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Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York


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To: Grampa Dave

My question is this, what would happen if you forged a government document?






Twenty years in federal prison!!!


501 posted on 08/28/2004 11:24:25 AM PDT by Red Barr (Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief.)
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To: mabelkitty
He either did or he didn't

Uhhh, it is not quite that simple. He was head of a very large bureaucracy and does almost nothing himself.

502 posted on 08/28/2004 11:25:43 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Timeout
If Lehman's name is getting splattered, could he request release of the records behind the issuance of those citations with his signature on them?

Nope- that is how the pentagon got sued, successfully, by Linda Trip. Personal records are personal records.

503 posted on 08/28/2004 11:26:43 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AFPhys

Sen.Kerry: PLEASE SIGN STANDARD FORM 180 !!!

I think the MSM is going to drop this whole thing very soon. Hopefully Fox and the Internet can keep these questions alive.

504 posted on 08/28/2004 11:27:06 AM PDT by katnip
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To: dixiechick2000; Carl/NewsMax; Steve Malzberg; Mia T; potlatch; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; ...



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505 posted on 08/28/2004 11:27:48 AM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: Cboldt
There are quite a few examples ... I just grabbed those at random.

They seem a little elaborated , don't they? Who has time to write all that stuff up? Senators?

506 posted on 08/28/2004 11:28:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Mo1; JulieRNR21

That "vice chairman" of intel committee was not simple sloppiness. The sKerry campaign had used it with the media to prop up sKerry's intel credentials six months before, and no one, not even the excellent researchers here on FR, caught the error then.

They thought they could use it to good effect again, but this time they got caught, and even initially attempted to deny they were in error.
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507 posted on 08/28/2004 11:29:02 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Cboldt

Is there any kind of ping list on the subject of Kerry's military records/Swift vets/war stories? If so, I'd like to get on it.


508 posted on 08/28/2004 11:29:29 AM PDT by Timeout (“If John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had.”--Anonymous Vietnam Vet)
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To: Dog
You quote from www.captainsquartersblog.com:

Kerry "led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area, an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed."


Is this village Kerry supposedly burned down (rumor is that Hannity has film)?
509 posted on 08/28/2004 11:30:33 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney, too.)
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To: foreshadowed at waco
I saw this Lipscomb guy on TV last night--Scarborough maybe--he was terrific--he has been doing some real investigative journalism under the radar and deserves our respect.

Yes, he has been doing real work. See this from March:

Kerry Was Present at Dark Plot Meeting: Group Debated and Voted Down Plan To Assassinate Senators

510 posted on 08/28/2004 11:30:44 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Grampa Dave

Too lazy to check if this has already appeared in this thread:

The Best Evidence [Vanity post]
Posted by AndrewC
On News/Activism ^ 08/28/2004 10:39:50 AM PDT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1201756/posts


511 posted on 08/28/2004 11:32:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Cooter
My comment was meant to make fun of the notion that [according to Kerry] his 4 months on the swift boats is all that mattered.<<<< Who said he spent 4 months on swift boats?????????.....Something Ive always wondered about...Between in-country processing (sometimes it took a week or more)...Training (many days if not weeks>> I saw somewhere in his record it was a month in the safety of Camh Rahn Bay)... Out processing (many days if not weeks)..This piker probably didnt spent but 40-50 days ( with fewer missions!)in actual combat situations/exposure!!!...and I wouldnt doubt that this SOB got an R and R thrown in there somewhere too!!!!...Something for somebody smarter then me to check out those facts though!
512 posted on 08/28/2004 11:33:28 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: AndyJackson

Darn. But, wait a minute. Lehman wouldn't have to release them.

All he needs to do is start a heavy PR campaign saying he's getting smeared by this stuff and demand that KERRY authorize the release of all records related to why those citations were issued during Lehman's tenure. Lehman's role on the 9/11 commission just may have given him better media access than Kerry himself! If he starts hitting Kerry, the MSM will listen.

I love this story!


513 posted on 08/28/2004 11:34:10 AM PDT by Timeout (“If John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had.”--Anonymous Vietnam Vet)
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To: Grampa Dave

BTTT


515 posted on 08/28/2004 11:36:49 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: kabar

This just kicked up the temp in the pressure cooker that Kerry has put himself into.

It will be interesting to see if the MSM spikes this story or attacks John Lehman.


516 posted on 08/28/2004 11:36:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: concerned about politics
They seem a little elaborated , don't they? Who has time to write all that stuff up? Senators?

Do take a moment to visit that website, and read what the Silver Star recipients did to earn their awards. I do not think the language is elaboarated, no, I don't.

The language is written by Officers in the US Military.

517 posted on 08/28/2004 11:37:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: been_lurking
This rewritten citation is completely out of the norm, yet you want to see it as a simple administrative "sanfu". .

Since you are personally experienced in the issuing of citations, can you tell me something? Is there any legitimate reason of which you're aware that a request to re-issue a citation would result in something other than a copy of the original citation?

Thank you for your service.

518 posted on 08/28/2004 11:37:24 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Mr. K

She will not come in this year.

This implosion will take out Kerry, Kennedy and leave the Clintoons in total charge of whats left of the Rat party.


519 posted on 08/28/2004 11:38:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Cboldt
I am protecting my own credibility by not jumping to conclusions.

Actually, you jumped to the conclusion that this was routine and the language "boiler plate".

520 posted on 08/28/2004 11:39:36 AM PDT by cyncooper
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