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Slime Time Live (Possible clue to source of CBS Story)
Newsweek ^ | Sept. 20 issue | Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff

Posted on 09/12/2004 12:26:09 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

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To: Anti-Bubba182

121 posted on 09/12/2004 10:35:38 AM PDT by babbabooey
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I remember typing on an early 70's Selectric -- I was a temporary typist then, in the days of carbon paper and white out -- and I remember that some letters were allotted less space than others. So if you made a mistake and had to insert a "little" letter like an "i", it was easy to do. In other words, no justified spacing. And no elevated "th" or "nd".


122 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:13 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand".)
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To: NEPA

Very excellent point.
How many Army people have access to Air Force files?


123 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:38 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: nonkultur
I did some more checking and it appears Burkett was TANG. But why would he be working for the Dept of the Army as one article says. Also, Army Guard units are activated as a unit, only Reserves can activiate individuals. I would think it's the same for Air Force Guard/Reserve.

Plus I don't get his medical expenses not being covered while on active duty. I know from experience the Army Reserve hates paying medical bills for injuries/illness sustained on temporary active duty but this guy was sent to Panama. It doesn't make sense his bills weren't paid.

124 posted on 09/12/2004 10:51:27 AM PDT by NEPA (The MSM is the PR wing of the DNC.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Just about everyone has a computer today or has access to one, and a high percentage of the Windows and Mac boxes have MS Word on them. So it is not a stretch to think that Bill Burkett or someone in his family could have done these forgeries.


125 posted on 09/12/2004 11:10:05 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: NEPA

I am confused as to wich "department" of the guard he was in at the time of the "cleansing"


126 posted on 09/12/2004 11:10:13 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Howlin
He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

The election is over.

127 posted on 09/12/2004 11:13:42 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: NEPA

Army National Guard.

http://www.3rdcoa.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/htmlopinion.asp?OpinionId=10979

Bill Burkett, a retired Lieutenant Colonel in the Texas Army National Guard, brought a personal injury action against appellees, William Goodwin, Jackie Taliaferro, and Archie Meador, all of whom were his superior officers. (1) Burkett appeals from the trial court's order dismissing his lawsuit. While Burkett sets out his appellate issue as "whether the court below erred in granting summary judgment to the defendants-appellees," he raises the following contention in the argument portion of his brief: Because he commenced his claims against the appellees in their individual capacities only, (1) his claims were justiciable in a civilian court and (2) the appellees were not entitled to statutory immunity under Texas Government Code section 431.085; therefore, the court erred in dismissing his lawsuit. See Tex. Gov't Code Ann. § 431.085(a) (West 1998). We will liberally construe Burkett's brief and will focus our review on this contention. See Tex. R. App. P. 38.9. We will affirm the trial court's order of dismissal.


128 posted on 09/12/2004 11:14:36 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Howlin
"Ben Barnes.
Bill Burkett.
Bill Moyers.
Paul Begala.
John Moore.
Dan Rather's daughter.
Dan Rather."

What is that, a taxonomy of excrement?

129 posted on 09/12/2004 11:14:41 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: rootntootn
Memogate is irrelevant.

What!?! Are you kidding? Memogate is worse than Watergate! The DNC in collusion with CBS using fabricated documents to bring down a sitting president during war time is VERY SERIOUS.

130 posted on 09/12/2004 11:16:05 AM PDT by hobson
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To: rolling_stone
Well one would think if Burkett (a retired Lt.Col.)had his hand or processor in these docs he would know how to abbreviate Lt.Col. of course that could be just to throw the dogs off the scent...

A fundamental rule that officers get taught early on is not to try to operate the equipment. Officer's in those days did not type. Typing was done by trained administrative personnel, who would automatically have typed things in the correct format with the correct titles, etc. Burkett could easily have done things in a nonstandard way because he would not, himself, have known what the stadard way was. Having done it, however, every officer out there can say that these don't look right, and every admin specialist can weigh in that I would never have typed something that looked like that.

131 posted on 09/12/2004 11:18:36 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: nonkultur
So how does an Army guy have access to Air Force records? And a personal injury lawsuit? I thought his illness was duty related.

I think Burkett must be some kind of nut with a huge (hugh?) chip on his shoulder, exactly the kind of person who would tell whoppers (Bush's people came to the office to destroy records) and compose bad forgeries.

Mystery solved.

132 posted on 09/12/2004 11:21:24 AM PDT by NEPA (The MSM is the PR wing of the DNC.)
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To: rootntootn
Memogate is irrelevant.

So was Watergate. But it is essential for CBS to be held accountable for this, regardless of its effect on the election. A felony has been committed here, and CBS is complicit.

At the point they received the memos they might have believed they were genuine. However, having heard from a dozen or more typography experts, some university professors who helped invent word processing, CBS need to fess up. The fact that they refuse even to investigate makes them accessories to a felony.

133 posted on 09/12/2004 11:27:15 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Mo1
If you have been saving stuff then you might have something on Marty Heldt and his (I think ) website coldfeet.com , both of Clinton Iowa.

He has been behind many of the FOIA action to get DOD documents.

Has written pieces for Salon.com also.
134 posted on 09/12/2004 11:33:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Well, it is not entirely certain that they are authentic.

There's an understatement for you.

135 posted on 09/12/2004 11:36:57 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: weegee
This was a DNC coordinated attack in 2000. It was a DNC coordinated attack in February. It's a DNC coordinated attack now --- they even have a name for it "Operation Fortunate Son".

Look at the facts --- Senators Bob Kerrey, Inouye and Cleland held a press conference in November 2000. This Bill Burkett guy surfaced shortly thereafter, hiring a PR firm to get out his message and claiming no links to the Gore campaign.

Terry McAulliffe made his "Bush AWOL" statement on February 1, 2004. Who follows up on the attack? Former Senator Cleland. And who magically appears later in the month, after the Bush-Russert interview? This Bill Burkett guy. He surfaced on CNN and in other places.

Howard Wolfson is dispatched from the Kerry campaign to the DNC to launch "Operation Fortunate Son" after Labor Day. This Bill Burkett guy is surfaces again.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I don't think these are mere coincidences. I smell a rat.
136 posted on 09/12/2004 11:50:02 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: js1138
My little attempt at Buckhead #47 fame:

Bill Burkett is the source of the forged memos. I doubt that he wrote them, and he definitely didn't have them prior to the 2000 election, or he would have released them then. Instead, he has been used to get obvious forgeries accepted by the left wing press.

So, my theory is that someone read his discredited story about people cleansing Bush's National Guard records in 1997, specifically about seeing memos that were negative with respect to George Bush thrown in the trash can. Now, this story was widely reported in 2000 and widely discredited by everyone that Burkett mentioned as beeing involved in his conspiracy theory.

So someone decided to "create" the memos that Burkett had mentioned and pass them on to him, knowing that if he delivered the memos, the lame stream press would consider them real because of his stories from 2000. Especially someone as partisan and ignorant as Dan Rather.

Notice the title of the June 24,1973 and August 1, 1973 memos is "SUBJECT: Bush, George W. 1st Lt". Then check out this story from CNN from February 13,2004:

Guardsman says he saw Bush's Guard records in trash.

Specifically, see this quote from the article:

"I glanced down at the top of those documents. In ink was the word 'Bush, George W., 1 Lt.' This was a performance report. I was right at the trash can. I filtered through the top five or six pages in that, and they were all copies and originals of old performance documents and pay records for 'Bush, George W., 1 Lt.".

So now, CBS comes up with 6 memos supposedly critical of Bush. I say supposedly, because they are not really critical in my opinion, but could be spun that way by the Democratic 527 known as the Main Stream Media.

Some not too clever partisan took this one of these media stories about Burkett and decided to help Burkett produce some documents. Given the credibility hits that Burkett has taken over his discredited story, he was only too happy to believe they were real. Given John Kerry's floundering campaign, serial liar Terry McAuliffe and phony Vietnam Vet Tom Harkin were only too happy to believe these forgeries would hurt Bush. Given Dan Rather's total lack of credibility, he was only too happy to help pass them on to the public.

Unfortunately, Buckhead was rightly skeptical from the start, and the MSM couldn't shut down the discussion on the internet.

So, I expect to see some admission in the coming week that Burkett is the source of these memos. Hopefully, someone in the MSM will ask why he was able to produce these memos now, but not when he made these charges 4 years ago or anytime since.

137 posted on 09/12/2004 12:06:35 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Ernest_at_the_Beach
From: http://steveverdon.com/archives/politics/001110.html
Of the files that I saw within the 15 gallon waste can were numerous documents which detailed why 1LT George Bush was grounded from flying including a two-page counseling statement signed by LTC Jerry Killian.

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Posted by: Bill Burkett on August 14, 2004 04:27 PM

FYI ...
138 posted on 09/12/2004 12:07:07 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Anti-Bubba182
If he is the source, it's implausible on its face.

When I was in command I kept what I suppose you could call a "personal file" - a desk drawer where I would toss things like records of counseling or other informal actions, in case I might need them later. But when you change command you clean all that out and leave your successor with nothing but a desk, office supplies and the unit records.

If I wanted to keep the stuff (and why would I?) I would've had to take it home, because the military does not maintain "personal files" for officers. I mean it's not like a commander is the same as the President and the military is like the freakin' National Archives. The idea that anyone other than the family would have had the officer's personal files is silly on its face.

139 posted on 09/12/2004 12:08:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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To: rocklobster11; Howlin

Ping to post numbers 138 and 137 respectively ...


140 posted on 09/12/2004 12:09:47 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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