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Is the Al Amriki Tape authentic or just a dirty trick?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html ^ | October 29, 2004 | watchdog_writer

Posted on 10/28/2004 9:30:07 PM PDT by watchdog_writer

Is the Al Amriki Tape authentic or just a dirty trick?

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The following is an excerpt from a column linked by Drudge:

 Al Amriki issues several bursts of Arabic, mainly from the Koran, speaking the language well, but not as a native, say Arabic speakers who've heard the tape. And he's clearly a sophisticated news consumer - quoting sources ranging from BBC's Arabic language radio to US comedian Bill Maher.

 US law enforcement agents have suggested it could be Adam Yahiye Gadahn, an Orange County native, suspected by the FBI to be working with Al Qaeda, possibly as a translator. Mr. Gadahn, who was born Adam Pearlman, also goes by the nom de guerre Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html

 According to Drudge: The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape which warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney..."What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11," the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video.

What probable effect might this revelation have on influencing voters?

What is the likelihood that the video is not produced by As-Sahab?

 As to the second question:

Analysts at Pakistan's spy agency, the ISI, say the tape is genuine, explaining the material bears the same "signature" as previous As-Sahab video releases, which are unique in the world of jihadi video for their sophisticated editing techniques. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html

           Is it really that difficult to copy the logo from any prior video and then layer it over this one? I’m not impressed by the time it would take to “produce” this video, and as for “signature”, forgery of this type is not all that difficult.

           As for the first question, if the tape is authentic and not just a dirty trick, would security moms be more likely then not to vote against Bush to ward off an attack? Or does the threat of even greater terrorist attacks draw security moms closer to the Presidents side for protection?


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1 posted on 10/28/2004 9:30:08 PM PDT by watchdog_writer
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To: watchdog_writer

Well, I hear reports both ways.
Until the CIA comes out and says so...I don't believe it..
It looks fake to me.


2 posted on 10/28/2004 9:32:38 PM PDT by MaryJaneNC
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To: watchdog_writer

Have any of the other tapes ended with voiceover saying " I am OBL and I approve this message"?


3 posted on 10/28/2004 9:33:12 PM PDT by stopillegalimmigration
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To: watchdog_writer

Who cares?

Let's just go out and kill him.

If he's innocent, his own god will know.


4 posted on 10/28/2004 9:33:45 PM PDT by x1stcav (John Kerry was the only hero from Vietnam; the rest of us were war criminals.)
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To: MaryJaneNC

Orange County NC?? I'm in Orange County NC....


5 posted on 10/28/2004 9:35:58 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/johnkerry.htm)
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To: MaryJaneNC

Vote Bush and don't let your guard down. Second hand info (fwiw): This threat is being taken very, very seriously. concern is chicago, la, and houston over next 2 weeks.


6 posted on 10/28/2004 9:36:49 PM PDT by rit
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To: MaryJaneNC

Silly Trolls

By Fake do you mean your too stupid to recognize that it is an actual filming of some looney pro-Kerryite rant?

Whether they be Bin Laden or Biden, they are all cut from the same cloth.


7 posted on 10/28/2004 9:36:56 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast ("....to defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: watchdog_writer

Maybe it was BILL MAHER on the tape?


8 posted on 10/28/2004 9:39:15 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: watchdog_writer
...it could be Adam Yahiye Gadahn, an Orange County native, suspected by the FBI to be working with Al Qaeda...

Anyone know where in Orange County this bastard is??

9 posted on 10/28/2004 9:41:03 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: watchdog_writer

Frankly, from what I saw, it plays like a "Blazing Saddles" kind of villain.

I find it to be either inauthentic or unintentionally silly.


10 posted on 10/28/2004 9:41:17 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: watchdog_writer

Is the Al Amriki Tape authentic or just a dirty trick?

 (Photograph) (Photograph)

 

The following is an excerpt from a column linked by Drudge:

 Al Amriki issues several bursts of Arabic, mainly from the Koran, speaking the language well, but not as a native, say Arabic speakers who've heard the tape. And he's clearly a sophisticated news consumer - quoting sources ranging from BBC's Arabic language radio to US comedian Bill Maher.

 US law enforcement agents have suggested it could be Adam Yahiye Gadahn, an Orange County native, suspected by the FBI to be working with Al Qaeda, possibly as a translator. Mr. Gadahn, who was born Adam Pearlman, also goes by the nom de guerre Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html

 According to Drudge: The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape which warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney..."What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11," the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video.

What probable effect might this revelation have on influencing voters?

What is the likelihood that the video is not produced by As-Sahab?

 As to the second question:

Analysts at Pakistan's spy agency, the ISI, say the tape is genuine, explaining the material bears the same "signature" as previous As-Sahab video releases, which are unique in the world of jihadi video for their sophisticated editing techniques. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html

           Is it really that difficult to copy the logo from any prior video and then layer it over this one? I’m not impressed by the time it would take to “produce” this video, and as for “signature”, forgery of this type is not all that difficult.

           As for the first question, if the tape is authentic and not just a dirty trick, would security moms be more likely then not to vote against Bush to ward off an attack? Or does the threat of even greater terrorist attacks draw security moms closer to the Presidents side for protection?

11 posted on 10/28/2004 9:42:05 PM PDT by watchdog_writer (Kerry's Plan = rely on the liberal media to get him elected)
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To: watchdog_writer
all I have to say to "adam the american" is bring it on, mother*cker.

Someday My daughter will ask me, "what's a muslim?"

And I will reply, "A backward piece of rat filth who raped goats and wiped their butts with their hands. They thought they were so fearsome, but now they're extinct."
12 posted on 10/28/2004 9:48:43 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99


I heard what ABC broadcast, and that was not an American accent. That was clearly not an American speaking.


13 posted on 10/28/2004 9:50:06 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

You understand that there are over a billion muslims in the world, right?


14 posted on 10/28/2004 9:56:35 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: watchdog_writer
Durn it. Can't get the html to display a .swf file. but the link is there, right click it and view image. Someone else with stronger voodoo can repost it The identity of this guy has been discovered!!! ;)

15 posted on 10/28/2004 9:57:44 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: watchdog_writer

I think it is a phoney, just like the idiot that faked his capture a couple of weeks ago.


16 posted on 10/28/2004 9:58:12 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Technical Editor
I just heard the tape. It sounds like someone trying to talk in a fake accent and not very well. Listen to certain phrases that this piece of pig dropping uses, they are Americanisms.

I'm not scared. I'm not fooled. Bring it on! I will build a mansion from your skulls.
17 posted on 10/28/2004 9:58:34 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.)
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To: durasell

God made people. People made bombs. We're not better at our job than he is, just quicker.


18 posted on 10/28/2004 10:00:08 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.)
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To: kimosabe31

Right in my neck of the woods. Garden Grove.

Here's to catchin' that bastard before the cops do.


19 posted on 10/28/2004 10:01:27 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

I have no response, except maybe to suggest that skull mansions are not energy efficient and are most likely a bit drafty.


20 posted on 10/28/2004 10:04:49 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: watchdog_writer

Looks like something an amateur Michael Moore would produce, but a jihadi video with a white guy in glasses talking in an American accent doesn't pass the sniff test to me. Sounds more like a left-wing fear tactic geared to influence the election.


21 posted on 10/28/2004 10:09:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("!Allahu Snackbar" - the war cry of the pajamadeen - Let's stop VOTE FRAUD NOW! Write your reps!)
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To: watchdog_writer

I'm a security mom. I'll answer that....I wouldnt trust Kerry to protect my miniature schnauzers much less my children! (but I was voting for Bush anyway)


22 posted on 10/28/2004 10:15:18 PM PDT by kcmom
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

True Story: On October 23, 1086, 300,000 Christians fighting under Alphonso VI were killed at Sagrajas by Moslems fighting under Yusuf ibn-Tashfin. The Christian dead were decapitated, and their heads were certainly used to build a minaret. A minaret is defined as a tower attached to a mosque. It is also true that ibn-Tashfin, a Berber, shipped 40,000 of those heads back to Africa as a trophy.

So they have a 918-year, five-day "head start" on you.


23 posted on 10/28/2004 10:16:37 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: thoughtomator

maybe it was Joe Lockhart. I would say Carville but he couldnt pull off losing his own accent to pick up an Arab one...lol.


24 posted on 10/28/2004 10:18:43 PM PDT by kcmom
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To: thoughtomator

It's odd that no one but me can see that the wanna-be terrorist is actually Michael Moore with a tablecloth on his head!

Bring it on and jail the MF.


25 posted on 10/28/2004 10:19:10 PM PDT by Jesse Jackster
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To: thoughtomator

BTW, they must have a "towel-rolling" class to teach American wanna-be terrorists how to roll a towel on their head like that.

I wouldn't have a clue where to begin...


26 posted on 10/28/2004 10:21:13 PM PDT by Jesse Jackster
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To: kcmom

BTW, they must have a "towel-rolling" class to teach American wanna-be terrorists how to roll a towel on their head like that.

I wouldn't have a clue where to begin...


27 posted on 10/28/2004 10:22:18 PM PDT by Jesse Jackster
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To: Jesse Jackster

Edwards teaches them how to fix the hair after they take it off ...comb..straighten...spray...repeat


28 posted on 10/28/2004 10:22:58 PM PDT by kcmom
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To: Jesse Jackster

You start here...

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/


29 posted on 10/28/2004 10:23:52 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: watchdog_writer

It smells like a dirty trick to me. How hard would it be for the dems to get some guy with a middle eastern accent to shoot a rant and have it released as a threat through the 'proper' channels. It's not hard at all. In fact, it's a piece of cake. The graphic overlay is a snap, as is coming up with the correct file format for that part of the world, shot on a camera known to be used in that area (so the resolution looks believable) and/or dubbed to an appropriate release format. This is a no brainer. After Forrest Gump, question everything. And I mean everything.


30 posted on 10/28/2004 10:43:26 PM PDT by Nostramommus
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To: Nostramommus

I think the tape is probably legit (at least in the sense that it's not made in the US) and for that reason Kerry is really scared because it might seal Bush's re-election. ABC claims they got it from reliable source in Pakistan known to have al-qaeda and taliban connections. ABC is not as bad as CBS or the NYT, of course. (Then again, who knows if they gave the CIA an original tape (which might still have fingerprints) or a copy?). Anyway, it makes sense that these thugs would want this given directly to American media and not al-jazeera because it's obviously intended for an American audience.

That being said, it's not legit with respect to the threats which are pretty much the same blathering hyperbole as always (9/11 was nothing compared to what's coming, streets flowing with blood, etc.). It ends:

"And that Allah willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about Sept. 11."

I happen to have some respect for good, honest Muslims and the pretty remarkable civilization they once had, and I think they will believe as I do that Allah, in fact, will not be willing. Instead, the magnitude and ferocity of what's coming is what is in store for them.


31 posted on 10/28/2004 10:52:25 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: watchdog_writer
Looks authentic to me.


32 posted on 10/28/2004 11:53:15 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: All

I think that the terrorists should bear in mind that they cannot fully assess what the mood of the American people is by watching our media. All that provides is the elite's view. There is indeed a Silent Majority in the United States that will show up on Nov. 2.

That is what has the Left -- on both sides of the Atlantic -- behaving so hysterically.


33 posted on 10/29/2004 12:48:36 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: durasell

plug them with insulation.


34 posted on 10/29/2004 4:09:18 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.)
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To: Unknowing

ah, but we have nuclear weapons now. Catch up will be much easier.


35 posted on 10/29/2004 4:11:05 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.)
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To: walford

If you look closely at the knife in the cat's paw, you will see that it was manufactured in France. So obviously it is authentic!


36 posted on 10/29/2004 10:51:28 AM PDT by watchdog_writer (Kerry's Plan = rely on the liberal media to get him elected)
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To: stopillegalimmigration

I think Howard Dean would happily endorse this message. Goat boy is a natural-born Democrat.


37 posted on 09/02/2006 9:52:25 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: walford

I heard Novak predicting a Democrat victory on the radio today. That almost clinches a Republican win, I think. I believe this man's political prognostications are less than stellar in their accuracy. Another thing, the DUmmiecrats have consistently underestimated this president. According to the odds, no one elected to the presidency by the electoral college who did not win the popular vote has ever won re-election, except for GW. Also, the '02 election should have shown substantial Demo pickups in the House and Senate, and that did not happen. I also feel the Republicans are beginning to pull out of their funk as they ponder the possibility of Democrats controlling the Congress and the inevitable Stalinist purges they will try to initiate. Putting Democrats in charge of nat'l defense would be like putting child molesters in charge of day care.


38 posted on 09/02/2006 10:04:26 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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