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Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers
WinterSoldier.com ^ | September 6, 2004 | Scott Swett

Posted on 09/06/2004 8:32:59 PM PDT by Interesting Times

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.

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Steve Pitkin never intended to speak at the Winter Soldier Investigation. He agreed to come to Detroit with John Kerry and Scott Camil in January of 1971 mostly to support his fellow veterans, but also to see David Crosby and Graham Nash perform and hopefully meet a few girls. He didn’t really have any place else to go.

Unlike most members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Pitkin had seen combat in Vietnam. He was caught in a mortar attack shortly after arriving in country as a Private First Class, and suffered minor wounds to both legs. During the months that followed his injuries became infected and "jungle rot" set in. He was eventually medivaced to an Army hospital in Okinawa, where the doctors gave him anti-fungals and antibiotics, and managed to save his feet. Specialist Pitkin would leave the Army with a Purple Heart, an honorable discharge, and a lifetime case of hepatitis C from the transfusions.

Back in the States, Pitkin did not receive a hero's welcome. At Travis Air Force Base in California he was showered with feces thrown by anti-war protestors. Later, while he waited in his Class A uniform for a plane at San Francisco International Airport, people stopped to snarl obscenities and occasionally spit. Even a World War II veteran paused to come over and call him a coward. He went back home to Baltimore, but it wasn’t home any more. Steve Pitkin was 19 years old.

"I was in bad shape," Pitkin recalls. "My family was against the war, and so were all my old friends. I had things I wanted to say, but there was nobody to listen. I was angry at our government which should have known better than to let us die in a conflict it had no intention of winning, and I was furious at the American media for making us out to be baby-killers and telling lies about what they saw."

Confused and depressed, Pitkin signed up for classes at Catonsville Community College outside of Baltimore. There he met Scott Camil, who was talking up a new organization he described as a "brotherhood" of Vietnam veterans. Pitkin started going to Vietnam Veterans Against the War meetings at the campus, hoping to find some people he could talk to about his experiences. Pitkin says he "had no inkling" that VVAW leaders were meeting with North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives, or that the VVAW consistently supported their positions. He thought the VVAW was just an alternative to older organizations such as the VFW, where so many Vietnam vets felt unwelcome.

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In January of 1971, Pitkin was invited to go to Detroit for the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation," a national conference intended to convince the public that American troops were routinely committing war crimes in Vietnam. "I was just going to show support for the guys who were already picked out to testify," said Pitkin. "Fighting in the war was terrible enough -– I shot people -- but I never saw any atrocities against civilians. The Vietcong hung up tribal chiefs and disemboweled them in front of their own families –- they did that to their own people. I never saw Americans do anything like that."

The Baltimore contingent met up with other VVAW members in Washington, where they were loaded into rental vans with no back seats. It was freezing cold in Pitkin's van, and Kerry and Camil -– the two former officers -- were in the front where all the heat was, which made for a long drive. Pitkin was unimpressed with the tall, aloof Kerry, who rarely spoke to anyone other than the organization’s leaders, and tagged Kerry with the nickname "Lurch" after the Addams Family TV character. The ragtag group eventually made it to Detroit, got lost for a while, and then spent the night at somebody's house. The conference was held at a Howard Johnson’s motel, in a room Pitkin remembers as having big concrete posts and no windows, with press lights glaring down on the participants. An entourage of VVAW leaders and reporters always surrounded John Kerry, who, Pitkin thought, looked like he was running for President.

Pitkin watched for a day or so while his fellow VVAW members told stories about horrible things they claimed to have done or witnessed in Vietnam. He noticed other people, civilians, going around to the VVAW members and "bombarding them, laying on the guilt," as they told the veterans they had committed unspeakable crimes, but could make amends by testifying against the war.

On the second day of the conference, Pitkin was surrounded by a group of the event's leaders, who said they needed more witnesses and wanted him to speak. Pitkin protested that he didn’t have anything to say. Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It’s a long walk back to Baltimore." Pitkin finally agreed to "testify." The Winter Soldier leaders told Pitkin exactly what they wanted -– stories about rape, brutality, shooting prisoners, and racism. Kerry assured him that "the American people will be grateful for what you have to say."

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Many of the vets, particularly the vets participating in this panel, have expressed the fact that they could go on and on for a long time, talking about various instances of brutality, torture, rape, everything that's been talked about here for the last two days. But one thing they felt was very important and which hasn't, in a sense, been done by many of the veterans was to say why this happened. What happens to them that this happens and how these things came about. Steve Pitkin in particular felt the need to try and express something about how these men become animals in a sense. I know several of the other vets on the panel want to mention it very briefly. So Steve why don't you start off?

-- Moderator, Miscellaneous Panel, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971 [Note: the moderators for this session were VVAW founder Jan Crumb and Executive Committee member John Kerry]

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Pitkin appears several times in the documentary film "Winter Soldier," where he comes across as vague and somewhat stunned, especially while being questioned by John Kerry in a preliminary interview. He seems overwhelmed at having to relive his harrowing experiences in Vietnam. But Steve Pitkin says today that what the film actually shows are his efforts to avoid answering Kerry’s questions at all.

During the formal hearings, Pitkin started to slam the press for misrepresenting what GIs really did in Vietnam, but a woman he believes was Jane Fonda shot him an astonished look and started to stand up. Steve could see other members of the group getting ready to cut him off, so he changed course and made up a few things he thought they would be willing to accept. "Everything I said about atrocities and racism was a lie. My unit never went out with the intention of doing anything but its job. And I never saw black soldiers treated differently, get picked out for the worst or most dangerous jobs, or anything like that. There were some guys, shirkers, who would intentionally injure themselves to get sent home, so I talked about that for a while. But the fact is I lied my ass off, and I'm not proud of it. I didn't think it would ever amount to anything."

After the 3-day conference ended, everybody piled back into the vans and headed home. Nobody had much to say to Pitkin. A month or two later he was contacted by a reporter for Life Magazine who asked about war crimes and atrocities. "I didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear," said Pitkin. Nothing he said was included in the final story.

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In April, Steve Pitkin went down to Washington to check out the VVAW's weeklong "Dewey Canyon III" protest, where he "ran into a lot of guys who couldn’t answer questions about what unit they were in." At one point he met up with leftist icon Jerry Rubin, who was wrapped in a Vietcong flag. Pitkin told him to take it off. Rubin shrugged, dropped the flag, and walked away. Pitkin and two or three like-minded veterans formed a patrol, confiscating Vietcong flags and T-shirts from protestors and daring them to start something. Nobody took them up on it.

Pitkin was present for the infamous "medal toss" event on Friday, where VVAW members yelled obscenities and threats against the government into a microphone, then threw military decorations and papers over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. A guy with long hair stood nearby holding a bag filled with military ribbons and a few medals, handing them out. Pitkin noticed that most of the decorations weren't right for Vietnam combat veterans -– some, in fact, were from the Korean War -– and overheard remarks that the VVAW had cleaned out the local Army-Navy stores the day before. Disgusted, he grabbed a handful of ribbons and threw them, not at the Capitol, but at the throng of reporters crowding close to the microphone, and stalked away.

After Dewey Canyon III, Pitkin was no longer invited to VVAW meetings or events, which was fine with him. He soon went back into the military, joining the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, and graduating from paratrooper "jump school" with honors in 1976, but was unable to get back on full time active duty in the Army. Pitkin joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until his retirement in May 1997.

Steve Pitkin wants to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation. "The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."

Scott Swett
September 6, 2004
WinterSoldier.com

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Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

Steve Pitkin DD-214

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Interesting Times

Is there anyway to reach Mr. Pitkin so he can see the support he has HERE!!???


101 posted on 09/06/2004 10:01:05 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: abner
Pretty amazing isn't it?

Yep and those meetings are one thing the Kerry Camp is scared to death of being reported

102 posted on 09/06/2004 10:03:34 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Interesting Times

Thank you, Mr. Pitkin, for a moral courage of which John Kerry is not capable. I hope at the very least you'll learn of all the great people here who wish you well, and who would've wished you well had the Free Republic existed in 1971. Welcome Home.


103 posted on 09/06/2004 10:05:48 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm FredZarguna, Founder and President of Fathers United to Counter Kerry.)
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To: Interesting Times

Nice job of gathering and reporting this story! Keep up the great work!!!!


104 posted on 09/06/2004 10:06:24 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Bob J

fugim


105 posted on 09/06/2004 10:06:54 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Interesting Times; RaceBannon; Travis McGee; A.A. Cunningham; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Warrior Nurse; ...
Please hit your lists with this one boys and girls. I want you to be able to say you "saw it here first!"

Regards,

TS

106 posted on 09/06/2004 10:19:15 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: abner

It this is true, it is amazing.


107 posted on 09/06/2004 10:21:38 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Go Swifties)
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To: Interesting Times
Many of the vets, particularly the vets participating in this panel, have expressed the fact that they could go on and on for a long time, talking about various instances of brutality, torture, rape, everything that's been talked about here for the last two days. But one thing they felt was very important and which hasn't, in a sense, been done by many of the veterans was to say why this happened. What happens to them that this happens and how these things came about. Steve Pitkin in particular felt the need to try and express something about how these men become animals in a sense. I know several of the other vets on the panel want to mention it very briefly. So Steve why don't you start off?

-- Moderator, Miscellaneous Panel, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971 [Note: the moderators for this session were VVAW founder Jan Crumb and Executive Committee member John Kerry]

This is absolutely my favorite part of the article. Excellent work! You make it plain who it is - without actually saying so!

Impressive! The Washington Times may be calling you!

Regards,

TS

108 posted on 09/06/2004 10:21:39 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: JohnHuang2

BIG ole ping to you!!!


109 posted on 09/06/2004 10:25:07 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: TheCrusader

Your are very correct. My late Vietnam Vet husband was refused a membership in the American Legion because they told him he was NOT welcome because he wasn't in a REAL WAR. I will never forget that as long as I live. I cry often over what he went thru. He is with God now and has Peace. John Kerry is unfit for command. He's a traitor.


110 posted on 09/06/2004 10:30:33 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Bush/Cheney / 4 more years)
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To: Lovergirl

Grrrrrrr.....


Bless you girl


111 posted on 09/06/2004 10:34:12 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: doug from upland; Mia T; ALOHA RONNIE; jwalsh07; abner

ping!


112 posted on 09/06/2004 10:38:05 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

113 posted on 09/06/2004 10:38:40 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Lovergirl

Yes, God bless you and your wonderful husband. I'm
sure he's right there with the Lord planning the
second coming. Wow - it will be wonderful!


114 posted on 09/06/2004 10:39:19 PM PDT by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: Lovergirl
I and his Brothers and Sisters WILL avenge your husband Nov 2

This I vow
115 posted on 09/06/2004 10:42:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Lovergirl
I am so sorry to read that, so sorry for the pain you both went through. I was with an older cousin of mine over the weekend who became red faced and angry over the lies he was told and the lies he believed during the late 1960s. He told me he wasted almost two decades of his life seeing everything through the prism of Viet Nam politics. But what made him really angry was that he took a side that hurt so many honorable men. As my grandfather once told me, sometimes doing the right thing seems to have no rewards, but doing the wrong thing casts a long and painful shadow, even when you are the only one who knows.
116 posted on 09/06/2004 10:46:49 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: Interesting Times; Bob J; All
September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam. After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here


Kerry's disrespect in 1971 to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media .......... Real Player .......... Quick Time .......... AOL

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense
arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

Free online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!


NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."


Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

John F. Kerry Timeline of a traitor

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Kerry's disrespect in 1971
to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.wmv

Real Player
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.rm

Quick Time
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mov

AOL
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mpg

Send this url for the online "The New Soldier" version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/




117 posted on 09/06/2004 10:52:01 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You are THE MAN Tonk!


118 posted on 09/06/2004 10:53:19 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Bob J

I'm posting on "other forums" as we "speak"

They are in a state of shock and denial


119 posted on 09/06/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You linked to the Pitkin affadavit instead of the story...


120 posted on 09/06/2004 10:58:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks.. My husband was a kind a gentle man. He carried many scars emotionally. He really loathed John Kerry.


121 posted on 09/06/2004 10:59:16 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Bush/Cheney / 4 more years)
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To: Lovergirl

He loathed Jane Fonda too.


122 posted on 09/06/2004 11:02:08 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Bush/Cheney / 4 more years)
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To: Lovergirl
"I cry often over what he went thru. He is with God now and has Peace."

I'm sorry for your loss of your husband, he was surely a good man and a brave soldier. God's peace and blessings to you.

123 posted on 09/06/2004 11:02:35 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Interesting Times

Excellent find! Thanks from a Vietnam vet.

His testimony at wintersoldier was a lie, and it was coerced. This must be published in all available media.

Those who lied willingly will never come forth, but others may have been deceived or coerced.


124 posted on 09/06/2004 11:05:36 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Interesting Times; Bob J; Jim Robinson; The Shrew; Nick Danger; diotima
You've done it! Applause and congratulations Interesting Times! You make us PROUD! I have already sent off part of this article and links to our Seattle radio station. BTTT

WinterSoldier.com BUMP!

125 posted on 09/06/2004 11:09:04 PM PDT by Libertina (Thank God we have President Bush in the White House.)
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To: Interesting Times; CyberCowboy777; Chad Fairbanks

This is BIG! Pings, please, Cyber :) BTTT


126 posted on 09/06/2004 11:09:46 PM PDT by Libertina (Thank God we have President Bush in the White House.)
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To: Interesting Times

I appreciate very much the work you've been doing with this. I don't think I ever realized how bad Kerry actually was.

It does my heart good to see this guy Pitkin clear his concience on this subject. I like it that the vets are having a chance to give Kerry some massive pay-back. If as I suspect, Kerry's role in that meeting where assassinations were discussed, does come out in the next few weeks, I don't see how it could help but end his political career.

That would be very fitting. This man does not deserve to hold an honored position in our government.

Do to Kerry's actions, many Vietnam vets lives were literally ruined. I can't imagine anything more fitting than for Kerry to be disgraced nationally, known for all time as the communist North Vietnamese shill that he was.

Thank God for the Swift Boat Vets. Thank God for people like you, who have the energy to do what you are doing.

Great job. Keep up the good work.


127 posted on 09/06/2004 11:14:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Rabid Dog

Really appreciate this ping.
Heartwrenching story.


128 posted on 09/06/2004 11:14:43 PM PDT by b9 ("I'm mad as ZELL!" ::: Howlin:::)
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To: Interesting Times; All
To read the latest on the Franchurian Candidate's bizzare exploits, click the picture, goto "last," and work backwards:

Take a look at these three short video clips, especially the last one. You will walk away with a heavy heart.

POW'S TELL ABOUT TORTURE

129 posted on 09/06/2004 11:16:19 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Bob J

Thanks for the MEGA-PING. I don't answer regular pings.

Great report.


130 posted on 09/06/2004 11:18:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Interesting Times

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers,
Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation
who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony
about American atrocities in Vietnam.
After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness"
to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

Steve Pitkin DD-214
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinWSI

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)
http://www.wintersoldier.com/video/pitkin2.wmv

These url's need broad distribution ASAP!


131 posted on 09/06/2004 11:19:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Interesting Times

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1208909/posts?page=131#131

This is what I posting on "other boards"

Enough to get attention

They won't read a story, they will go straight to the affadavit


132 posted on 09/06/2004 11:22:29 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: mattdono

Well said, I agree. He has spent his time in hell, and has redeemed himself by exposing the lies. Late found, but guts, nonetheless.


133 posted on 09/06/2004 11:33:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota--I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

FYI I'm watching the Toledo Blade reporters on Hannity and Colmes...The Times exaggerated their reporting on these 18 who committed atrocities "to commomplace"...shades of Kerry...(Colmes didn't get the report he was wanting)


134 posted on 09/06/2004 11:49:39 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; Smartass; Happy2BMe; devolve; Grampa Dave; onyx; potlatch; ...

135 posted on 09/06/2004 11:56:07 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Always a place for that posting on every thread.


136 posted on 09/06/2004 11:58:43 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
They won't read a story, they will go straight to the affadavit

Lots of people read stories. Many stories are posted here every day, and people do in fact read them.

The story is the key item here. The affadavit and other materials exist to support the story. If you're going to post links on every thread, please include the story which is the central point of the whole thing.

Thanks, I.T.

137 posted on 09/06/2004 11:58:56 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Yaelle

The communists infiltrated and eventually took over leadership of the VVAW in the 70s....The communists are great "organizers" and know how to use propaganda...They take a legitimate cause like civil rights and turn it into the direction they want it to go.

I do not believe being anti war is an illegitimate cause(thouh I disagree)..but the communists and socialists come in and change it into something more..It becomes the symbol for ideas I deplore and uses slogans that I despise..

The anti war protests here had a variety of people attending and it did not seem to matter to them that the buses were chartered, plans were made by Socialists...The same is true of many anti Bush organizations...there is a tie to international "progressives"..

There are socialists, communists and the useful idiots.We have a lot of useful idiots in the US.

The reds are not dead..They just organize under new names.


138 posted on 09/07/2004 12:08:40 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Interesting Times

Saved for reference.


139 posted on 09/07/2004 12:11:50 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Interesting Times


September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam. After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.


Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here


Kerry's disrespect in 1971 to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media .......... Real Player .......... Quick Time .......... AOL

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense
arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

Free online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!


NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."


Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

John F. Kerry Timeline of a traitor

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Kerry's disrespect in 1971
to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.wmv

Real Player
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.rm

Quick Time
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mov

AOL
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mpg

Send this url for the online "The New Soldier" version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/




140 posted on 09/07/2004 12:16:09 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Much better... thanks.


141 posted on 09/07/2004 12:17:25 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; ...

Ping...


142 posted on 09/07/2004 12:19:05 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: armymarinemom
You only left out the part about the media not being subject to the same rules they want the sheeple subject to.

They, of course, are superior and need not abide...(end sarcasm). Most newsreaders are disgusting, anyway.

143 posted on 09/07/2004 12:20:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota--I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!)
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To: JohnHuang2

138 on propaganda.


144 posted on 09/07/2004 12:28:24 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: FesterUSMC

Good new information...and 138 on the commie infiltration.


145 posted on 09/07/2004 12:35:18 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: PhilDragoo

AMEN!


146 posted on 09/07/2004 12:51:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Contrary to belief, the artillery do not believe they're God. They just borrowed his "Smite" button)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

In case you missed this article...great info


147 posted on 09/07/2004 12:51:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: luv2ski
His is a really sad story. He was rejected by his family friends, even by strangers. It is awful to think about the way Viet Nam vets were treated on their return"

And Kerry is a lying snake to have used people to advance his Anti War Pro-Communist agenda. I hope all the talk shows will cover this.

It's good that Mr. Pitikin set the record straight. He should watch out though , Kerry and the lefty goons are going to trash him like they've been trashing the Swift boat vets.

I swear Kerry is the walking definition of the term "Limousine Liberal"

148 posted on 09/07/2004 1:00:22 AM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: Interesting Times

I can't wait to see Rather or Brokaw cover this story....


149 posted on 09/07/2004 1:01:14 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Is there anyway to reach Mr. Pitkin so he can see the support he has HERE!!???

Thank you Mr. Pitkin. I would like to know, how many of the Winder Soldier testimonies have been proven to be true.
150 posted on 09/07/2004 1:26:55 AM PDT by igoramus987
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