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Wisconsin Hunter Shooting Threads and Links - Thread One
Various threads and links

Posted on 11/26/2004 9:15:08 PM PST by Ladysmith

** Initial Reports and Updates **

Multiple Shooting in Wisconsin
- - 11/21/2004 6:04:56 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285519/posts

HUNTER GOES BERZERK IN WISCONSIN; AT LEAST FIVE DEAD
- - 11/21/2004 6:15:12 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285531/posts

Five dead, three injured after hunter denied access to tree stand
- - 11/21/2004 8:50:48 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285531/posts?page=200#200

News update: Five dead in Wisconsin after hunting dispute erupts into shooting
- - 11/21/2004 9:17:23 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285531/posts?page=220#220

SIXTH HUNTER DIES FROM SHOOTING INCIDENT
- - 11/22/2004 10:01:26 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286408/posts

Five killed, three wounded in Wisconsin shooting
- - 11/21/2004 10:33:17 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285662/posts

5 killed in shootout among deer hunters
- - 11/22/2004 11:17:09 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285968/posts

Wisconsin Town in Shock Over Shootings
- - 11/22/2004 2:41:19 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286123/posts

5 killed, 3 injured in dispute over deer stand
- - 11/22/2004 7:31:35 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285788/posts

Names of 5 killed in shooting spree released
- - 11/22/2004 8:36:52 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286348/posts

WI Deadly Hunter Shooting Spree Update
- - 11/22/2004 8:56:07 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286363/posts

Row Ends With Five Deerly Departed [Real and tasteless headline]
- - 11/22/2004 9:14:22 AM - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285868/posts

Deer hunters shot in Wisconsin
- - 11/22/2004 9:20:55 AM CST- -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285876/posts


** Fund Raiser for Victims and Families **

Fund Set Up For WI Hunting Shooting Spree Victims & Families
- - 11/22/2004 9:02:27 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286365/posts

HMONG SET UP RELIEF FUND (For the Shooting Victims and Families)
- - 11/26/2004 5:27:12 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1286365/posts?page=9#9


Jessica Willers
Robert Crotteau
Joey Crotteau
Mark Roidt
Denny Drew
Al Laski

Survivors of the shootings: Lauren Hesebeck and Terry Willers.

Story about one of Vang's victims (WI Hunter Killer) - Jessica Willers
- - 11/24/2004 9:54:57 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288068/posts


** Criminal Complaint **

Direct link to Criminal Complaint
- - 11/23/04 12:20p Sawyer County Circuit Court - -
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/frontpage/pegl.pdf

Criminal complaint in hunting killing spree.
- - 11/23/2004 10:03:26 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287240/posts


** Vang's Accounts and History **

Accused Shooter Claiming Self- Defense, Playing Race Card (WI Hunter Massacre)
- - 11/23/2004 1:06:28 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286876/posts

Suspect says hunters provoked him; Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at
- - 11/23/2004 1:17:04 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286890/posts

Hunters Give Conflicting Accounts of Killings in Wisconsin
- - 11/24/2004 11:44:22 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287697/posts

Hunter Tells Police He Was Threatened
- - 11/24/2004 8:56:44 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287533/posts

Chai Soua Vang's military record (WI Deer Hunter Killer)
- - 11/26/2004 4:47:03 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289018/posts


** Possible Related Case **

Another twist in Chai Vang killing spree
- - 11/24/2004 9:45:29 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1287569/posts

Authorities also look at 2001 hunter slaying
- - 11/24/2004 1:24:17 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287762/posts


** Is This the Same Chai Soua Vang? **

Green Lake, County of vs. Chai Soua Vang
Green Lake County Case Number 2002FO000220

- - 04-26-2002 - -
Lengthy URL link to document

Article Confirms It is the Same Chai Soua Vang
- - 11/26/2004 5:52:26 - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1289045/posts#confirmation


** The SKS **

Rifle Used in WI Massacre Was Not An SKS
- - 11/25/2004 3:26:49 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288479/posts

Rare Weapon to Hunt Deer
- - 11/25/2004 1:11:50 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1288427/posts


** Gun Opponents Weigh In **

BANK ROBBERIES, PALM BEACH MURDERS, AND NOW FIVE HUNTERS DEAD IN WISCONSIN (Brady)
- - 11/22/2004 9:56:42 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286404/posts

Wisconsin Hunter Murders Show Need For Effective Assault Weapons Ban (VPC) - Violence Policy Center
- - 11/23/2004 9:42:59 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287226/posts


** FR marktwain's Lifetime Personal Experience in Area **

Background of the Wisconsin shooting area
- - 11/25/2004 5:08:08 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288506/posts


** Hmong Community and Reactions **

Hunting Massacre Suspect's Kin Stunned
- - 11/23/2004 7:20:30 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286588/posts

Collision of cultures-Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the woods.
- - 11/23/2004 9:02:06 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286651/posts

Shooting baffles family, officials
- - 11/24/2004 9:48:04 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288065/posts

Hunters' shooting worries (Cal) state Hmong
- - 11/26/2004 12:26:23 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288901/posts


** Additional Articles **

'It makes no sense'-As sixth hunter dies, sheriff offers details …
- - 11/23/2004 9:06:28 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286654/posts

Hunter spotted Vang after shootings
- - 11/24/2004 7:52:47 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1288005/posts

Hunters almost never deliberately shoot others
- - 11/25/2004 5:59:06 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288518/posts

Investigators hit case hard; Similarities to unsolved 2001 slaying noted (WI Hunter Killings)
- - 11/26/2004 5:52:26 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289045/posts



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KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; vang; wihunters; wisconsin
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1 posted on 11/26/2004 9:15:08 PM PST by Ladysmith
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To: PjhCPA; Iowa Granny; ohioWfan; Petruchio; SJackson; Rytwyng; Dr Snide; ozaukeemom; Graybeard58; ...

For quick reference. Suggestions and constructive criticisms welcomed.


2 posted on 11/26/2004 9:17:03 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: TexKat

Ping - You're on, TexKat.


3 posted on 11/26/2004 9:19:33 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

ping


4 posted on 11/26/2004 9:23:04 PM PST by JessieHelmsJr
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks Ladysmith.


5 posted on 11/26/2004 9:23:13 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: bjcintennessee

ping


6 posted on 11/26/2004 9:25:36 PM PST by ImaTexan
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To: Ladysmith

WOW!

I'm bookmarking this one. THANKS so much!!!


7 posted on 11/26/2004 9:26:05 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Well Done. Now I know what you did today instead of doing your homework! ;>(


8 posted on 11/26/2004 9:27:03 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny

HEY! YOU said you're going to bed! :)


9 posted on 11/26/2004 9:27:22 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
YOU said you're going to bed!

I had lots of windows to close,,,, and thought I might as well dust off the windowsills before I closed them.

I'm really going now.

10 posted on 11/26/2004 9:31:15 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
and thought I might as well dust off the windowsills before I closed them.

You DUST? Are ya sure that's healthy?

I'm getting kicked off this computer by THE cutest kid ever born...I've gotta move to another one. BRB WITHOUT dusting anything along the way!

11 posted on 11/26/2004 9:33:03 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
Chilling Thought: Hunter Confronted Suspect for Trespassing

Green Lake County

Nov 26, 2004

The suspect in Sunday's shootings in Sawyer County has been in trouble for trespassing in the past. Two years ago Chai Vang was cited for trespassing in Green Lake County. "It kind of runs chills through you," says Paul Gravunder. "It's pretty scary. I think the next -- I'd probably do things a lot different." Gravunder was hunting two years ago when he saw two men hunting and trespassing. He confronted them -- one of them was Vang. Gravunder called authorities. Vang told officers that they were hunting on public land, but that a wounded deer ran over to the private property. Vang was cited for trespassing, but the Green Lake County Sheriff's Department says Vang never paid that fine.

12 posted on 11/26/2004 9:33:40 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Ladysmith
Armed Hunters No Match For SKS Assault Rifle

Many were worried about the gun-grabbers using this as a push for a ban the last few days. It appears worries were warranted. Time to set the VPC straight on several very wrong statements they have made in connection with this horrible tragedy.
13 posted on 11/26/2004 9:34:29 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Ladysmith

This is FANTASTIC!

I had been thinking of going through all the threads to mine the little nuggets of golden information. The thought was if they were all in one place, maybe we could make sense of this horror.


14 posted on 11/26/2004 9:35:59 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Ladysmith

please add me to your ping list, LS. you might also consider posting to the WI board as well. I know there are a number of people there with an interest in this too.

thank you for your efforts.

I am very sorry for the loss these families suffered.


15 posted on 11/26/2004 9:38:33 PM PST by the crow (I'm from the government. I'm here to help.)
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To: Petruchio
Thanks, Petruchio. I really appreciate that.

There's a lot of articles and information posted in some of these links that I want to get into this main list also. If you run into one that you think should be highlighted, would you let me know?

16 posted on 11/26/2004 9:42:17 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: the crow
Thank you for your kind words. It's in honor of those dear victims.

Good idea about the WI board. I'll do that. You're on the ping list now.

17 posted on 11/26/2004 9:46:21 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks for this effort. Please add me to your PING list.


18 posted on 11/26/2004 9:48:05 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Iowa Granny; Brad's Gramma
((((((Iowa Granny, Brad's Gramma))))))

Good night!

19 posted on 11/26/2004 9:49:48 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Somber town remembers one of six slain deer hunters
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289112/posts


20 posted on 11/26/2004 9:50:36 PM PST by quietolong
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To: REDWOOD99

Humble thanks in return. I'll add you right now.


21 posted on 11/26/2004 9:51:48 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
Wow!

Great work!

You da ma...Oh...well, you know what I mean.;-)

22 posted on 11/26/2004 9:55:11 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: quietolong; Ladysmith
PING to *myself*!! I had forgotten to add this one.

Thanks, quietolong.

23 posted on 11/26/2004 10:00:40 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
Quite a difference between the information from MSM and what FreeRepublic has to offer.

MSM seems to have its head buried in the sand...

24 posted on 11/26/2004 10:01:29 PM PST by topher
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To: Ladysmith

Did you see the ones from TexKat on another thread tonight? I'll go get 'em....hang on.


25 posted on 11/26/2004 10:01:33 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

This thread,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289112/posts

Posts #21, 25, 28, 34

I'm not sure if you have them on this list. You MAY, but I'm not sure.


26 posted on 11/26/2004 10:05:02 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
The number you tried to reach is temporarily disconnected... Please try again.
27 posted on 11/26/2004 10:05:08 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

WOW, You've outdown yourself this time Ladysmith.

I've been at the hospital all day and have not had a chance to look at the new articles and tomorrow I celebrate Thanksgiving, hopefully Sunday I can catch up. Thanks again for all your hard work, its really appreciated.


28 posted on 11/26/2004 10:07:58 PM PST by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: Ladysmith

Add me to the ping list, please.

Great job putting all this info together. Thanks!


29 posted on 11/26/2004 10:08:16 PM PST by Fracas
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To: Ladysmith

Grrrrrrrrrrr


30 posted on 11/26/2004 10:12:22 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks for putting this together; excellent work.


31 posted on 11/26/2004 10:35:02 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Petruchio

"The thought was if they were all in one place, maybe we could make sense of this horror."

And did you?

If so, maybe you could boil it down for those of us who are still confused. Or am I the only one?


32 posted on 11/27/2004 12:07:20 AM PST by dsc (LIBERALS: If we weren't so darned civilized, there'd be a bounty on them.)
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To: Jotmo

;o) Thanks, Jotmo. I appreciate that.


33 posted on 11/27/2004 5:39:26 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Yeah, I'm kicking myself over that one. I forgot to include it in this first thread. It'll be in next time.


34 posted on 11/27/2004 5:42:52 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks for pulling this together.


35 posted on 11/27/2004 5:44:19 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Dr Snide

Hey there, I hope you and yours are ok. Everyone has been great about alerting each other to new threads and articles. Between this and the ping list, hopefully you won't have to dig hard for information. Thanks for your kind words.


36 posted on 11/27/2004 5:47:44 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

[snicker!]


37 posted on 11/27/2004 5:48:22 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Fedora

Thank you, Fedora. Some of the threads in the initial reports may look a bit redundant, but so many here included a lot of information in those threads. Good reference material I hope to highlight more later.


38 posted on 11/27/2004 5:55:19 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: DugwayDuke

Thank you, Sir. This forum makes it so much easier to do and to share.


39 posted on 11/27/2004 6:01:13 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

Thank you for all of your hard work on this.


40 posted on 11/27/2004 6:16:57 AM PST by ozaukeemom (Nuke the ACLU and their snivel rights!)
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To: ozaukeemom
Good morning, 'mom!

With information like the one you found from Green Lake County, the character of the Vang isn't hard to figure out. FReepers rock!

Now - I have GOT to study today!

41 posted on 11/27/2004 6:31:24 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
You'd BETTER be studying today. I'll be back tonite to check up on you!
42 posted on 11/27/2004 7:29:26 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: dsc

Not yet. I keep having this things called obligations get in the way.


43 posted on 11/27/2004 7:33:01 AM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Iowa Granny

...eek! Busted!!


44 posted on 11/27/2004 8:07:09 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
Thank you for compiling this list. I think your two "Possible Related Case" links clearly show that these weren't this first hunters this guy murdered and that he is in fact a serial killer:


45 posted on 11/27/2004 8:22:48 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Petruchio

"Not yet. I keep having this things called obligations get in the way."

Oh. Those.


46 posted on 11/27/2004 8:28:17 AM PST by dsc (LIBERALS: If we weren't so darned civilized, there'd be a bounty on them.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Thanks, Ron. Vang clearly has a disregard for the law and for life. My big concern right now is Doyle and Lots-a-lager handling this case. Any word on who's involved in the investigation?


47 posted on 11/27/2004 8:48:49 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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Lauren Hesebeck: A stunned, saddened survivor
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1289350/posts
48 posted on 11/27/2004 9:14:09 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Ladysmith

to marktwain


49 posted on 11/27/2004 11:28:56 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Ladysmith
A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
- - 11/27/2004 2:42:07 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1289466/posts
50 posted on 11/27/2004 12:54:24 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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