Skip to comments.Dan Mongiardo Narrows Jim Bunning's Lead For Senate In KY
Posted on 10/14/2004 4:37:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Poll shows Bunning lead at 51% to 40%
(Excerpt) Read more at surveyusa.com ...
DU'ers are beginning to float the rumor that Bunning
has progressive dementia and will have to leave the race.
The DNC is throwing millions at Mongardio in an attempt to unseat Senator Bunning.
I say we let them believe they have a chance to win the race in Kentucky so that they can't spend as much in Oklahoma, Colorado, Florida, and North Carolina.
Nearly a tie. Hide the kids.
"The DNC is throwing millions at Mongardio in an attempt to unseat Senator Bunning.
I say we let them believe they have a chance to win the race in Kentucky so that they can't spend as much in Oklahoma, Colorado, Florida, and North Carolina."
So what! It hasnt hurt Teddys Senate career.
I know this poll is not immediate, but I live on the KY border, and Bunning has been damaged by gaffes and bad press. The DSCC is spending money there now.
Also, a Hart-Garin poll shows Bunning's lead at only 43% to 37%, but I'm skeptical the gap has closed that much.
Not that I know of. He was dropping of campaign signs and such the other day, and gave a speech at the Republican rally in Campbellsville last Saturday. His debate with the good Dr. was taped for broadcast, because Bunning was doing it from Washington. He's getting around quite well, and he's staying quite busy.
Here's a telling sign regarding Kerry. We just had a festival, and Kerry's people had a booth handing out stickers and signs. Within a couple of blocks of that booth, about 10 people have Mongiardo signs in their yard, but only 2 of those same people also have Kerry signs.
I was told that the Taylor County area at least is still holding at about 61 percent Republican.
Seems like there is a whisper campaign out against him.
They are absolutely out of their mind if they think they can win this race. I hope they spend $20 million trying though.
Mongiardo is a very slick and sleazy individual (remember, he was the same arrogant jerk who technically held 2 Senate seats in different parts of the state -- at the SAME time !) and will do anything at his disposal to depose Jim Bunning.
Go #14. We still remember you in Detroit.
It started with the Mongiardo campaign, not DU.
Mongiardo's people have been following Bunning around with TV cameras everywhere he goes from the time he gets up in the morning, in an effort to agitate him and get it caught on camera for use to spin it as him being senile.
They also have operatives attacking Bunning in all the little local newspapers in the letter to the editor pages, many of them not being from people actually living in the area of circulation.
They are spreading rumors he has Alzheimers.
He said it was legal and was going to go forward with it for two years...but he ultimately decided it would be too much to handle (actually the Senate President said he would refuse to swear Mongiardo in that prompted him to cut it out).
Bush wins big here too. KY has almost always been a R state nationally. But now we are even going R in the gov and house/senate. And the dems and MSM here are kicking and screaming at eveything. They spent 50 years getting us in a big mess, and won't give the new repub govenor 5 months to clean it up. Don't worry about Bush or Bunning. Worry about Ohio or the senate race in Alaska. Nothing to fear here in KY.
Yes, I know.
I'm focusing on State House races myself.
I work in Frankfort. My sense is that Mongiardo really could pull this off. Then again, I'm seeing 3 or 4 Kerry signs/bumber stickers for every Bush in my travels around Frankfort-Louisville-Lexington, yet Bush is up double digits in the polls. Very strange.
This poll is old, before a huge barrage of negative press last week. I'm a bit worried about this one now myself.
I live in Lexington, and have only seen a few Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers or yard signs. Kentucky has a pretty solid track record voting for the repubs and it will stay that way.
It's interesting that you brought up the House races. Congresswoman Anne Northrup (R-Louisville) was endorsed by ex-state Attorney General Chris Gorman, who ran against her in 1998. And the latest poll shows her lead over Tony Miller expanding to 54% to 41%.
Anne Northrup is savvy and tough. I just wish Bunning had retired and Northrup was the nominee to succeed him.
I've got a really bad feeling. But that may be because I'm a Bengals fan, and it's football season.
Miller has run probably one of the worst campaigns I have seen. He is appearing in ads attacking Northup himself -- a very bad political move.
He was potentially one of the most formidable opponents she would have faced -- he has been winning elections in that district far longer than she has. He blew it.
(It is Northup, not Northrup)
An 11% lead is "narrowing"? More likely their latest poll had a few more Democrats than the previous one.
The previous poll by Survey USA gave Bunning a 24-point lead. now it's down to 11.
Though I don't live in Kentucky, I get Kentucky news. Bunning has committed some gaffes and the media there has given it extensive coverage. And ads attacking Bunning and plugging Mongiardo are on the air, the first time this year this has happened.
This race is no longer a sure thing.
This poll, if you look at the dates, was also taken before the gaffes that got the extensive media coverage.
"Here's the rumor: Bunning has dementia, and if he wins, he will resign and Fletcher will appoint himself to the Senate seat."
There has been a number of them since the founding of our nation (even when the legislature was electing Senators). The confusion tends to be whether they were "technically" appointed by themselves or whether they resigned and "instructed" the next person in line to the Governorship to "do the deed." Folks like NM Gov Edwin Mechem come to mind (appointed himself in '62), but he lost in the following election. SC Gov Donald Russell did the same in 1965, but lost renomination to Ernest Hollings the following year. In the case of Russell & Mechem, both sounded the death knell on their political careers (however both would be rewarded with judicial appointments later). I can't imagine why Fletcher would want to bail out so quickly if Bunning resigned, has he grown so weary of the job after not even a year ?
Thanks for the info. I knew if anyone knew, it would be you.
More recently, Minnesota Governor Wendell Anderson got himself appointed to the Senate in 1977, when Walter Mondale became Vice President. Technically, his Lieutenant Governor (Rudy Perpich) appointed him, but everyone knew that Perpich was doing Anderson's bidding. It was thought that Anderson was popular enough to withstand any backlash. He wasn't--he lost to plywood magnate Rudy Boschwitz in 1978.
Ah, yes, that one slipped my mind. The MN 'Rats were bitch-slapped across the board in '78, losing both Senate seats that were up and Perpich losing the Governorship to longtime GOP Congressman Al Quie (though Perpich would have the last laugh reclaiming the office 4 years later). Not until here in TN in '94 was there a similar complete sweep.
What is your sense about the Bunning/Mongiardo Senate race? Bunning seems to be slipping.
You noticed that, eh?
They can't go after Fletcher, they can't defeat Northup, and it's not McConnell's turn. So they have to beat up on Bunning. And Bunning is giving them all the ammo they need.
I no longer convinced that GWB will carry this state. The unions have poured too much firepower into KY. They want a return on their investment, and they want it now.
>>>> Mongiardo is a very slick and sleazy individual
I haven't lived in KY for a few years now and I am not very familiar with him. I was a lib until 9/11 and did know some WELL connected people up there.
If this guy loses and runs against McConnell next go 'round ... you may wish he had beaten Bunning.
I'm looking at this race from a long-distance prespective and I wonder if this race could be the equivalent of the Boschwitz-Wellstone race in 1990.
Boschwitz raced wads of cash and ran an uncaring race against Wellstone. By the time Boschwitz realized there was a problem, they paniced and made bad last-minute decisions that cost them the election.
Trust me, I remember visiting Boschwitz's HQ several times in 1990 and I've never before (or since) met a group of more arrogant, over-confident asses.
I hope none of those people ever found jobs on a political campaign again.
if you're a Minnesota GOP'er, you know who I'm talking about.
McConnell will never be defeated, you can take that to the bank. Mongiardo is only doing as well as he is against Bunning because of his mean-spirited attacks.
This is definitely not the KY version of Boschwitz-Wellstone. Mongiardo doesn't have a fraction of the charm and likeability of the late Sen. Wellstone, he's an arrogant ass.
>>> McConnell will never be defeated, you can take that to the bank.
Don't get me wrong. I hope he won't, and I never saw anything first-hand. My point was that, based on what well-connected dems I knew well said they could prove, Senator McConnell can't take anything to the bank if he runs against a slimy, mean-spirited dirty-tricks operative.
I do have my suspicions that their "proof" is about as legit as Blather's National Guard documents ...
In a few respects. The thing is, Bunning is a controversial politician who appeared to get lucky. Remember, he won the last election by less than 7,000 votes. He was facing a very tough race against then-Gov. Paul Patton. But Patton's zipper and arrogance destroyed his career. In the meantime, Bunning's aggressive fundraising scared off other 'Rats. (Ben Chandler is probably kicking himself for skipping this race). And when he drew a little-known state legislator, he became cocky. Some of the statements Bunning has made defy logic. And his mistakes, not any strength of Mongiardo's, created an opening. He's still favored, but any further gaffes could put this race in the doubtful catagory.
Like I said in a previous posting, I wish Anne Northup were the nominee instead of the aging Jim Bunning.
Mitch McConnell will probably retire in 2008. He's had a series of serious health problems, and he's not getting any younger.
I guess we will have to see what the polls are next week.
McConnell will only have token opposition, if any at all, in 2008.
Like I said in a previous posting, I wish Anne Northup were the nominee instead of the aging Jim Bunning
I'm sorry but you obviously have never met or worked with Jim Bunning. We should all be so mentally functional and healthy at the age of 72.
Survey USA has a new poll out with Bunning up 15 points.
I've lived in Ky 41 years, and I know who Daniel Mongiardo is. As a teenager, I used to buy beer & liquor from their "family store". Heck, all the kids from Knott Co (which is dry) knew they could get booze in Bulan at Mongiardo Liquors! I don't know if the ABC ever caught them, but they made lots of money from My friends & I. I just wonder why none of this has ever come out.