air 990 and the Swissair jet disasters were not accidents.

[FreeReign]

An al-Qaeda operative says it, and they print it as fact.

Also, the Canadian intelligence investigators who are said to heard this information from the al-Qaeda operative are -- wouldn't ya know it -- unnamed!

Without reading the rest of this thread I'd be willing to bet that none of this matters... It has got to be true.

[HighWheeler]

"Never let facts, logic, or occam's razor delay your rushing to conclusions..."

The ShoeBomber allows Flight 587 to fall into all those categories, and would have had the same result if the passengers hadn't reacted. I also read that the showbomber was sitting in the same part of the plane that the primary eyewitness said the 587 explosion came from.

[HighWheeler]

You should modify the search to fit the data in question. You should run a search for "tail separation plus both on-wing engines separation"

[GEC]

Don't forget Oklahoma City.

Read Jayna Davis's The Third Terrorist

[HighWheeler]

"nah, the engines just fell off by themselves ... happens all the time ... [/sarcasm]

Chicago, 1979. American 191. That's exactly what happened."

Well, that't not what happened. It was only one engine. There was a prima facia cause of the single engine separation due to a crack in the pylon caused by a poor maintenance procedure. At that point the plane was still able to RTA, but then this plane had a stall caused by loss of hydraulics in the damaged wing (and other things), which STILL could have been saved had the pilot not reduced speed.

But the verticle stab stayed with the plane.

[DoughtyOne]

Number one, the flight might have been taken down by terrorists
Number two, numerous terrorist groups frequently claim responsiblity for calamities to enhance their stature
Number three, taking this nut-job's word for this would be a very shallow thing to do
Number four, there was a time when I would have said 'time will tell' - after the travesty of TWA 800 I no longer say that

[HighWheeler]

"The failure in such an event would have been "Progressive Shear", where a single bolt (within a perpendicularly-orientated linear stress field) fails, transferring the total load to the remaining bolts, which in turn fail (one-by-one) as did the first failed bolt."

So, you think airplane tails are designed to go to catastrophic loss after a single point failure?

[Rome2000]

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Federal investigators said they are considering whether "wake turbulence" from another airplane may have played a role in the crash of a commercial jet that crashed Monday, scattering debris over a Queens neighborhood and claiming more than 260 lives.

The turbulence from a plane that took off shortly before American Airlines flight 587 could have been a factor in the crash, investigators said Tuesday. At least 262 people died when the aircraft went down while en route from John F. Kennedy International Airport to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. According to the jet's cockpit voice recorder, recovered from the crash site in Rockaway, a rattle emanates from the plane's mainframe before the jet is in the air two minutes, said National Transportation Safety Board Member George Black. Ten seconds later - when flight 587 has been aloft 114 seconds -- the pilot is heard commenting on encountering a "wake effect." The wake was from a Japan Airways Boeing 747 that had taken off minutes earlier, Black said.

Then, the recorder transmits the sound of a second rattle. At 127 seconds, there are comments suggesting loss of control in the aircraft, Black said.

One thing we can all be sure of.

Marion Blakey new head of the NTSB, doesn't know a tinkers damn about airplanes or investigating aircraft accidents.

This hack snake in the grass has absolutely no aviation experience, yet she goes in front of the cameras with her NTSB jacket on like she's some kind of expert and then states that there was "no evidence of terrorism".

This is exactly a lie, there is lots more evidence from eyewitness accounts and the unprecedented mid-air break up of the plane to suggest terrorism than there is to suggest mechanical failure.

The real NTSB investigators, in response to reporters questions, have repeatedly stated that they CANNOT RULE OUT TERRORISM.

The NTSB with her at it's head has lost all credibility.

It is never easy for the incoming head of the nation's lead safety agency, but Marion Blakey faces perhaps the toughest on-the-job training in the history of the National Transportation Safety Board.

A career Washington bureaucrat and lobbyist, Blakey was sworn in as the NTSB's chairwoman Sept. 26, barely 2 weeks after terrorists brought down four passenger jets.

Flight 587 was brought down by a shoe bomb, and the NTSB lied.

Those 262 civilized human beings deserve better than that.

They were victims of the terrorists, and should be recognized as such.

[Ciexyz]

Just like Flight 800.

[SunkenCiv]

Yeah, I have to agree. OTOH, I do wonder about TWA 800 -- not the Salinger B.S. -- and as no one claimed responsibility for that, either...

[Bobby777]

read my post I'm pointing you to

[Bobby777]

and there it is ...