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YOO-HOO DAN RATHER! Is a clinton discharge upgrade "pardon" behind kerry refusal to sign form 180?
9.20.04 | Mia T

Posted on 09/20/2004 3:44:51 AM PDT by Mia T

YOO-HOO DAN RATHER!

KERRY'S BELATED "HONORABLE" DISCHARGE:
Is a less-than-honorable discharge and clinton "pardon" behind Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 to release ALL of his records?
(Pres. Bush signed form 180. WHAT IS KERRY HIDING?)

 

Looking for:

  1. material related to Kerry's likely less-than-honorable discharge and the apparent 2001 discharge upgrade "pardon" by clinton

  2. audio of Kerry claiming to have released or claiming that he intends to release all his military and/or medical records

PLEASE FREEP-MAIL OR POST ON THIS THREAD ALL RELEVANT LINKS.
THX.

A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?bump

 

 

THE INTERMINABLE clintons
(It's time to take out the trash... A Senate en passant capture is THE MOVE...)

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johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

 

 

"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I, and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us," says former Vietnam POW Paul Galanti, a highly decorated Navy combat pilot.

Galanti flew 97 combat missions over Vietnam before being shot down and held at the notorious Hanoi Hilton for seven years -- including while Kerry testified.

"SELLOUT"
(click to see Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Ad #2)


 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The United States Constitution
Amendment 14, Section 3



UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO


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Now that the Kerry team has again raised the issue of President Bush service in the Texas Air National Guard they should be held to answer the question below outlined by Mr. Steve Nash, US Navy, Retired. If Kerry would release all of his Military records, this issue could be put to bed.

"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director

Authentin SEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy Seals" http://www.authentiseal.org

Military Record

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it'because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!

This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct,and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5). Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year,and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country,especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his not more than 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." ...........................................end..............

Kerry not Honorably Discharged?
"Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director | 18 Sep 2004




TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ammo; form180; honorabledischarge; johnkerry; kerrybio; napalminthemorning; opportunist; rathergate; sedition; traitor; treason; unconstitutional; vietnam; wot

1 posted on 09/20/2004 3:44:51 AM PDT by Mia T
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To: WorkingClassFilth; jla; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Wolverine; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; ...

PING


2 posted on 09/20/2004 3:47:35 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: jla
RATHERGATE IS ANOTHER WATERGATE: The Nexus(computer-generated superscript) bump

3 posted on 09/20/2004 3:51:00 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Donate to Swift Boat Vets for the Truth HERE.
Sign Petition against CBS & Dan Rather HERE.
My Campaign Button Page
and My Toons Page [Updated 9-18 / 6:20PM CST]

4 posted on 09/20/2004 3:52:28 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Mia T

time has come today to run with it .... the 180 form Kerry refuses to sign


5 posted on 09/20/2004 3:54:29 AM PDT by dennisw (There)
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To: Mia T

Great research to back up your questions Mia T. Thanks once again.


6 posted on 09/20/2004 3:54:58 AM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
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To: Mia T

Bump!


7 posted on 09/20/2004 3:58:02 AM PDT by snopercod (I have no interest in streamlining government or making it more efficient, I mean to reduce its size)
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To: Mia T

Nice work....


8 posted on 09/20/2004 4:00:07 AM PDT by joesnuffy (JFKerry is dumber than a homemade radio...the kind with hand carved wooden tubes)
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To: sonofatpatcher2; All

 

RATHERGATE IS ANOTHER WATERGATE: The Nexus
So where are the grand juries, special prosecutors + indictments, anyway? (HEY! Where are the calls for them?)


by Mia T, 9.18.04



Bill Burkett, the former Texas National Guard officer who has been caught up in the mystery of how CBS News acquired memos that seem to question President Bush's Vietnam-era National Guard service, unsuccessfully offered information and advice to help the Kerry campaign attack Mr. Bush, according to a posting Mr. Burkett wrote in an e-mail newsletter.

"I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday," Mr. Burkett wrote on Aug. 21 in an e-mail letter circulated to a list of about 600 Texas Democrats.

He complained that he had to "get through seven layers of bureaucratic kids trying to get a job after the election."

"I talked with Max Cleland," Mr. Burkett continued, referring to the former senator from Georgia who has been supporting Senator John Kerry's Democratic presidential bid.

Alluding to advertisements by a veterans group that deprecates Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service, Mr. Burkett continued, "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack."

"So I gave them the information to do it with," Mr. Burkett wrote. "But none of them have called me back."

Mr. Burkett did not say what information he offered. Earlier this year, he gained attention for saying that in 1998 he saw aides to Gov. George W. Bush of Texas and Guard officials dispose of pieces of Mr. Bush's National Guard record that could prove politically embarrassing. Mr. Bush's aides have denied his account.

"I volunteered to come back out with more," Mr. Burkett wrote.

Mr. Burkett, who was at home on his ranch in Baird, near Abilene, on Friday, declined to comment.

Mr. Cleland said in a telephone interview that Mr. Burkett called him "a couple of weeks ago," as he was out campaigning for Mr. Kerry.

"I couldn't swear to it whether he used the term documents or information," Mr. Cleland said. "It was some kind of stuff, some kind of information he wanted to get to the campaign, or something, regarding Bush's National Guard service. I referred him up to somebody in the campaign."

Texan Involved in CBS Report Tried to Help Kerry Campaign
The New York Times | 9/16/04 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and JIM RUTENBERG

Remarkably, Cleland did not become an embittered man when John Kerry's self-inflicted, bacitracin + bandaid-treated, tickets-out-of-Vietnam-and-onto-the-JFK-career-path scratches were deemed worthy of three purple hearts while his three missing limbs were deemed worthy of none; this, even after insult was added to injury when he was dispatched to Texas to lend his phantom limbs to Kerry's self-serving cause....

If Max Cleland lost nobility last week, John Kerry lost any semblance of decency. Harnessing and fomenting Max Cleland's denial and bitterness, Kerry sought finally to bring to fruition his cynical 1971 scheme that would shamelessly exploit a crippled vet for his own self-aggrandizing purposes.

Mia T
EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND

EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND


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CARL BERNSTEIN: RATHERGATE MAY BE ANOTHER WATERGATE


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YOO-HOO DAN RATHER!
KERRY'S BELATED "HONORABLE" DISCHARGE:
Is a less-than-honorable discharge and clinton "pardon" behind Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 to release ALL of his records?

RATHERGATE IS ANOTHER WATERGATE: The Nexus

CARL BERNSTEIN: RATHERGATE MAY BE ANOTHER WATERGATE

CLUELESS: O'REILLY AND PODHORETZ ON RATHERGATE

THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED

HEAR THE FIRST VEEP DEBATE NOW! (the whole ball of wax)
CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL
KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE

KERRY'S VIETNAM FIXATION
PART 1: advice from bill

Kerry's new W offensive

YOO-HOO! UNDECIDEDS + "PERSUADABLES"
HEAR THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HEAR

(WHY INFORMED, RATIONAL DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH)

DECONSTRUCTING ZELL MILLER

EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND

Kerry is UNFIT #21: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
BOARDHEAD TO THE RESCUE


The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)


Kerry is UNFIT #20: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
PREEMPTION-
(the whole ball of wax)

CONTEMPLATING KERRY'S "GUT"

A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
...BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?


getting kerry's goat
john kerry lacks presidential temperament

Two Psychologists on Kerry: Dangerous on National Security

YOO-HOO! followthemoney.org. . .
OVER HERE!

"bombastic ass" is not the antidote to "boorish ass"
(or why Keith Olbermann Cannot Do Cleanup for Chris Matthews)

UNFIT #19:
JOHN KERRY'S "MORE SENSITIVE WAR ON TERROR"

THE COMPLEAT JOHN KERRY
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

Kerry, NOT Bush, paralyzed by 9/11 attacks
Hear Kerry admit he could not think

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 3
UNFIT #10: 9/10 mindset


THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 2
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]


THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES1

dox in sox on lummox in box on fox

THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)

Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that

"Hope is on the way!" (the scoop)

THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects


A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists

ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES: 8/10/04 UPDATE!
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief


JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief


UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO


UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?


UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists


sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation


"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD

pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic

USEFUL IDIOTS

MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE

The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL


JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans


bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"

vetting missus clinton...

The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick

nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)

Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content

"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?


DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')

The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance


What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?

giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS


Q ERTY6 utter failureBUMP
Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism

MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror

(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)
The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)
UDAY: "The end is near… this time I think the… Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."
 
 

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9 posted on 09/20/2004 4:02:59 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: LBKQ; mountaineer

Interesting stuff.


10 posted on 09/20/2004 4:04:12 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Proud to be associated with pajama wearing news gatherers)
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To: Mia T

ping


11 posted on 09/20/2004 4:17:53 AM PDT by southland (Dan rather cost kerry the electionin 43 more days!!!)
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To: Mia T
Possibly this is the reason behind "Memogate": copies of Kerry's real military records have been smuggled out of the military files by a conservative "Deep Throat".

The Kerry campaign discovers they're going to be released in October, and responds by putting together a scheme to have Rather air bogus Bush files

After a month of "fake document" talk, any disclosure of Kerry's records would be met by cries of "See?! The fake document fad is epidemic in campaigns! We must do something to stop it!

This was pointed out earlier by another freeper, but I thought I'd repeat it, as it seems one of the few logical explanations for "Memogate"

12 posted on 09/20/2004 4:24:13 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Mia T

<< My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.


This will blow up in his face before October 15th. >>

While then Lt George Walker Bush was flying circuits and bumps in the dreadful Delta Dagger, the traitor, Kerry, was being trailed around the clock by an FBI surveillance team which built up a massive file on his un-and-anti-American activities -- including but not limited to his treasonous foreign meetings with and offering aid and comfort to America's enemies in time of war and his attendance at a series of meetings at which the murder of Senators and others was discussed.

Check with Gary Aldrich. While Kerry's gang fantasize President Bush's "record" and fabulize Kerry's -- Mr Aldrich browses a stack of very very real FBI records that quite clearly reveal Kerry as the traitor he always was -- and is still!

Blessings -- B A


13 posted on 09/20/2004 4:25:19 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thnk God, a hyphenated American: An AMERICAN-American - AND a Dollar-a-Day FReeper! 2XBlessed!)
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To: Mia T

Bush bump


14 posted on 09/20/2004 4:25:33 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Judge Greer allows violations of Florida Statutes)
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To: Mia T
Join the petition:

John Kerry, sign the Form 180.

http://www.SignForm180.com

15 posted on 09/20/2004 4:28:23 AM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: SauronOfMordor
"Possibly this is the reason behind "Memogate": copies of Kerry's real military records have been smuggled out of the military files by a conservative "Deep Throat".....

I believe we may now know what the Swift Boat Veteran's October Surprise is....
16 posted on 09/20/2004 4:30:34 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Mia T

<< After a month of "fake document" talk, any disclosure of Kerry's records would be met by cries of "See?! The fake document fad is epidemic in campaigns! We must do something to stop it! >>

The whole Vietnam issue is but a cynical re-running of the Clitons' hugely successful Monica Lewinsky gambit.

All obsess over Vietnam/Lewinsky and the Cli'toons and Kerry -- ostensibly the subjects of all of the obsession -- get a free pass on the big stuff.

On everything that matters.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 4:31:04 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thnk God, a hyphenated American: An AMERICAN-American - AND a Dollar-a-Day FReeper! 2XBlessed!)
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To: Iowa Granny

" Would you be my friend Dan?"

18 posted on 09/20/2004 4:33:50 AM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: Beckwith

thx.


19 posted on 09/20/2004 4:34:11 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Brian Allen
The election bottom line is this:
HEAR THE FIRST VEEP DEBATE NOW! (the whole ball of wax)
CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL
KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE


 
 
CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL

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KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN 'SURVIVAL' DEBATE

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"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today on November 2nd, we make the right choice because if we make the wrong choice, the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war."

Dick Cheney

"We were not at war in the 1990s."

John Kerry

  • "I think there's been an exaggeration; [President Bush] has exaggerated the threat of terrorism. There needs to be a refocusing. They are really misleading all of America... in a profound way."

  • "The War on Terror is less... is occasionally military but it's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation."

  • "The Bush Administration is so entralled by the idea of preemption and American military might. This is the consequence of the policy that regards legitimacy as largely a product of force and victory as primarily a triump of arms."

  • "A threat that is real and imminent. That is the only justificatiion for going to war."

John Kerry


"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?

If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.

Trusting in [their] sanity and restraint... is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

George Bush

"Dick Cheney's fear tactics crossed the line. What it says to the American people: 'If you go to the polls in November and elect anyone else but us and another terrorist attack occurs, it's your fault.' This is un-American. Except the truth is and proves once again that they'll do anything and say anything to keep their jobs. Protecting the American people from terrorist attacks and from vicious terrorists is not a Republican issue and is not a Democratic issue. It's an American issue and George Bush and Dick Cheney should know that.

John Edwards

 

 

 

et's get real, people. Universal health care schemes or abortion-friendly justices have little utility if we're blown to bits.

There is a reason lifelong liberal Democrats like the former Mayor of New York, Ed Koch, and the Hollywood actor, Ron Silver, who agree with George Bush on absolutely nothing domestically, are not only voting this November for a Republican presidential candidate for the first time in their lives--they are, in fact, campaigning vigorously for his reelection.

Ed Koch and Ron Silver are supporting George Bush because they know what all rational, informed voters know--only one issue matters in this, the first post-9/11 presidential election: Who would better prosecute the War on Terror, George Bush or John Kerry?

The choice could not be more clear.


THE LETHAL DIFFERENCE: THE BUSH DOCTRINE v. THE NEO-NEOLIBERAL, ANIMAL FARM MENTALITY

 

THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX

This difference is the whole ball of wax, people.
No less than Western Civilization hangs in the balance.

When terrorists declare war on you and commit acts of war against you, you are perforce at war.
At that point, you have only one decision to make:
Do you fight?
Or do you surrender?

Bush chose fight.
clinton and Kerry -- repeatedly and invariably -- chose surrender.

KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN THE DEBATE

In an effort to shut down debate on this issue -- clearly a losing one for Kerry-Edwards -- John Edwards labeled Cheney's warning "un-American."

I have news for the two Johns. Nothing is more American than acting to preserve, protect and defend America. And nothing is more un-American than thwarting that effort.

 

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

20 posted on 09/20/2004 4:44:03 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

good morning
thanks for the ping
& bttt


21 posted on 09/20/2004 5:13:23 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Brian Allen; Mia T

Is Aldrich gonna go public with it before the election?


22 posted on 09/20/2004 5:19:39 AM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Mia T
Said it before... Real good chance that there is a cover-up of an Undesirable Discharge upgraded to Honorable under an amnesty program...
23 posted on 09/20/2004 5:26:47 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Mia T

Can you imagine if this was Bush's record? My goodness it would be on 24 hours a day. Of course the networks know about this and they are trying to cover it up. I had read somewhere before that Kerry didn't get his "honorable" discharge until 2001 and thought it was quite strange.
Don't we have any good investigative reporters anymore?


24 posted on 09/20/2004 5:35:02 AM PDT by Cricket24
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To: Mia T

This wouldn't surprise me in the least. The FBI was on to his activities in the '70s, and surely the military would have known. Why else would it have taken him nearly 30 years to get the discharge?


25 posted on 09/20/2004 5:59:32 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Mia T
Hope ya don't mind-but send this off to our media friends (and foes, hehe)>

This is an investigation we can DO RIGHT HERE....we have the means, but if we get it out there on the airwaves Mia....perhaps pressure can be brought to bear on this....

WE DESERVE TO KNOW THE FULL TRUTH!

And I, also, believe his unwillingness to RELEASE his full military record is due to our government investigating his anti-war activities that involved attending a series of mtgs. with his fellow anti-vietnam vets' group that went against not only military code of ethics, but against our government in a time of war. Oh yeah.

26 posted on 09/20/2004 6:17:00 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: holdonnow; Sean Hannity; Jeff Gannon; Ann Coulter
[from above, FReeper Mia T]

"Looking for:

material related to Kerry's likely less-than-honorable discharge and the apparent 2001 discharge upgrade "pardon" by clinton

audio of Kerry claiming to have released or claiming that he intends to release all his military and/or medical records

WILL YOU HELP US?

27 posted on 09/20/2004 6:19:59 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Republic; Mr Ramsbotham; All

Whether it's a discharge issue or simply kerry's seditious activity, the bottom line is this:

  • JOHN KERRY IS REFUSING TO RELEASE ALL OF HIS MILITARY RECORDS
  • DAN RATHER AND OLD MEDIA DON'T SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN WHY

 

KERRY MILITARY-RECORD HANKY PANKY

As we already know that Kerry's
Kerry-military-record "upgrades" -- and, conversely, Kerry's Bush-military-record "downgrades" -- are the Kerry m.o., one would think Dan Rather et al., at a minimum, would have some professional interest in the matter Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 as it relates to the constancy of Kerry's records over time.

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

 

August 28, 2004

 

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB
Chicago Sun-Times


Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

 

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New


28 posted on 09/20/2004 7:03:00 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: All
John McCain signed form 180.
WHAT IS KERRY HIDING?

29 posted on 09/20/2004 7:11:14 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Sent on to Rush, Brit and Sean.

This is a timely question.

What is good for the goose is ALWAYS good for the gander-If Kerry will NOT RELEASE his full military records, everyone should KNOW about it, and everyone should be asking WHY!

This man wants to be our Commander in Chief.

Can you imagine this man as President, commanding our military, when he, himself, not only manufactured records to receive fake medals, but threw them away (lol-he can't even get THAT story straight) and was, perhaps, engaged in seditious behavior that caused a dishonorable discharge, or perhaps, an investigation we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

After all.........he did attempt to negotiate with the enemy while still serving in our military and attended a mtg where the murdering of sitting senators was discussed.

Hell, if I had been Nixon....I would have been breaking into the DNC htq at the time as well...now that we know the mainstream press collusion to destroy resolve to win the Vietnam War (thank you liberal Walter Cronkite) might have bolstered kerry's anti-war activities.....if talk of murder was going on...the connections NEEDED to be made!

30 posted on 09/20/2004 7:23:55 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Mia T; Brian Allen; Congressman Billybob; Bob J; diotima; Gary Aldrich; holdonnow; Sean Hannity; ...
[ Mia T ]<< My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office; Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th. >> [end Mia T ]

[Brian Allen ] "While then Lt George Walker Bush was flying circuits and bumps in the dreadful Delta Dagger, the traitor, Kerry, was being trailed around the clock by an FBI surveillance team which built up a massive file on his un-and-anti-American activities -- including but not limited to his treasonous foreign meetings with and offering aid and comfort to America's enemies in time of war and his attendance at a series of meetings at which the murder of Senators and others was discussed.

Check with Gary Aldrich. While Kerry's gang fantasize President Bush's "record" and fabulize Kerry's -- Mr Aldrich browses a stack of very very real FBI records that quite clearly reveal Kerry as the traitor he always was -- and is still!

Blessings -- B A " [end Brian Allen]

Mia, babe, this thread shows over two thousand and one hundred and fifty views-hopefully someone in the media is paying close attention!. Have I told you today how very much you ROCK! :^)

31 posted on 09/20/2004 9:15:31 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Mia T
Mia.......... you are so HOT......... on this topic!

;-)

I want to see Kerry's full records......... before he hangs himself in his wine cellar.

32 posted on 09/20/2004 1:45:40 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: beyond the sea
ME TOO! RELEASE THE RECORDS- KERRY!!! STOP BEING A COWARD!

Someone needs to ask BILLY KLINTON if he PARDONED John F Kerry regarding Kerry's military service....LOL...I mean, klinton pardoned TERRORISTS, and he PARDONED wealthy donors, so why not pardon a traitor!

33 posted on 09/20/2004 3:38:40 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Mia T

Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall in the CEO's office over at cBS.


34 posted on 09/20/2004 3:40:07 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mia T

BTTT


35 posted on 09/20/2004 3:41:10 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (I'll vote Republican till the day I die then I'll vote democrat.)
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To: Mia T

Bookmarketed as usual,Mia...another great thread! :-)


36 posted on 09/20/2004 5:14:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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37 posted on 09/20/2004 6:28:15 PM PDT by devolve ( -- JOHN"V"KINKOS scams POW wives! - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: devolve

Oh devolve, that is perfect!! Dancing on the 'V' keyboard, I love it!


38 posted on 09/20/2004 8:14:30 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: potlatch
That is kinda funny! Poor NYT's....so like CBS.

Would you not just FLIP OUT if either of these organizations....GASP....even ONCE attempted to get a good look and report on KERRY;s UNRELEASED RECORDS>>>They know Kerry has NOT RELEASED ALL OF HIS RECORDS...and the COVER FOR HIM.....

.Did Kerry get a TIMELY HONORABLE DISCHARGE...OR NOT?

My goodness...these new organizations IGNORE the GLARING HOLES IN KERRY's MILITARY HISTORY and put a magnifying glass to Bush's FULLY RELEASED REPORTS.

A sicker display of MEDIA favoring ONE candidate over the OTHER could not be made.

Talk abou BIAS!!!

39 posted on 09/21/2004 6:16:10 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Republic
.Did Kerry get a TIMELY HONORABLE DISCHARGE...OR NOT?

Well......thirty years isn't bad if you have patience, LOL!

40 posted on 09/21/2004 3:10:41 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: potlatch

ROFLMAO!! Guess Kerry has at least one good trait...hehe...incredible patience!


41 posted on 09/21/2004 3:19:00 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Republic

It's gotta take a lot of patience to 'dote' on Teresa so you get your money allowance, much less put up with her 'mouth'!!


42 posted on 09/21/2004 3:26:08 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: Mia T

bump


43 posted on 09/22/2004 11:54:50 AM PDT by jla
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To: Brian Allen; Buckhead; All
Well I notice the discharge

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

from 1978 is
unsigned. Is that usual? [Also that document is right and left justified. We are dealing with Dims here, so I would not be so quick to take a document at face value. Are other discharges from around that date similarly produced? Or does it look of new production?]

If one got an upgrade to their discharge is a new one issued dated the same date as the original or is a new one with a new date issued?

Mr. Kerry getting a less than honorable discharge would make a lot of since. It would answer the question, why he was not prosecuted by the Navy. He did have a lot of medals. Rather than prosecute someone with a lot of medals, they might have chosen to give him a less than honorable discharge as punishment?
--
JLS

Not to be repetitive, but the type appears to be proportionally-spaced and kerned....


44 posted on 09/30/2004 12:23:04 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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The proportionally-spaced and kerned sections appear computer-generated and 'wrong' to me. If the body of the letter had been typeset by the Navy, why is the font used a "shmutzified" font, i.e., a font design that simulates age and impact-generated type?

Regardless, Kerry is hiding something.

Will Bush tell America tonight that he, Bush, signed form 180 to release all of his military records but that "his opponent" did not?

And what about Mr. Heinz-Kerry's missus's tax returns?

What are these two very odd, unqualified and arrogant people hiding?


45 posted on 09/30/2004 1:07:24 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: JLS

ping


46 posted on 09/30/2004 1:08:38 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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