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Biggest Loser on Nov. 2 Was Press, Not John Kerry, Say 21 Columns
Editor and Publisher ^ | 11/29/04 | Erin Olson

Posted on 11/29/2004 2:29:35 PM PST by chiller

NEW YORK Feeling a bit lost lately? You should, at least according to a compendium posted today at Jay Rosen’s popular PressThink Web log, because the biggest loser on Election Day was not John Kerry but the mainstream media.

Daniel Henninger, writing in The Wall Street Journal’s Opinion Journal, put it this way: "It is often said that the only sure winner in American politics is the media. Amid GOP victory parties or the ruined dreams of the Kerry candidacy, the one constant is that the media marches on. Maybe not this time. Big Media lost big."

"I was interested in figuring out why so many people were saying it and surveying the range of reasons they might have had," explained Rosen, a press critic, author, and chairman of the New York University journalism program. "It's a little experiment in unbiased media criticism, because it's simply presenting what these writers said. I could have commented on each one -- because I'm a press critic, I have a lot to say -- but I thought it might be more interesting just to let them speak."

And speak they did. From an editorial in Investor's Business Daily to an Associated Press article, Rosen provided excerpts and links to "the same idea," he said, "served 21 ways: 'Media, you lost big.'"

Most of the writers Rosen quoted expressed the opinion that liberal bias in the press became more apparent than ever during the election, even taking the stance that the media was actively trying to get Kerry elected.

The Nov. 2 Investor's Business Daily editorial stated, "By press time last night, we weren't sure who would be the winner of the 2004 presidential contest. But we were certain of one big loser: the media. We've watched in slack-jawed amazement over recent weeks as the big media, fearful of another four years for President Bush, have basically become an unpaid adjunct to the Kerry campaign."

On Nov. 3, Glenn Reynolds posted an entry in his blog, Instapundit, titled, "Bitter, Angry Losers." He went on to say, "No, not the Democrats, but the real losers in this election -- the Old Media, still angry that they couldn't deliver their fifteen percent."

Peggy Noonan on Nov. 4, also in Opinion Journal, went wild over the whole idea. After affirming that “the biggest loser was the mainstream media,” she added that conservative bloggers had slain the dragon: “It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America.”

Vincent Fiore wrote on Nov. 7 about "Winners and Losers of Election 2004" at the ChronWatch site: "Loser: The Old Media. ... Staunchly opposed to Bush throughout his first term, the prospect of a second four years in office exposed the deep-seated bias among the old media and forever revealed themselves to the public at large."

On Nov. 15, Michael Barone wrote on townhall.com, "It was a bad election for old media. ... It no longer has the kind of monopoly control over political news that it enjoyed a quarter-century ago. And its efforts to help John Kerry proved counterproductive."

Rosen told E&P that he collected and posted the links because he found the claims fascinating. "I just think it's worth reflecting on, that's all," he explained. "Half my motivation was, I'm interested in what other people make of the same stuff."

In drawing his own conclusions from the material he found, Rosen said, "I think the particular discourse of media bias is one that has become dysfunctional. I've said at my Web log that the more you believe it, the dumber you get."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erin Olson (eolson@editorandpublisher.com) is a reporter at E&P.


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Yahooooooooooo!!!!!!I'm lovin' it.
1 posted on 11/29/2004 2:29:35 PM PST by chiller
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To: chiller
"Peggy Noonan on Nov. 4, also in Opinion Journal, went wild over the whole idea. After affirming that “the biggest loser was the mainstream media,” she added that conservative bloggers had slain the dragon: “It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America."

I'm a johnny some lately to blogging, so my comments are for those that have come before me in this battle.

Thank you bloggers one and all, and may you always eschew the capitalization of "bloggers" for all time......we need to stay humble.
2 posted on 11/29/2004 2:34:55 PM PST by Puckster
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To: chiller
the more you believe it, the dumber you get."

Words of wisdom from the chairman of the NYU Journalism Department, of all people.

3 posted on 11/29/2004 2:37:11 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Puckster

LOL...I thought it was Bill Press..that Dem talkaholic
that is always bashing our President...but anything with
press in it is about the same thing..until the bloggers
get bloogin them???? Jake


4 posted on 11/29/2004 2:38:58 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: chiller
God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America

At last an answer to the riddle of what to do with
freedom of the press when the press is corrupt.
5 posted on 11/29/2004 2:41:42 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: weegee
"God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America."

Gotta love it!

6 posted on 11/29/2004 2:43:43 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Howlin

Our top 3 goals for 2004 were:

1. Win the Presidential election
2. Burn the fatcat Democratic political donors
3. Discredit the mainstream news media

We're 3 for 3.

7 posted on 11/29/2004 2:44:45 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: chiller

Legacy media was already in decline, especially print
pubications, and they've been covering it up by
inflating their subscriber counts. Expect more scandals.

Their overtly biased behavior cost them whatever
subscribers hadn't previously cancelled or just failed to
renew. The remaining advertisers will soon figure out
which way the wind is blowing, and accelerate the decline.

Legacy media placed a big bet. They thought they had to,
because only a liberal regime would have any chance of
writing laws to restore the former status quo: regulate
the internet, sabotage talk radio with "equal time" rules,
sabotage Fox with "bill of attainder" ownership rules, etc.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 2:45:25 PM PST by Boundless
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To: chiller
"No, not the Democrats, but the real losers in this election -- the Old Media, still angry that they couldn't deliver their fifteen percent."

I believe the media did deliver their 15%... but they needed 18%.
9 posted on 11/29/2004 2:49:24 PM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Southack

4. Increase majority in the Senate, especially at the expense of Daschle.

Four for four!


10 posted on 11/29/2004 2:49:53 PM PST by c-five
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To: chiller

Fox News ask in a poll what were the reasons people voted the way they did and something like 35% said media bias was the main reason. That should be a wake up call to the MSM but it probaly won't be.


11 posted on 11/29/2004 2:52:47 PM PST by kempo
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To: chiller

>>>>>"the more you believe it the dumber you get"
Most of the liberals I know are dumb because they read and trust the MSM. I said this to one of them after she told me she was "well informed". As you can imagine, she blew her stack.


12 posted on 11/29/2004 2:54:15 PM PST by Ditter
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To: chiller

EXCELLENT~!


13 posted on 11/29/2004 2:57:55 PM PST by buffyt (If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.)
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To: c-five
I just adore Peggy Noonan!

Peggy Noonan on Nov. 4, also in Opinion Journal, went wild over the whole idea. After affirming that “the biggest loser was the mainstream media,” she added that

conservative bloggers had slain the dragon:

“It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America.”
14 posted on 11/29/2004 3:00:23 PM PST by buffyt (If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.)
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To: buffyt

OK guys(and gals) we have slain the BIG Dragons(MSM) not let's go after it again and dismember it and go after the little "local" "dragons" amnd dismember them too!


15 posted on 11/29/2004 3:04:11 PM PST by zzen01
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To: c-five

I gave to Thune though I'm from Minnesota.

Sweet investment.

Sorry about Minnesota.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 3:06:08 PM PST by Puckster
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To: buffyt

Rosen said, "I think the particular discourse of media bias is one that has become dysfunctional. I've said at my Web log that the more you believe it, the dumber you get."

Just the opposite Mr. Rosen. The more you are aware of the leftwing media's bias the smarter you get when reading their news pages or watching their news broadcasts.

After a comment like that don't expect to get hired at Fox.


17 posted on 11/29/2004 3:09:14 PM PST by wvobiwan (Touchdown! Suckers walk...)
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To: counterpunch
I believe the media did deliver their 15%... but they needed 18%. -counterpunch

My thought, exactly.

18 posted on 11/29/2004 3:14:21 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: chiller

And the media death pace is just going to ACCELERATE!!! I have set up the Anti-DNC web portal at:

http://www.noDNC.com

And in the process, helped DrDave get turned onto the idea of the same software here:

www.exposeliberalism.com

And am in talks with 3 other groups to get theirs going! We are trying to work FREE to get conservative NEWS oriented sites set up all over the web with solid and compelling content to counter the Main Stream Media even faster!

My news peice is pretty well done for now (just some more formatting)

http://www.noDNC.com

And I'm starting to add weather, and then sports after that. The goal is that within 6 months I will be GIVING AWAY this completely tuned, tested, and developed portal to lots of existing conservative Commentary sites. Then we will be cross-linking content through ALREADY BUILT-IN NEWS FEEDS, and we will be sharing conservative content all over the web.

The NEXT revolution is beginning :) And I'm thrilled to be part of it :)


20 posted on 11/29/2004 3:32:49 PM PST by woodb01 (See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: wvobiwan

AMEN!


21 posted on 11/29/2004 3:38:18 PM PST by buffyt (If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.)
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To: woodb01

Please keep us posted! ;-D


22 posted on 11/29/2004 3:40:10 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: chiller

God bless the pajamahadeen! :)


23 posted on 11/29/2004 3:47:34 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: bert; ForGod'sSake
>ping<

For your perusal & especially comments.

I for one automatically smell something fishy on those rare occasions when one or more of the quislings making up the mainstream Liberal-Socialist quisling media start telling us what we've long known.

And when it's a *Journalism Professor* saying it the smell rapidly deteriorates.

...to a stench.

24 posted on 11/29/2004 3:55:14 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: wvobiwan
Rosen surprised me with his last comment. It showed me he was actually objective about the treatment Old Media gave to W, despite his apparent left leanings.

I'll tip my hat to him for that reason. It's that much ore valid coming from one of "THEM."

25 posted on 11/29/2004 4:09:01 PM PST by chiller (1 down (Jf'nK) and 1 to go (old media))
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To: oldbrowser
At last an answer to the riddle of what to do with freedom of the press when the press is corrupt.

You said it well!

It was finally shown, to the satisfaction of a lot of people who live in red states, that the press (media) is indeed corrupt.

And what appeared to be a blatant attempt at a coup d'etat was forestalled by Freepers who showed, to anyone who looked at the evidence, that the memos attacking the president from "incontrovertable sources" were fakes.

Darn! Sorry about that, Dan. NOT!!!!

26 posted on 11/29/2004 4:09:53 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: woodb01

Very nice! Bookmarked!


27 posted on 11/29/2004 4:13:52 PM PST by Budge (<><)
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To: chiller
The MSM has been slain, but don't expect it to remain dead for long. There is still a market for it, but not what they're currently selling.

The MSM will shift to the right, I think, in order to stay relevant. This will not come easily or without major internal fights. But it must do so in order to survive, and the bucks are too big for it not to.

If they become neutral, we should applaud them. Until then, and I expect this will be at least a decade in coming, we should assail them.

28 posted on 11/29/2004 4:16:48 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Southack
1. Win the Presidential election 2. Burn the fatcat Democratic political donors 3. Discredit the mainstream news media

We're 3 for 3.

4. Dethrone Tom Dashole

4 for 4

29 posted on 11/29/2004 4:17:02 PM PST by evad (DUmmie FUnnies and Pookie Toons-the start of a nice day)
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To: chiller
The MSM and the Democrats are one in the same.They both harbor hate that is very strong.IMHO the American people are sick and tired of the hate mongers.
30 posted on 11/29/2004 4:19:38 PM PST by solo gringo (Liberal democrats are swamp leaches)
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To: evad
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
And "gentlemen" in France and Germany, and 'round the world, shall think themselves accursed, and hold their manhoods cheap, whiles any speaks that fought with us in Iraq.
31 posted on 11/29/2004 4:20:57 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

61 MILLION VOTERS vs. 60 MINUTES

32 posted on 11/29/2004 4:27:39 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: chiller; weegee

33 posted on 11/29/2004 4:32:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: chiller; weegee; MeekOneGOP
"Requiescat in fracta!"


34 posted on 11/29/2004 4:34:37 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: chiller
As "The Great One" used to say;

"How Sweet It Is!"

35 posted on 11/29/2004 4:35:49 PM PST by fella
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To: chiller
In drawing his own conclusions from the material he found, Rosen said, "I think the particular discourse of media bias is one that has become dysfunctional. I've said at my Web log that the more you believe it, the dumber you get."

I dunno... isn't he saying that the "discourse" (discussion) has become dysfunctional, and that the more one believes in a liberal media bias, the dumber you are (or become)? Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

36 posted on 11/29/2004 4:36:18 PM PST by badbass
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To: woodb01

Excellent work Woodb01.

The screams and outrageous articles from the mediots will increase as they start to realize that their days in the sun are over.


37 posted on 11/29/2004 4:38:29 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: weegee

38 posted on 11/29/2004 4:41:00 PM PST by martin_fierro (00111100 00100000 01111100 00111010 00101001 01111110)
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To: Grampa Dave

I'm LOLing here! Brilliant!


39 posted on 11/29/2004 4:46:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: chiller
And other than Rather, this guy is the biggest loser among losers:

Lawrence O'Donnell

40 posted on 11/29/2004 4:49:02 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Puckster
... God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America.”

You rang?

41 posted on 11/29/2004 4:57:27 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: badbass

More likely, I'm reading him wrong.


42 posted on 11/29/2004 5:35:47 PM PST by chiller (1 down (Jf'nK) and 1 to go (old media))
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To: Landru
Gee; isn't cannabalism against the law?!?!

Now, there's always the outside possibility this Rip Van Rosen lady could have been asleep for a while? Something else strikes me about libs, sortof like surfers possibly, she sees a big wave coming and she's paddling like crazy???

Like you, I'm somewhat skeptical(heh heh) of pinks everywhere, especially in the MSM. BUT, since they have no core values, maybe she, like most good libs, is attaching herself to the latest "fad"? Keeping a watchful eye on 'em in any case.

FGS

43 posted on 11/29/2004 5:37:37 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Dog Gone

"The MSM has been slain, but don't expect it to remain dead for long. There is still a market for it, but not what they're currently selling."

Wounded, not dead. Exposed, at least in the eyes of those observant enough to see or hear about it.

The network TV news is viewed by MORE people than Fox.

A lotta heads are still getting filled with mush.

But progress is progress (not to be mistaken for "progressive").

The network news presidents know they are losing viewers and influence. I expect their corporate boards have warned them about bias.


44 posted on 11/29/2004 5:55:43 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Grampa Dave; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; devolve
Peggy Noonan on Nov. 4, also in Opinion Journal, went wild over the whole idea. After affirming that “the biggest loser was the mainstream media,” she added that conservative bloggers had slain the dragon: “It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America.”

ha! Dat be us!


45 posted on 11/29/2004 7:39:46 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: Grampa Dave

Gramps, that is GREAT, where can I get a copy (of the dino cartoon).


46 posted on 11/29/2004 7:49:12 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: woodb01

Ive been to your site a few times and I like it! keep up the great work.


47 posted on 11/29/2004 8:50:05 PM PST by suzyq5558 (This space is reserved for the next round of liberal silliness.)
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To: weegee

Thanks for the ping. Peggy's great -- love her quotes...


48 posted on 11/29/2004 10:55:47 PM PST by GOPJ (M.Dowd...hits..like a bucket of vomit with Body Shop potpourri sprinked across the surface--Goldberg)
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To: The Right Stuff

You have the code in your freep mail box.


49 posted on 11/30/2004 6:55:10 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

We haven't slain the MSM dragon yet.

However, we have given a probable mortal blow.

Just remember a wounded predator becomes very dangerous after they are wounded.


50 posted on 11/30/2004 6:57:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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