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Orson Scott Card: The Death of Shame [behavior of the Left]
The Ornery American ^ | October 17, 2004 | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 10/26/2004 9:56:11 AM PDT by Tolik

I have been puzzled for some time by the behavior of the Left, not just in this election but in the past decade.

I watched in fascination during the whole Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, as Clinton's defenders demanded an absurd degree of proof before they would accept that Bill was guilty (which, of course, he was), while at the same time believing instantly and without evidence the most outlandish charges against Bill's accusers. Didn't they recognize their own absurd double standard?

Then in the campaign of 2000, I became increasingly angry over the truly vicious lies that were being told to African-American groups about George W. Bush. The solemn warnings of a return to Jim Crow if Bush were elected made it sound as if Bush were Strom Thurmond of 1948, when they knew perfectly well that Bush was one of the few Republicans who actually deserved -- and, in Texas, got -- a higher than normal percentage of the black vote.

And the Leftist-dominated media, instead of exposing the racially charged language being used by Gore's supporters -- as they would certainly have done if a Republican had used identical, but racially reversed, language to all-white audiences -- let it go on and on virtually unmentioned.

Of course, after nearly four years of Bush's presidency, it should be obvious to black voters that the terrible warnings they were given in 2000 were completely false. But the race-baiting is already under way, albeit on a smaller scale, as the Democrats piously warn of "voter intimidation."

Then in Florida, during the so-called "recount," the Left shamelessly sprayed out accusations of how the Republicans had "disenfranchised" poor voters, though in fact all they ever showed was the normal error rate that had been accepted for many years in elections throughout America -- an error rate that was always assumed to apply equally to both sides.

In fact, that was the obvious basis of Richard Daley's selective recount effort on behalf of Gore in Florida. If you only recount the most Democrat-dominated voting precincts, then, by finding the normal number of errors, the resulting increase in correctly counted ballots will be tilted strongly for the Democratic candidate.

It was a scam -- which was exposed by Gore's attempt to block the counting of the absentee ballots of American servicemen from Florida, since it is well known that the people who volunteer for the military tend to vote two-to-one in favor of the Republican presidential candidate.

And yet the Democrats piously continue to this day to treat the whole vote-count affair, not as an obvious attempt to steal an election by manipulating selected groups of ballots, but as some noble attempt to block the evil Republicans from depriving poor helpless minorities from having their ballots fairly counted.

The Catalogue of Lies

The falsehoods are thick on the ground, and contrary to the impression some might try to give you, they are not conducted equally by both sides.

When they trumpet examples of Republican "lies," they usually turn out to be in the following categories:

1. Statements that turn out to be wrong, though they were believed to be right at the time they were spoken. (In the rational world, we call these "mistakes.")

2. Statements that interpret legitimate data in ways that support the Republican view. (In the rational world, we call these "differences of opinion.")

3. Statements that point out obvious contradictions between what the Democratic candidates say and what they have said and done in the past. These are called "negative campaigning" and "mudslinging" and "distortions" and, of course, "lies," but these countercharges are offered instead of coherent explanations.

Meanwhile, the Democrats engage in wholesale, flat-out lying, ranging from Kerry's false charges against America's soldiers in Vietnam, his phony claims about Christmas in Cambodia and what it was he threw over the fence when he said they were his medals, to present charges that Bush has blocked stem-cell research and that if Kerry were president, paralytics would rise up and walk.

If a Republican had said these things, the media would throw him into the flames, never letting us forget these ridiculous and contemptible lies for a second. Instead, we get the ABC News memo that makes it clear that Republican distortions are to be trumpeted, while Democratic ones are "not central" and therefore can be ignored.

Intellectual Laziness

All of this can be chalked up to "partisan wrangling," though the Left has clearly returned to the era of machine politics and demagoguery that for a while -- indeed, for most of my life -- American presidential candidates and parties were ashamed to engage in, though it bubbled just under the surface and, in a few key states, served to steal an election or two.

What most astonishes me, I'm afraid, is at the personal level. The individual level.

The Left fancies that it has a monopoly on intellectuals. When an online magazine invites published authors to tell whom they're voting for and why, out of dozens only four (including me) are voting for Bush. The most interesting thing is that the four pro-Bush authors offer clear reasons for their vote, but the pro-Kerry authors spew out invective against Bush or give cute or clever "reasons" that simply treat the question as being beneath serious discussion.

I get letters that are endless variations on the same theme: Mr. Card, I like your books and you seem so wise, but yet you're supporting Bush. Why don't you look at the evidence and realize that Bush is the devil and Kerry will save us from the disaster that Bush is leading us toward?

Yet when I choose to answer these letters and ask them to get specific, it becomes obvious that none -- no, not one -- of these people has actually examined the evidence at all.

These "intellectuals" show not even the slightest sign of ever having questioned their own opinions.

Now, I have to regard this as the minimum standard for being regarded as a genuine intellectual -- that you have questioned your own beliefs and subjected them to rigorous tests of logic and evidence.

But throughout this entire war and the political talk surrounding it, I have found exactly one intellectual of the Left (a professor at Appalachian State) who was actually willing to test his own ideas in the cauldron of reason and real-world evidence; he and I still reach different conclusions because we have a different moral worldview, but at least we live in the same rational universe.

It's the same on the news and entertainment talk shows and in the intellectual and scholarly magazines. While the Right does not lack for shallow-thinking spouters of the party line -- one thinks of the ever-vacuous Sean Hannity -- the intellectual Right still holds itself to rigorous standards of evidence and reason.

I actually find better reasoning about and evidence in support of the Leftist point of view, and more skeptical but serious examination of Rightwing ideas, in magazines like Commentary and The Weekly Standard than I do in Leftist publications like Harper's and The New Yorker.

What I find from most self-styled "intellectuals" in American public life is a laziness so profound as to be frightening. These are our opinion leaders and university professors? Have they forgotten that "the never-doubted opinion is not worth speaking"?

The Left is above the discussion. They don't need to read contrary views. The conclusion has been received, the Pope has spoken, the Supreme Court has decided. Case closed.

The Entitlement to Power

How did American intellectual leadership pass to people who no longer even go through the motions of rigorous examination of ideas?

It's because they have no shame.

Shame is the innate human need to be thought well of by one's neighbors. It leads to the concealment of wrongdoing.

It is the motive behind hypocrisy -- the desire to continue to sin without paying the social penalties of being known to be a sinner.

So when the Left acts hypocritically, one can assume that they do feel shame, and for years I have made that mistake.

But I no longer believe it. Because the double standards of the Left today are not prompted by any sense that the lies and misbehavior they are concealing are wrong, but rather by the fact that the exposure of those lies and misbehavior would be politically inconvenient.

Indeed, the whole question of right or wrong is irrelevant to the thinking of the Left.

They speak the language of morality, declaring Bush to be evil (or variations on that theme), but in fact the Left lives in a moral universe in which there is only one moral virtue, and here it is:

It is good and right for power to be in the hands of the Left.

All "morality" on the Left and all "reasoning" on the Left flow from this unspoken axiom.

And it only came up, politically at least, after 1994.

That was the year when Newt Gingrich's brilliant "Contract with America" strategy wrested control of the U.S. Congress away from the Democrats for the first time in forty years.

A whole generation of Democrats had grown up with the belief that no matter what else happened, Democrats legislated and Democrats controlled the courts. There might be Republican presidents, but they couldn't do anything without the permission of Congress.

So when the Democrats lost Congress, they began to behave like big babies. When Republicans did to them what they had done to Republicans in Congress for forty years, suddenly it was unfair. The world had gone mad. The ruled-over were suddenly ruling. The Helots were in charge and the Spartans could not bear it.

Democrats had come to think of themselves as the ruling class.

That is the mindset that explains all the behavior of the Left since 1994. If they are not in power, then clearly something is deeply, disturbingly wrong with the world, and any means to restore the proper order of things is perfectly acceptable.

Why, if Democrats are not in power, then the whole "progressive" agenda will grind to a halt.

For so many years, Republicans were a nuisance to be swatted away, except when one of them became president, and even then, Congress, with the collusion of the media, had mastered the art of harassing a disobedient president.

But after 1994, when Republicans used congressional investigations to harass a Democratic President, that was a horrible misuse of power.

Don't Americans understand that the Left is entitled to power?

That's why it's OK to do selective recounts in Florida and try to disenfranchise American soldiers and sailors -- all the while claiming that it's the Republicans who are disenfranchising people.

That's why it's OK to filibuster in the Senate in order to block the president from appointing perfectly qualified judges -- and why it's OK to make ridiculously false attacks on those judicial appointees.

That's why it's fine for John Kerry to pretend that he'll be tough on defense even though everybody on the Left is counting on him doing just the opposite in office -- because any lie that restores the proper order of things is a good lie.

That's why Kerry and Edwards can lie about Bush's record on stem cell research and make hilarious and offensive claims that if they are elected, the crippled will rise up and walk. A Republican making such a claim would become a complete laughingstock in the media; but if it might sway a single voter to restore the proper order of things, then the Leftist media dare not to discredit the claim.

That's why CBS throws journalistic ethics to the wind and runs with a story about Bush's National Guard service that is based on obviously fabricated documents. That's why ABC News has no problem with exposing only "distortions" by Bush and ignoring outright lies by Kerry.

That's why the New York Times prints a story claiming that Bush said, in a closed meeting, that he plans to "privatize" Social Security -- even though the word privatize is actually the Left's term, which Bush would never utter, and Bush's openly stated plan has always been to allow young workers the option of investing a portion of their Social Security contribution.

There was no news story there at all -- but anything that might scare senior citizens into panicking and voting for Kerry is worth printing.

That's why lawyers and politicians are already gearing up to attempt to steal the election after the fact by making false claims about intimidation of minority voters by evil Republicans -- when they know perfectly well that it's the Left that is openly using tactics of intimidation.

Like when they sent mobs of union workers to "demonstrate" inside the small local offices of the Bush campaign in Florida, terrifying a handful of Bush campaign workers with a Brown-shirt tactic that, if it had been carried out by, say, NRA members against Kerry headquarters, would now be the biggest story of the campaign season.

That's why the intellectual Left feels perfectly justified in vilifying, slandering, scare-mongering, hating, intimidating, and cheating, all the while claiming a moral superiority.

The only morality that binds them is the result of the election, which determines whether they are in or out of power. Anything that gets them into power is "good" and anything that might block that happy result is "evil."

And if the voters see through the deception and the scare tactics and the race-baiting and the false promises and the smarmy self-righteousness and vote for the other guy, well, there are teams of lawyers standing by to try to use the courts to overturn the election results.

It Comes Back to Faith in a Higher Power

The worst thing is that this "morality" seeps down into society as a whole. We have professional sports where "anything to win" has long since displaced sportsmanship or following the rules of the game. We have schools where students and parents will do anything to get the grades that will get the kids into the right college and therefore a good job, without regard for whether the student has learned anything or is becoming a decent human being.

I've heard Leftists complain that the thing that scares them most about George W. Bush is that he thinks he's chosen by God.

But that is not true at all. What Bush believes is that he is accountable to God. This serves as a check on him; it blocks him from doing anything that he believes God would not approve of.

Contrary to Leftist myth, he doesn't change his beliefs about God to fit what he wants to do; he conforms his actions to fit well-established beliefs about God's will. They mock him for having a black-and-white view of the world. But look at the result of not having such a view: The lying and cheating that are now endemic on the Left.

Kerry claims to believe in God, and maybe he does -- but the God he believes in is one without any requirements. As a result, whatever Kerry's faith, he can do anything without feeling any shame at all.

Bush believes in a God who has strict rules that he expects his children to follow -- even presidents who are running for office, and even if following those rules might make you lose.

If you don't believe that you are ever going to have to account for your actions except in the highly manipulable court of public opinion, then what is there to constrain you from abusing power to your own benefit -- which is, by the way, a good working definition of "evil."

The Left is firmly convinced that good is only possible in the world when they are in power; therefore they can do any number of unfair, indecent, or dishonest things in pursuit of that goal.

Without shame. Without guilt.

Because they don't believe there is such a thing as "sin." Only power. And whoever gets the power, makes the rules. To the Left, the only shameful act in 2004 is voting Republican.

And if we vote for candidates who show themselves to have no shame, then we deserve the government that they will give us.

Copyright © 2004 by Orson Scott Card.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: left; leftisthate; orsonscottcard; osc; politicalcorrectness; politicalterror

1 posted on 10/26/2004 9:56:11 AM PDT by Tolik
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Don't miss another OSC article posted today: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1257544/posts


2 posted on 10/26/2004 9:57:52 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Lando Lincoln; danneskjold; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; A Longer Name; Aggie Mama; Alamo-Girl; ...
Orson Scott Card

Orson Scott Card - PING  [please freepmail me if you want or don't want to be pinged to Orson Scott Card political articles]
3 posted on 10/26/2004 9:58:51 AM PDT by Tolik
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Orson Scott Card is one of the best Sci-Fi writers. His Ender's series are enormously popular and translated to many languages. His websites attract attention of readers from all over the world.

Since 9/11 he wrote many political essays. He is a conservative democrat of Zell Miller type (there are still few left) who is upset with hijacking of his party by the Left. His articles are more inline with the FreeRepublic spirit than with his own political website: http://www.ornery.org/index.html  that is heavily populated by American- and other Leftists who are delightfully annoyed by Mr. Card's conservatism. He does not post on that site and its moderated by somebody else.

Links: his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-orsonscottcard/browse  and archived here (it is a must go place for all new to OSC political writing): http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/index.html

His literary, non-political website: http://www.hatrack.com

His fresh articles appear in the Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC: http://www.rhinotimes.com/greensboro/  (before being posted permanently on his The Ornery American website). Read his books/movies/and everything reviews: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/ 

His "About" page: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/about.shtml

4 posted on 10/26/2004 10:00:04 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

PING


5 posted on 10/26/2004 10:01:37 AM PDT by shoknawe
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To: All
On his website http://www.hatrack.com/ he has this link copied as is:

        • OSC recommends that you see this spot before the election.

6 posted on 10/26/2004 10:05:39 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: RepoGirl

Recommended reading ping. I think this article is very insightful.


7 posted on 10/26/2004 10:10:55 AM PDT by ChuxsterS (Vote early and vote often.)
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To: Tolik

That was great, and exactly the things read on FR daily.


8 posted on 10/26/2004 10:11:57 AM PDT by kenth (Hollow plan from the Hollow Man...)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 10/26/2004 10:19:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tolik

I'm torn... would I rather have OSC or Mark Steyn as GWB's press secretary...


10 posted on 10/26/2004 10:22:35 AM PDT by kevkrom (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.)
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To: ChuxsterS

I love this article as it tries to go behind the root cause of many, many indecent acts by the left. It goes toward understanding the values of the left. As such, if true, it helps us to combat them.

I must say that he probably is describing the hard left (such as Kerry). A good portion of their voters, though, have been voting that way not because they belong to the hard left, but because they get their news from leftist news sources.


11 posted on 10/26/2004 10:24:25 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: kevkrom

I can add Victor Davis Hanson to the mix. And then let them do one week shifts in turns.


12 posted on 10/26/2004 10:25:07 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
It's because they have no shame. ... Indeed, the whole question of right or wrong is irrelevant to the thinking of the Left.

Why is this? How is it a child can actually be raised to not understand the difference between right and wrong, and thus become the tortured soul known as a 'liberal'?

In order to explain the truth as to the origin of shamelessness, and how to ultimately begin the process of fixing it, one liberal at a time, I suggest you read this ...

'Who's your Daddy?' A Liberal's Plea for Dad.

This briefly describes the root of the issue, and its remedy.

After all, it's a rare dude or dudette who decides to become a liberal after spending their time as a conservative. Nope, when folks 'grow up', they grow up into, yep, conservative morals.

13 posted on 10/26/2004 10:28:11 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: winner3000
OSC is a Democrat (still, I guess) himself. Like Zell Miller or Victor Davis Hanson and a number of other respectful figures quoted on FR. This is less about a difference of opinion what is the best for the country than about absence of the normal debate.

Any successful company utilizes a feedback from the marketplace, both positive and negative feedback, to improve their product. A shrill scream that Left produces now is not a feedback, its noise, very loud but still just noise. Its a huge disservice to the administration, because they too need a feedback to improve the service they provide to the country.
14 posted on 10/26/2004 10:35:28 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

OSC is the guest of honor at Boskone, held in downtown Boston. Should be interesting.


15 posted on 10/26/2004 10:41:39 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Tolik

When will he give up being a Dem?


16 posted on 10/26/2004 10:44:50 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Have you ever seen sorrow on Kerry's face?)
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To: Tolik
On reading this, I thought about highlighting and posting with my comments, those statements in this article that I felt most represented a powerful and damning indictment of the left, but after finishing the entire article, I have to say the no statement in particular serves as a stand-alone indictment. Rather, the entire article is THE most succinct, dead-on analysis of the sickness that has permeated the left that I have ever read.

And, its directness coupled with the lack of any effort to 'dress it up', is a hallmark of honesty.

17 posted on 10/26/2004 11:02:42 AM PDT by softengine (Once you acquiesce, its all downhill from there.)
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To: Tolik
Good post. I was saying the same thing the other day (Post), but Card does a good job of fleshing out the subject.
18 posted on 10/26/2004 11:06:58 AM PDT by Defiant (Kerry was a useful idiot during the cold war. In the war on terror, he's just an idiot.)
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To: Tolik; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...

From time to time, I’ll post or ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

It's hard to believe this author still describes himself as a dem. Nevertheless, this article is too accurate and comprehensive. I believe it requires maximum circulation IMHO.


19 posted on 10/26/2004 11:12:16 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Tolik; lightingguy

Excellent, well worth the long read.


20 posted on 10/26/2004 11:29:29 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Tolik

Please add me to your ping list. This is one of the best articles I've read in a very long time.


21 posted on 10/26/2004 11:38:03 AM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: Tolik
Because the double standards of the Left today are not prompted by any sense that the lies and misbehavior they are concealing are wrong, but rather by the fact that the exposure of those lies and misbehavior would be politically inconvenient. .... in fact the Left lives in a moral universe in which there is only one moral virtue, and here it is:

It is good and right for power to be in the hands of the Left.

Wow. There it is. OSC has absolutely nailed the Left. Bravo!

22 posted on 10/26/2004 12:19:07 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Tolik

If you want to know what evil the left is actively engaging in, then check out what it is that they are accusing conservatives of doing. That is true shamelessness.


23 posted on 10/26/2004 12:30:39 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping! Card's articles are always a good read.


24 posted on 10/26/2004 12:44:06 PM PDT by Fedora (Trolls sleep--but I don't.)
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To: Tolik
Democrats had come to think of themselves as the ruling class.

That is the mindset that explains all the behavior of the Left since 1994. If they are not in power, then clearly something is deeply, disturbingly wrong with the world, and any means to restore the proper order of things is perfectly acceptable.

The evidence for this was the post-election 2000 perfidy.

I wised up to the Democrats as a force for Evil when I saw what they were willing to put this country through.

I am genuinely concerned about what they have planned for Novemeber 3rd.

This is the most right-on essay about the Democrats that has been written or posted on FR.

25 posted on 10/26/2004 1:17:43 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Tolik

GREAT essay.


26 posted on 10/26/2004 1:22:20 PM PDT by jaime1959
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To: flutters

Yes, its absolutely brilliant.

Added to the OSC ping list.


27 posted on 10/26/2004 1:35:11 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

It's not Xenocide, it is now sententiacide. The Democrats want stupid people to swallow their pap, and want the rest of us opinially lobotomized either actually or through the courts.


28 posted on 10/26/2004 1:42:42 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Defiant
From your post on your link:

if it becomes clear that they cannot get it via the electoral process, they will go underground and start a Leninist style movement and try to plot to take power violently.

The goal of destroying the old America is the most important thing in the world to them, and they will not give up.

I was shaken to my core at what happened post-election 2000.

You may remember several commentators writing at that time (Walter Williams among them) that that behavior by democrats could signal the beginning of a breakup of this country.

I believed that then, and I believe that now.

29 posted on 10/26/2004 1:45:47 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: RKBA Democrat

If you have never read Orson Scott Card's sociopolitical writings, you should begin with this. They are in some ways even better than his fiction.

he's a registered Democrat, by the way.


30 posted on 10/26/2004 2:22:02 PM PDT by King Prout (yo! sKerry: "Live by the flip, die by the flop." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: happygrl
I think we have a danger period that will be slowly phased out as the leftists and hippies gradually decline in numbers. Objective criteria for running an economy, a foreign policy and one's life make it clear that socialism is a failure. But the unrecalcitrant will continue trying to impose socialism and tear down the old order, and a determined minority can sometimes prevail.

If we can govern, and begin to roll back 70 years of socialism, over the next 2 generations, the left will become a fringe element, still there, but not a danger. If we give them an opening, if they take back the government and impose an increasingly dictatorial government (see Hillary 2008), then they may still win. In that scenario, your concern about a breakup of the republic would be well justified.

I have a lot of faith in the younger generations, much more than in the baby boomers of which I am a member. They are returning to old fashioned values, in spite of the barrage of propaganda they get through popular culture and the education system. We can reverse the Democratic welfare state/anti-american/anti-morality society, but it will take a long time.

31 posted on 10/26/2004 2:49:54 PM PDT by Defiant (Kerry was a useful idiot during the cold war. In the war on terror, he's just an idiot.)
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To: King Prout

King Prout: Thank you very much for the outstanding PING. What a great article for tonite!

(I'm going to refrain from posting on FR until after the election. I think it's best to be out of the way when the furniture is flying.)

This is a great article and I think it hints around a couple of issues that bear more discussion: (1) radical socialism as less a political point of view than as religion, and, (2)the ends-justify-the-means ethics.

I wonder if Mr. Card has read the writings of Saul Alinsky? That's the basis for a lot of this kind of "ethical" thinking. I suspect that he has.


32 posted on 10/26/2004 2:57:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Rumors of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: Tolik

bttt


33 posted on 10/26/2004 3:00:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: neverdem

You'd be surprised. There are many Democrats, particularly in the south who do not fit within the definition of "hard left". Unfortunately, there aren't enough. At least right now.


34 posted on 10/26/2004 3:03:29 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Rumors of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

It would not surprise me if he has.
Uncle Orson specializes in presenting tales of interacting moral dilemmas masqueraded as sci-fi or horror fiction.
an adept writer.

go to www.hatrackriver.com and see if it is to your tastes.


35 posted on 10/26/2004 3:11:18 PM PDT by King Prout (yo! sKerry: "Live by the flip, die by the flop." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: Tolik; My2Cents; onyx; SoCalPol; Howlin; ohioWfan; mhking
Simply outstanding. Quite possibly the best dissertation regarding what the Left is all about that I have ever read.

I'm pinging a few other FReepers who might be interested in reading this article (which I highly recommend).

36 posted on 10/26/2004 3:13:15 PM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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To: Tolik

BTTT.


37 posted on 10/26/2004 3:20:31 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Finish up your dictations and go home, dip-weed.)
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To: King Prout

I'll do that.

If I don't hear from you, best of luck next week. I might lurk a bit the next week or two, but that'll be about it. I very much look forward to the post election discussion threads and talking with you then.


38 posted on 10/26/2004 3:27:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Rumors of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

see you when I do.

stay safe.


39 posted on 10/26/2004 3:31:46 PM PDT by King Prout (yo! sKerry: "Live by the flip, die by the flop." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: Tolik
Fantastic article. Spot-on. It says all of the thing we instinctively sense, and does so in a connect-the-dots fashion that even an idiot could understand.

I'd say this should be required reading before pulling a lever in a week, but note that I said idiots could understand it - not zombies.

40 posted on 10/26/2004 3:33:52 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Tolik
While the Right does not lack for shallow-thinking spouters of the party line -- one thinks of the ever-vacuous Sean Hannity --

Cruel but true. Sean is a decent enough guy, but he just doesn't exhibit much in the brains department.

41 posted on 10/26/2004 3:47:17 PM PDT by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Tolik
Thanks. Of the hundreds of opinion articles I read in an average week, few leave a lasting impression.

This one, I printed.

42 posted on 10/26/2004 3:59:34 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Tolik

Add me to the list, please.


43 posted on 10/27/2004 1:03:45 PM PDT by weps4ret (Things the make you go; Hmmmmmmm?)
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To: viaveritasvita

later....


44 posted on 10/27/2004 1:09:27 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (If MSM can't or won't get out the real news, we'll have to get it out ourselves. ~ Chuck Colson)
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To: weps4ret

Added to the OSC ping list.

BUMP


45 posted on 10/27/2004 1:30:04 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

thank you, compatriota - this is priceless. Am sending it tomorrow to a buncha dhimmicrats @ work.


46 posted on 10/27/2004 4:59:23 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Defiant
"...I think we have a danger period that will be slowly phased out as the leftists and hippies gradually decline in numbers..."

Yep. Abortions have a nasty habit of doing that to that crowd.

47 posted on 10/27/2004 5:10:09 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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