Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
I don't recall hearing of it before, but it's possible.
I think you mean composites. It's a form of graphite. There is a lot in the F-117 but that wasn't the issue in the wreck I was talking about. The Airbus in New York used composites in the tail. In a lot of ways, composites are stronger than the metal they replace. There are several composite pieces in the jet I fly and newer fighters make extensive use of composites. The new Boeing airliner is almost entirely composite.
I'm heard the backdraft story too. And as for a bomb scattering parts, I have no clue how those things work.
Once the verticle stabilizer comes off planes tend to go into flat spins, since planes weren't really designed to withstand flat spins this puts stresses on other external parts they can't handle. Engines falling off is pretty regular at that point, and sometimes the wings, all depends on how quickly the plane makes it to the ground.
prisoner6
I seem to recall the investigation coming to the conclusion that the rudder went full left or right causing one wings lift to increase while the other's lift dropped dramatically. The result was the inversion, loss of pilot control and the eventual auger. All on board were lost. It happened on land next to a house a good friend of mine owned.
It was a really grim sight.
When the plane went down I climbed onto my roof and could see the plume of smoke.
There have been a few similar incidents, one with an Alaskan Airways jetliner and one in...ummmm...SE Asia(?) or maybe Europe. All were attributed to the degrading of the V Stabilzer mounts or gears, so apparently accidents like this do happen.
However with regard to the plane over Queens and Flight 800, I have my Tin Foil Hat firmly in place and am calling terrorist activity.
I'm proud to be a right Wing Nut!
prisoner6
The Boeing 737 has had many accidents that could only be partially explained as an engineering type design problem. I think a 737 crashed in the Denver, Colorado area a few years back, maybe as far back as 10 years ago that was also attributed to some type of rudder control type of inversion factor. Boeing has tried many fixes to correct noted problem, but is still not 100% convinced of what true problem is, although flight data extracted from the various accidents indicated that problem was caused by a closely related type of problem.
Boeing modified the Rudder system after the Denver Accident, and I don't believe that I've heard of any further 737 accidents related to a accident with this type of crash incident data, so maybe this problem was finally fixed. The Boeing 737 is a heavily used aircraft with relatively few accidents over its total airframe history.
On July 17, 1996, off Long Island, NY, TWA Flight 800 was downed by a SAM missile, either accidentally from a Navy ship during an exercise, or intentionally by a terrorist with a Stinger-type shoulder-fired missile. Jack Cashill thoroughly proved that the plane was downed by a missile from a ship, showing that at 13,700 feet (4177 m), the plane was above the range of shoulder-fired missiles. According to Jane's, the U.S. Army, and the Russians, the FIM-92B/C Stinger missile had a maximum altitude of 3,800 m and a maximum range of 4,800 m.
After 9/11, Cashill changed his story to charge the deaths of 230 passengers and crew to Ramzi Yousef. Confusing? You might think so. But anything makes more sense than the story pushed by the FAA and the NTSB about an electrical spark exploding cold fuel in the wing tank, which has never happened before or since. That same plane did not explode when lightning struck it in April, 1995.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40858
http://www.twa800.com/wndnews.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/more/twa800.html
http://www.cashill.com/TWA-Flight-800/
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41168
http://www.longislandpress.com/v01/i27030717/coverstory_01.asp
http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/jlad/jlad001013_2_n.shtml
http://www.aeronautics.ru/samus.htm
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/linebacker/
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