Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
And that alone does not mean it was terrorism. We've had plenty of long periods without a single crash and then a period of what seems like regular crashes.
I always felt it was al-qaida after Moran told Osama to "kiss his royal Irish ass" and that he lived in Rockaway Beach at the benefit for 9-11 victims. Too coincidental...imo
No it doesn't. It's just one of those rare coincidences that's hard to accept. It happened so close to 9/11 when there could have been other active AQ operatives still intent on completing their mission. Two months after the 537 crash we had Richard Reid. Often times the first gut reaction turns out to be correct.
As I recall, witnesses at the Detroit crash said the plane was in flames. Some NTSB guy said "They all say that."
Didn't the pilot taxiing behind it testify that the flaps were in the proper position? That's what I remember, and that's what made me think something wasn't right.
The timing on the Gander thing was just too much. I forget what year it was, but it was a plane full of servicemen just coming back from the Middle East when things were very hot over there. It wasn't too long after the Air Florida crash, so I always suspected that the de-icing thing was put out as something we could understand.
Yep!
That was a shoe bomb that worked.
It is quite possible the aircraft caught fire after becoming (slight) airborne as its wings took out a bunch of light poles which most likely punctured the fuel tanks.
I'm not as familiar with Arrow Air 163 so I'll need to do some reading on it before I can comment further. However, a crash on takeoff is most likely not going to be terrorism as there are usually survivors in those type of accidents. If one wants to blow up an airliner with a bomb, the best time for it to go off is at high altitude so there will be little chance of the aircraft surviving.
I always thought (since hearing about Richard Reid) that
it was brought down by something like Reid's shoe bomb.
Didn't Reid try to sit in about the same place over the tail?
So they lied to us?
Geez, couldn't make a link, huh?
nope...the plane was actually seen from the control tower going in...the rudder was found in the bay or nowhere near the crash site
Doogle
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ACTUALLY..it was the vertical stabilizer that broke off.
NOT THE TAIL SECTION!!!
final investigation due out this fall
Doogle
Do we have any freepers who fly RC?
I'd like to discuss FLT800 with you if you fly RC ONLY
Doogle
If it was a suicide mission by Jdey, shouldn't they be able to place him on the passenger list
Can a bomber plant bomb on a plane set to explode later? Hmmmmm..... ?
Let's check out Ramzi Youseff shall we? I'll assume that we all know who Ramzi Youseff is.
Ramzi Youssef bought a one-way ticket to Cebu City, on December 9th, 1994, for travel aboard a December 11th flight from Manila on Philippine Airlines flight 434. Once on board, on December 11th, Youssef planted a bomb rigged with a Casio timer under his seat. The bomb was set to explode after Youssef disembarked in Cebu City. Two hours after Youssef got off the Boeing 747 in Cebu City his bomb exploded as the plane was on its way to Tokyo. The bomb killed one person and severely injured several others while blowing a hole in the floor of the plane and severing the aileron cables that controlled the plane’s flaps. The 747 successfully made an emergency landing in Okinawa.
So, I'd submit that a passenger manifest doesn't mean jack. Would the government want to "cover up" another terrorist event involving aircraft so soon after 9-11-01?
Hmmmmmm... Could be.. But, just like the Warren Commission's "magic bullet" theory... If that's what the "official" story is, who am I to question their motives?
Add TWA800 during the Clinton regime to that.
Argument that they wouldn't down Dominicans wasn't logical.
Dominicans are as infidel as anyone else to these people. Taking down the plane itself would have been their goal.
No shi*!
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This is as I predicted here weeks before on Freerepublic.com. That another Jetliner would fall out of the Sky on Veterans Day Weekend in order to have sudden TV Disaster Coverage displace exclusive TV Disaster Coverage of America honoring its Hero War Veterans in a new Time of War with our own Freedom now at stake.
This Jetliner went down on Veterans Day Monday, just 5 hours after mine landed after my Veterans Day Weekend Commerations in Washington, D.C.!!!
See Photo:
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.
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