Posted on 12/22/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by Graybeard58
"You know, I know nothing more about the class performance on tests than you do. However, we do know that one child was hesitant to speak to him about receiving help because of him using religion frequently."
But that lack of evidence of a negative impact is material, that he spoke for up to 10 minutes is not. He could just as easily ahve spoken on football.
It is clearly the fact that he spoke on religion in a positive way that instigated the complaints against him nothing else. Not student performance, nothing else but that he shared his faith.
And that Christians go along with this persecution is really incredible.
Uh, don't you believe in contracts? Dude, when you get a job, you are forming a contract with your employer. You obey the rules and you work. You disobey the rules and you are unemployed. Dude.
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On a daily basis. That is a lot more than simply the "10 minutes" you stated he was fired for. Not to mention the prowling in the halls ...
So, why do you teach your children he was bisexual when you have no proof of such?
Uh, cornering students in the hallway and instigating unwelcome prayer sessions? But we know that you have lied about this from the beginning so I don't expect you to own up now.
This is true. However, we are the people that are the first to point out that the concept of "separation of church and state" is not a government doctrine, but was merely mentioned by President Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. We, therefore, should also not make arguments based upon concepts set forth in other presidential letters, even if they are friendlier to our way of thinking.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. And, the fact that we are fair in our arguments is what sets FReepers apart from the folks at DU.
Just like when you argued that he was answering a student's question, you are making facts up out of thin air. Nowhere in the article does it say that he only spoke about religion for 10 minutes.
Assume the fact are as the paper reported. I know that may not always be the case, but that is all you and I have to go on. And until I have information that contradicts that, either from another media source or, at least, from someone in that community that knows more about the situation than we do, I am going to base my thoughts on the facts at hand.
There are thousands of scenarios that could be made up to support either one of our sides. But the fact is, we only know what is reported in this article.
Only if you're willing to say that pagan imagery, promotion of Islam, secularist anti-values, and the rest foisted on innocent children in the name of 'diversity' or 'environmentalism' must also be removed. If they aren't, then he shouldn't be going anywhere, either. Ideally, the government schools would teach a 'values-neutral' curriculum reflecting the sort of Protestant ethic known in the time of the founders, with added tolerance for Catholicism, even Islam, and assorted unpopular denominations that may no longer even exist. But they would teach strictly the three r's. Teachers bored by simply that, who preferred more, would indeed be fired. But we're SO FAR from anything close to that, where Islam is even actively taught to impressionable kids AFTER 9/11 in these same schools, that not only should you say he should NOT be fired, but that they desperately need to hire many more of the same! Such are the times.
Both Islam and Christianity, along with the other religions should be taught in schools. Just not in the math classes. And students should be free from the attacks of zealots as the go from class to class.
NO, he's there to teach math, not religion. What does, "WHAT WOULD YOU WANT ON YOUR TOMBSTONE?" have to do with religion? He doesn't belong in the public school system.
Do you really mean that? Or is it just words? Because if the field is occupied, you can't forfeit the game. Do you go to physics class to hear evolution defended as an inviolate and unassailable creed? Do you allow the children to open their coloring books on crude pagan stickworks hung from the branches of trees? As I said, if the situation is such, you want many MORE of those like him to take the field, and even it up, at the very least.
Merry Christmas!
Pepperoni, Italian sausage, black olives, jalapeños, mushrooms, and some extra cheese.
"Both Islam and Christianity, along with the other religions should be taught in schools"
What on earth are you saying? It is the Christian faith that has been the foundation of our nation not the moon cult. And it is not a matter of teaching anything...it's a matter of a Christian teacher being allowd to say what he wants in his own way. He wasn't fired for not doing a good job teaching Math but rather for expressing his Christian views.
His firing screams hate and a complete ignorance of the constitution.
"Just like when you argued that he was answering a student's question, you are making facts up out of thin air. "
I was refering to a stat that some other people have claimed to have found elsewhere.
If you dont believe me review the posts and you'll likely find it unless you are too closely related to OBB.
Sorry I cant do better than that.
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