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2004: Top (Archaeological) Finds On Bolivian Highlands
Helsinki University ^ | 11-7-2004

Posted on 11/07/2004 5:39:09 PM PST by blam

2004: Top finds on Bolivian highlands

Finnish scientists discovered the most significant relics of antiquity in recent Bolivian history.

In the excavations on Pariti Island in Lake Titicaca, in the highlands of Bolivia, the historical-archaeological research team of the University of Helsinki discovered a ritual offering site with well-preserved pieces of ceramics. The find adds substantially to what is known about the Tiwanaku culture, which flourished before the Incas and for which the island was probably an important religious site.

“The dig contained approximately 300 kilograms of deliberately broken ritual ceramics, which, according to radiocarbon dating, have been buried sometime between 900–1050 AD,” says Antti Korpisaari, an archaeologist from Renvall Institute. “Some twenty vessels have been preserved intact. The objects can be compared to the best china of a royal household or sacramental communion vessels.”

Many types and ornamental elements of vessels discovered on Pariti were completely new to scientists. People are depicted very realistically on the objects, providing a rare insight into the life of the Tiwanaku elite.

“By comparing small details, such as clothing, headgear, jewellery and even facial characteristics, to other finds from the highland area, we can actually start drawing conclusions about the ethnic identities of the people who lived there at the time. The discovery also provides new information on the relationship between the Inca and Tiwanaku cultures,” Korpisaari says.

The historical-archaeological project Formations and Transformations of Ethnic Identities in the South Central Andes, AD 700–1825 also included an extensive general survey of the Bolivian highlands during the fieldwork season of 2004. This, for example, led to the discovery of the location of ancient Paria, the lost Southern centre of the Inca state.

Read more about the research activities of the project on its website.

Text: Sanna Schildt Photo: Antti Korpisaari www.helsinki.fi/verkkotoimitus

Translation: Valtasana Oy


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bolivia; bolivian; finds; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; highlands; history; top

1 posted on 11/07/2004 5:39:10 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Wanna guess the ethnicity of the guy in the above photo?

2 posted on 11/07/2004 5:42:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Can grass be grown on his head?


3 posted on 11/07/2004 5:45:45 PM PST by ASA Vet (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: blam

And now the purple dusk of twilight time
Steals across the meadows of my heart....

4 posted on 11/07/2004 5:46:25 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: blam

Cha-cha-cha-CHIA !


5 posted on 11/07/2004 5:53:23 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: blam
Wanna guess the ethnicity of the guy in the above photo?

One of the British royals.
6 posted on 11/07/2004 5:53:54 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: Bars4Bill
"One of the British royals."

Okay.

The below statue was found in Olmec ruins in Mexico. Care to guess on this one?


7 posted on 11/07/2004 6:03:46 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

what was Burl Ives? cause this looks him... perhaps he was a time traveler?


8 posted on 11/07/2004 6:07:20 PM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: blam

Looks Oriental or Ainu.


9 posted on 11/07/2004 6:09:32 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks blam.
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10 posted on 11/07/2004 6:11:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Ptarmigan
"Looks Oriental or Ainu."

I've posted this in the past on another thread and one FReeper said, "put a skull cap on him and he could pass as my Rabbi".

11 posted on 11/07/2004 6:18:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I ain't never had me a ritual offering before!


12 posted on 11/07/2004 6:18:41 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam

A Jew you mean.


13 posted on 11/07/2004 6:18:49 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: blam
That statue reminds me of these:

Easter Island

14 posted on 11/07/2004 6:19:44 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Ptarmigan
"A Jew you mean."

I assume that was what was meant by 'Rabbi.'

15 posted on 11/07/2004 6:23:17 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Rabbi is a Jewish preacher at a synagogue. What did he really mean?


16 posted on 11/07/2004 6:26:37 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: blam
The below statue was found in Olmec ruins in Mexico. Care to guess on this one?

Newborn Osama bin Laden and/or New York Times columnist.
17 posted on 11/07/2004 6:26:41 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping.


18 posted on 11/07/2004 6:34:26 PM PST by wizr (I spell right with a 'W'. 'W's been wright all along. God bless him.)
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To: blam
Wanna guess the ethnicity of the guy in the above photo? Same guys who decorated Easter Island.
19 posted on 11/07/2004 6:39:18 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Wholeheartedly agree. Heyerdahl's excavations on Easter Island, back in the 1950s, uncovered at least one statue of a different style, along with a sort of stone platform. The whole works reminded him of Tiahuanaco.


20 posted on 11/07/2004 6:46:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

There was a Rabbi who was shipwrecked on an island. He knew that there was no way he could get off so he decided to make the best of it.

One day in his exploration of the island he came across an interesting tribe of people. They devised some kind of communication and he found out they called themselves Trids. He asked if he could join the tribe. The Trids said yes. So the Rabbi did everything that the Trids did.

One day about a month after the Rabbi joined the Trids, there was a loud trumpet sounding. The Trids all lined up and started walking up the hill. The Rabbi joined them thinking it was some religious ceremony. The Trids stopped on top of a cliff by the sea. They were in a straight line. The Rabbi followed. Then a giant came out of the woods and began to kick each Trid off the cliff. The giant passed the Rabbi and continued to kicked the Trids off the cliff. When the Giant was finished, the Rabbi went to the Giant and asked why he didn't get kicked off. The Giant replied, "Silly Rabbi, kicks are for Trids!"


21 posted on 11/07/2004 6:48:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: wizr

my pleasure


22 posted on 11/07/2004 6:52:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

Chiapetish.....


23 posted on 11/07/2004 6:54:29 PM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: blam

Did they find Che Guevara's rotting ass up there? Viva la Revolucion! haha, stupid communist ideologue...


24 posted on 11/07/2004 7:33:32 PM PST by CitadelArmyJag ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions" G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SunkenCiv
I first heard that one in 1959.
It wasn't funny then either.
boo hiss, someone get the hook!
25 posted on 11/07/2004 7:40:40 PM PST by ASA Vet (I'm Just kidding, Sunken...)
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To: ASA Vet

Hey, it was either that, or "let your Pages do the walking through the Yellow Fingers"... ;')


26 posted on 11/07/2004 7:47:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

~Groan~


27 posted on 11/07/2004 7:50:19 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: Rebelbase

...the entourage hadn't ridden a mile out of Camelot before Sir Lancelot could be seen giving pursuit on his galloping horse, shouting, "King Arthur! King Arthur! You left me the wrong key!"


28 posted on 11/07/2004 7:55:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Ptarmigan
"Rabbi is a Jewish preacher at a synagogue. What did he really mean?

I assumed he meant Jewish. I believe the Olmecs were around before there were people who were identified as Jews.

29 posted on 11/07/2004 10:05:08 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Kinda makes ya think about 12 tribes being scattered to the four corners of the Earth, don't it?


30 posted on 11/07/2004 10:16:22 PM PST by I_dmc
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To: Carry_Okie

ping


31 posted on 11/07/2004 10:17:20 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Wow.


32 posted on 11/08/2004 6:45:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: I_dmc

No, and it was ten tribes, not twelve.


33 posted on 11/08/2004 9:36:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

BUMP


34 posted on 11/08/2004 9:42:02 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: blam

Pretty obviously looks like what we would consider Peruvian -- the long nose, high cheekbones etc. are what you'd see in Spanish conquistador paintings from the 16th century.


35 posted on 11/09/2004 10:30:12 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: blam

looks kinda like a Zen Buddha ;-P


36 posted on 11/09/2004 10:30:49 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: blam

Well, you look at Jews from Yemen, from Ethiopia, from India and from Europe -- they all look different, even if they have the same Judaic blood.


37 posted on 11/09/2004 10:32:09 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: SunkenCiv; I_dmc
No, and it was ten tribes, not twelve.

well.... the 12 tribes were:
  1. Southern Kingdom: judah, SImeon, Benjamin (and to some extent Levi)
  2. The northern kingdom: Manasseh, Ephraim, Isaacher, Dan, Naphthali, Reuben, Gad, Zebulun, Asher (and to some extent Levi).

    So, the lost tribes would be numbering 9 (or 8 if you say that Manasseh and Ephraim, both beind descended from Joseph should be one tribe, just as those descended from Dan were one tribe)

38 posted on 11/09/2004 10:37:40 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos
"Pretty obviously looks like what we would consider Peruvian -- the long nose, high cheekbones etc. are what you'd see in Spanish conquistador paintings from the 16th century."

Chapapoyas or related to them maybe?

39 posted on 11/10/2004 6:28:13 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Chapapoyas or related to them maybe?

Apologies -- I don't know about the different tribes in South America
40 posted on 11/10/2004 7:15:40 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos
"Apologies -- I don't know about the different tribes in South America."

No apologies necessary. You've been so knowledgeable in so many of your posts...I just assumed you knew about the Chapapoyas. Read the below.

Pre-Incan Ruins Emerging From Peru's Cloud Forests (Chapapoyas)

41 posted on 11/10/2004 11:08:23 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
More

Scientists from Helsinki University have discovered what are being considered as the most significant relics of Bolivian antiquity in the South American country’s long history. This announcement was made via the university’s well-developed communication services, which include news of the week on science and research topics and knowledge databases.

Fragment of a vessel representing a noble Tiwanaku woman found on Pariti in 2004 © Helsinki University’s Antti Korpisaari

In their excavations of a site on Pariti Island in Bolivia, a team of archaeologists from Helsinki University (HU) discovered well-preserved ceramic remnants in what appears to be a ritual site. The find adds substantially to what is known about the Tiwanaku culture, which flourished before the Incas and for which the island was probably an important religious site.

Little is known about the Tiwanakus because they left no writings and their culture died out in the 11th century. Records show they settled on the Bolivian side of Lake Titicaca in the Andean mountains around 400 BC. They built their administrative centre – the city of Tiwanaku which is around 75km west of Bolivia’s capital La Paz – between 300-500 AD, and their influence on the region continued to grow for several centuries.

Surveys of the island, which took place over the summer, uncovered a cache of about 300 kilograms of deliberately broken ritual ceramics which, radiocarbon dating reveals, were buried some time between 900-1050 AD. “Some twenty vessels have been preserved intact,” says Antti Korpisaari, an archaeologist at HU’s Renvall Institute who participated in the dig. “The objects can be compared with the best china of a royal household or sacramental communion vessels,” he notes.

Bases of knowledge

Many fragments and ornamental elements of vessels discovered on Pariti were completely new to scientists. Representations of the people on the objects are very realistic, the scientists explain, providing a rare glimpse of how Tiwanaku’s elite may have lived. Comparing small details, such as the clothing they wore, their jewellery and even facial characteristics, with other finds from the highland area, the Finns are building a picture of the ethnic identity of these ancient people.

Together with Bolivian archaeologists, the Finnish university has carried out excavations in the area around Lake Titicaca – the second largest in South America and the highest navigable by large vessels – for some 15 years. “The discovery demonstrates that the Tiwanakus made the highest quality ceramics in the Andean region, with very naturalistic portraits,” professor Martti Paerssinen, the leader of the dig, is quoted as saying.

The discovery provides new information on the relationship between the Incan and Tiwanaku cultures, adds Korpisaari. The project also included an extensive general survey of the Bolivian highlands during the fieldwork season of 2004. This led to the discovery, among other things, of the location of ancient Paria, the lost southern centre of the Incan state.

Much of the detail provided in this article came from press material produced by Helsinki University itself. Through its weekly science and research news, readers can follow the progress of this dig and other activities at HU. The site also provides links to several ‘knowledge databases’ through which visitors can get a picture of research projects and activities, publications, patents and expertise at the university. According to the site, the databases are used by the Ministry of Education and for compiling statistics and university annual reports.

42 posted on 11/10/2004 12:02:42 PM PST by blam
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43 posted on 09/15/2006 9:16:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

> Wanna guess the ethnicity of the guy in the above photo?

If I had to guess, I'd say Maori. The lines on his face look very much like "Te Moko", a Maori facial tattoo that was is just much scar tissue as it is tattoo.

(Maori traditionally used rat's teeth to chizel in an elaborate tattoo pattern into the Maori Warrior's face, and the Maori Warrior was not permitted to utter a single sound throughout the process.)

A real moko, even today, has an almost 3D texture to it: a fake one looks exactly like a 1D tattoo.

Te Moko, done properly, takes a very, very brave person to undergo the process (Maori women had it done too -- usually to the lower lip only).

Kia Kaha
DieHard


44 posted on 01/12/2007 8:30:44 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL.Pretty good.Is that an original?


45 posted on 06/07/2007 10:14:54 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Thombo2

Heh heh... nope, it’s an oldie. The version above was one I tracked down on the web as a result of searching for the punch line. ;’) Another oldie for which that would work is, “Let your pages do the walking through the yellow fingers.” ;’)


46 posted on 06/07/2007 11:11:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: Miss Marple

And those statues remind me of...

The Hassidic Jews.


47 posted on 01/07/2008 2:16:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Cronos

bttt


48 posted on 01/07/2008 2:25:55 AM PST by southland (Fred Thompson/ John Bolton /08)
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