Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
Uh, no. That was a home videotape discovered by U.S. Troops in a safehouse in Afghanistan. It was not a tape made by Osama for broadcast as a claim of responsibiliy.
I think if 9-11 was just an attack by a single plane, we may still be in denial that it was a terrorist act.
That is because if you read the eyewitnesses statements, you get something like this.
- The left engine was on fire
And all you hair-trigger tinfoilers were screaming terrorism before the parts even hit the ground. On every train wreck thread you guys scream terrorism, coverup, and completely wear out that "nothing to see here, move along" blather, though NONE have been connected to terrorism, and the rate post-911 is no higher than before.
Never let facts, logic, or occam's razor delay your rushing to conclusions...
Just as some of us have little faith in kookburgers who blame every act on terrorism.
If there was no Jday on the manifest, or no one with a Canadian passport, then you've been had, again.
Pretty unusual for an organization that isn't supposed to comment on an investigation until the official accident report comes out. Not if it is very close to where, just weeks before, 3000 people died in a terrorist attack. Hardly typical circumstances-- the concern to prevent wild speculation and resulting panic may have required a pre-emptive statement.
I guess you've never seen the video of the F-117 losing one of its vertical stabilizers during a fly-by. It was pretty dramatic. As was the fireball when it hit the ground. I'm guessing it must have been a shoebomber.
Shoebomber Reid was touted as a lone nutcase, too, until it became impossible to cover up the al-Qaeda connections and associations that came to light with him.
Actually it does happen sometimes:
http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2000/000210a%5F.htm
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Not very often, but they're parts just like everything else and sometimes parts fall off.
Not.
If the airliner crashed to the ground on a perfectly beautiful clear morning simply because it happened to disintegrate in the air, that make of plane would have been grounded all around the world immediately.
To me random reasonless disintegration is a scarier thought than deliberate terrorist acts.
Hell, we could have video footage of a terrorist bringing the plane down and 'officials' would still claim it was an accident.
... and Elephants don't fly, right?
Well they do in NY next week !
He was just applauding the actions.
Wrong. Do a search and read the transcript. Among other things said by Osama:
He identified Mohammed Atta by name as the leader of the attacks;
He makes the point that they did not expect the towers to collapse, just the floors above where the planes hit;
Also says that most of the hijackers did not know the details of the attacks until just before they occurred.
Now, this was not a face-on tape saying "I ordered the attacks." But he had the meeting taped, and then had the tape delivered to the news media. Sounds to me like he was claiming responsibility.
"Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says."
(rolls eyes)
Chicago, 1979. American 191. That's exactly what happened.
Hell, we could have video footage of a terrorist bringing the plane down and 'officials' would still claim it was an accident. Or, we could have no evidence whatsoever and that would be proof of a conspiracy (it always is, you know).
You said: "An al-Qaeda operative says it, and they print it as fact."
The article says: "But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane."
I don't see where you are coming from.
If a hijacked plane is going to a specific target, citizens at least may have an opportunity to use their cell phones, a la 9/11, to get the truth out. I can envision in these sudden, explosive acts of sabotage, there is obviously no time for that.
Whenever any commercial airliner crashes, at some point a terrorist group will take credit for the crash.
Get used to it.
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