Posted on 11/07/2004 1:42:55 AM PST by lodi90
I think it is most interesting to remember what the angel of the Lord told Hagar about her son Ishmael, the "father" of many of the Arab people today. He would be a "wild man, his hand will be againt every man and every man's hand against him". This was long before good old Mohammed came along and gave them the "religion" that helps them focus their hatred today. There is NO talking with or reasoning with these fanatics. I wonder how many more outrageous episodes of murder and terror aimed against them it will take for Europe to wake up. Will it be too late then?
pattyjo
I am sure that the DUers believe Heer van Gogh "had it coming" because of his hateful anti Moslem speech. Why do they consider themselves immune from that syndrome?
It would be a grave mistake to only treat these Jihadi attacks as a law enforcement issue to be dealt with after the fact, or even as an intelligence issue to follow avowed extremists and extremist groups. The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims will be outwardly peaceful while harboring an intense hatred of anything non-Muslim. There will always be jihadists coming out of nowhere to perpetrate barbarism on the rest of society. As Islam grows the attacks will grow worse until they feel strong enough to come out in mass to impose Shari'a on everyone. That is the model devised by Mohammad in Mecca and Medina - small atrocities by a core cadre while building a following and then sudden violent takeover.
If the idea is to protect people from Muslim violence, the target must be Islam as a whole. The scriptures of Islam provide the basis for violence against non-Muslims to promote Islam as well as against Muslims as an enforcement mechanism within Islam. Islam should be regarded as an ideological movement rather than a religious one. Even though intenally it has a religious dimension, the important point for non-Muslims is that its aim is not merely a way of life for adherents or even conversion, but control of every aspect of life for Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And while most Muslims may never commit a violent act in their lives, a society of Muslims will always breed and include an enforcement cadre that can only be checked and removed by eliminating all of Islam or reducing it to isolated individuals. Any large group of Muslims inevitably contains a dangerous core that takes the teachings of Islam in their totality more seriously than most.
What are the Netherland's firearms laws like? Are they restrictive? Can the average Dutchman carry a gun to defend themselves against savages ?
That is, tolerance towards radical Muslims, intolerance towards conservatives.
>>>The alternative to Christiendom is not multiculturalist transnational progressivism. It is Islam.<<<
Exactly! The fence of secularism seems to be getting narrower and narrower and those who have been able to sit upon it for hundreds of years are being forced off. This is what scares the left to point of commiting suicide. They are beginning to realize that they can no longer NOT take sides. And, they absolutely despise the fact that they may have to take sides with the Christians. Many will not be able to handle it.
Was there ever a more telling last statment uttered? The "peace and love" crowd still do not believe that "talking about it" with bad guys will not work. How pitiful, and how dangerous this philosophy is.
And the other key point here is that the Dutch government attempted to teach them about Dutch culture and values?? Oh boy, how can you teach someone something they don't want to hear? As an immigrant to the US, I view as MY duty to learn about American culture, not the government's duty to teach me. Clearly another failure by the "let's fix it by running a government program" crowd.
The problem is that many in our society and throughout the world are having a difficult time facing up to the reality of just who the enemy is.
Our freedoms has become our undoing.
Even our President can't admit who the enemy is this time. We use words like "terrorists", "jihadists", "Al Qaeda", "evil doers" and "insurgents", always being careful not to mention that one word.
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>>>Even our President can't admit who the enemy is this time. We use words like "terrorists", "jihadists", "Al Qaeda", "evil doers" and "insurgents", always being careful not to mention that one word.<<<
I believe he knows. Remember, he called it exactly what it was in the beginning "a crusade". But the press tried to use that to incite people so the President wisely held his cards closer to his chest. I don't doubt for a minute that he has his finger on exactly what is going on. Keep in mind that there were over 700 arrests in the year leading up to the election. And, that if the Muslims could have manipulated the elections with an attack, they would have.
Thanks for the pings.
I see that you pinged Travis.
Until I read your post, I had at times felt like giving on America and the West. I honestly thought that most Americans simply don't get it or just don't understand Islam.
I have spent almost 15 years living and working overseas in a Muslim country and have experienced and seen exactly what you say.
Yes they do. But DON'T go there. You'll get cooties.
Seriously, they're a bunch of mentally ill, sick perverted communists. I've seen posts that said all republicans (conservatives) should be killed - and they were serious.
I too hope they get it together and fight off this infection. With respect to citizenship, I have to ask what the Dutch government's "rights" are, though. Doesn't EU membership force more or less open borders on its members within the community?
For example, if an Islamist Algerian enters France, as he has a right to do as a French citizen, or a Pakistani enters the UK, and decides to move to the Netherlands, how do the Dutch then keep him out as an undesirable?
This is crap! Everybody knows that "Our Diversity Is Our Strength!" That there is "Room At The Table!" That we have a "Big Tent!" That we need more "Dialogue," "Debate," "Discussion," "the "Expression of "Different Points Of View." We need more "Understanding," "Peace," "International Control." "Love will melt their hearts!"
A violent, murdering muslim? Impossible! It must be an isolated incident. How dare people generalize. Of course it's only bigotry to even have the notion that Islam is anything but peaceful. We need to be more like the French.
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By then van Gogh, 47, had been shot several times and was seen by one witness on his knees, pleading with his assailant, “Don’t do it . . . we can still talk about it.”
The response was a knife to the throat. The killer sawed through the neck and spinal column, almost to the point of decapitating him.
I know it's very violent, but we need to have people know what we are dealing with here.
How can this happen with all the gun control that's in Europe? Somehow this animal had both a gun and a knife. Will they now have knife control?
I'll bet that this poor guy would have liked to have had a gun to defend himself...or that some onlooker had one. If this animal had done this in Texas, I'm sure he would have been turned into swiss cheese before he even started using the knife.
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