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THE CBS PAPERS (more damming evidence!)
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 09/10/04 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by TonyInOhio

THE CBS PAPERS [Jed Babbin]

I spoke to Col. Bill Campenni (USAF ret) earlier this morning. As I've written before, Campenni was a member of the President's squadron and flew with him often. Campenni told me that there are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated now -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:

1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;

2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;

3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?

4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.

5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.

If, as it appears, someone faked these papers they did a bad job of it. I can tell you that in the early to mid-1970's when I was on active duty, the active service didn't have anything fancier than the earliest models of the IBM Selectric typewriter, and many offices didn't even have those. The reserves and national guard had our cast-offs, so it's terribly unlikely they could have produced anything as fancy as these papers. (Is it just my imagination, or is Dan Rather's nose growing longer every day?)


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; campenni; cbsbull; cheney; documentforgerygate; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; itisspelleddamn; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; rather; ratherbiased; ratherforgerygate; rathergate; spellcheckisafriend
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Who could have produced such an amateurish smear? I smell a Clintonista "helping out" the Kerry campaign. :)
1 posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:36 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

This is DNC amateur hour here!


2 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:02 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: TonyInOhio
I smell a Clintonista "helping out" the Kerry campaign. :)

I smell a I Clintonista helping out the Hillary campaign.

3 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:13 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: TonyInOhio

"Who could have produced such an amateurish smear? I smell a Clintonista "helping out" the Kerry campaign."


I heard George Steph. say that (paraphrasing) the "Kerry camp" is possibly thinking that the WH may have altered them!

Whatever...


4 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:34 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: TonyInOhio

Psst! Mr Kerry, look for someone with a large forehead or a snake in your campaign staff..


5 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:35 AM PDT by hflynn
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6 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:37 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: TonyInOhio

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096


7 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:43 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: TonyInOhio

I think it was this guy Robert Strong. The snip below is from CBS's own article.


Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, also believes the documents are genuine.

"They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don't see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."


8 posted on 09/10/2004 7:59:54 AM PDT by Slicksadick (He's French. His hairdresser also grooms poodles. He's a rich woman's pet. That cover's it)
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To: TonyInOhio

Great points - forward to all media and Rush!


9 posted on 09/10/2004 8:00:01 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: TonyInOhio
CBS, RATHER, KERRY, and all "Koolaid" RATS will pay dearly for this fraud on the President and the American public!
10 posted on 09/10/2004 8:00:40 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: TonyInOhio; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Jed Babbin Ping...........

11 posted on 09/10/2004 8:00:44 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: TonyInOhio

Yeah, but the pictures sure look real:

There's a lot being discovered this morning!:

CBS 60 Minutes Uncovers Incriminating PHOTOS of Bush in Alabama '73
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1211726/posts


12 posted on 09/10/2004 8:00:56 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: TonyInOhio

The party that loathes the military has just been crushed by their policies and procedures.
Ironic.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 8:01:36 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: TonyInOhio

This was probably created by a lower level left wing scum bag with a hate GW blog.

Like the Wilson/Plame lies, it set on the back burner. The rats planned to use it for their October Surprise with the Kitty Kelly lies.

In an act of panic due to Kerry's plunge in the polls, the left wing lunatics and their buddies at CBS ran with this pack of lies. Like the Wilson/Plame blogging lies, it has exploded on them.


14 posted on 09/10/2004 8:01:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: TonyInOhio

My husband brought up something interesting yesterday, he wondered how much CBS had paid for the documents. I didn't even think of this angle.

Could the forgeries be motivated by money as well as Bush-hatred?


15 posted on 09/10/2004 8:01:55 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: TonyInOhio

If the Kerry campaign can't even forge decent documents, how can we trust them to run the government?


16 posted on 09/10/2004 8:02:18 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: TonyInOhio
This just keeps getting better hour by hour!
17 posted on 09/10/2004 8:02:34 AM PDT by IrishGOP (Freedom is on the march!)
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To: TonyInOhio

18 posted on 09/10/2004 8:04:27 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: gopwinsin04

Bwhaaaa haaaaa,


19 posted on 09/10/2004 8:04:54 AM PDT by greylurker (Another Biloxi Pinger for Bush)
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To: TonyInOhio
KERRY CAMPAIGN FINDS ITS STRIDE


20 posted on 09/10/2004 8:04:58 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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