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He's teaching in the wrong school.
1 posted on 12/22/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Well, I agree to a point, that he shouldn't be using the classroom for this.

I'm sure, however, that if he was promoting gay marriage, abortion, sexual promiscuity, etc. he would still have his job.


2 posted on 12/22/2004 7:09:03 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Yes, he should be a teacher in a private Christian school. "Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar."


4 posted on 12/22/2004 7:10:19 AM PST by freebilly
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a parent

One intollerant parent ruins an entire class.

5 posted on 12/22/2004 7:10:29 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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"What inspires you to love people?"

"If you were to die today, what would you put on your tombstone, and why?"


These are *math* questions???


8 posted on 12/22/2004 7:12:33 AM PST by orionblamblam
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I can appreciate and respect his convictions, but he did not use wisdom. He was hired to teach math and let his convictions to God and Christ get in the way of that. It is kind of fraudulent of him to agree to get paid to teach math, then spend so much class room time speaking of his faith.


9 posted on 12/22/2004 7:12:34 AM PST by PreviouslyA-Lurker (Some Americans don't understand that being an American is more than living in America.)
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Everybody knows about the religion exception to the First Amendment.


10 posted on 12/22/2004 7:12:36 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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But yet, if he had been spewing forth animal rights propaganda or rain forest myths he would have been in no danger of losing his job and probably would have been nominated for the "teacher of the year" award. As you point out, he's simply teaching in the wrong school, but these are the kids who need to hear that there is a moral standard, and that some things are simply wrong, even if the Bible happens to say the same thing. I applaud his stand, he and he alone must stand before God someday and account for his use of is life. I would rather be in his shoes on that day than in the shoes of those who were offended by his open support of his Creator.
12 posted on 12/22/2004 7:13:06 AM PST by jwpjr
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Its better he move on...there are plenty of good Christian schools that he can teach at. And he'll be better for it.


13 posted on 12/22/2004 7:13:25 AM PST by wallcrawlr (www.bionicear.com)
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My highschool social studies teacher used to spend 10 minutes or more of class time talking about how Reagan was a murdering butcher and how big business was ruining America...could we call that preaching?

Seriously, this guy went too far. Hope he finds a good Christian school to teach in.


15 posted on 12/22/2004 7:13:38 AM PST by Electrowoman
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Yep. He is paid to teach, not preach and God can stand up for himself. He didn't win any lost kids by disobeying his authorities in front of them.


17 posted on 12/22/2004 7:14:49 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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He's also teaching the wrong subject at the
wrong level of education. If he has a need
to express his own religious beliefs, he should
be teaching comparative religion/ethics/sociology
in a parochial school or at the college level.
Many Teens are not ready to explore their own
mortality, contemplate an after life, much less
the Overall Purpose of Life.
I agree with his dismissal...he was hired to teach mathematics.


18 posted on 12/22/2004 7:14:50 AM PST by Grendel9
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"The district's lawyer, Kelley Baker, however, asserted that the law clearly prohibits teachers from imposing their religious beliefs on students and from praying with or in the presence of them."

I guess this applies unless you are promoting islam. I am sickened by the number of stories I hear where teachers and school administrators are suspended/fired for talking about Christian topics, yet teachers who openly promote islam do not suffer the same fate.
20 posted on 12/22/2004 7:14:58 AM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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I bet he would do great in some missionary work - I'd be willing to help support him in that endeavor. There are far too many of us who claim to love God and to proclaim our salvation for Eternity, but who also fail to take advantage of the ample opportunities to carry His Word.

Alas, I also fall into this category, but I renew my efforts to do better daily.

24 posted on 12/22/2004 7:17:52 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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It just illustrates why the whole concept of public schools can't work in a country that practices strict separation of church and state. The church/state debate has become more than just a sideshow in the public schools. It's tearing them apart.


25 posted on 12/22/2004 7:18:04 AM PST by Brilliant
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He admitted that on some days he spent up to 10 minutes per class discussing religion,...

As long as Moslems, Hindus, Scientologists, atheists, etc, ..are allowed the same priviledge.

26 posted on 12/22/2004 7:19:33 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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He will get a better job, making more money.

It is the students that will be the losers.

Which is exactly what the school board and nea want.

We can't have the pesants educated to the level of us nobles.

Besides if they were educated instead of being indoctineated, they would not believe the communistic bullshit we feed them.

Can't have that.

My children all graduated before this baloney had gotten started.

If I had a child today, I gurantee you that they would never set foot inside a government school as a student.


27 posted on 12/22/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by sport
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Cassie Young, 16, a student in one of Ziegler's pre-algebra classes, was among several students who left the hearing teary-eyed after the board announced its decision. Young said the decision was "one more way of kicking God out of school." "The law of man is wrong, and one day everyone will know that," she said.

Amen Cassie, Amen!

28 posted on 12/22/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by afnamvet
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There was a time where his actions would have been completely acceptable if no encouraged in public schools. I think it's sad that time has passed and liberals are trying to make us a godless society.

This teacher is a brave young man. I admire his faith and conviction. I'm sure his talents will be put to use elsewhere, but I'm glad he made them fire him rather than let himself be silenced.

I'm also glad he didn't get lawyers involved and waste his money and the school's.

He's leaving with the respect of many of the students and school board. It sounds like God has big plans for this young man.
30 posted on 12/22/2004 7:24:36 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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Hey, wait up everybody.

Is this a case where a teacher initiated a religious lecture independently or is this a case where he was asked by a student about his religious beliefs?

The former I agree is out of line, but where does it say in the First Amendment that a teacher cannot honestly answer questions about his faith?

The First Amendment PROTECTS the right of government employees to religious expression, so how has this been twisted around to mean that hey cannot express their religion instead?

The First Amendment says : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Further history shows:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html

Madison's version of the speech and press clauses, introduced in the House of Representatives on June 8, 1789, provided: ''The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.''1 The special committee rewrote the language to some extent, adding other provisions from Madison's draft, to make it read: ''The freedom of speech and of the press, and the right of the people peaceably to assemble and consult for their common good, and to apply to the Government for redress of grievances, shall not be infringed.''2 In this form it went to the Senate, which rewrote it to read: ''That Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and consult for their common good, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.''3 Subsequently, the religion clauses and these clauses were combined by the Senate.4 The final language was agreed upon in conference.

This teacher is having his freedom of speech curtailed if he is simply responding to student query concerning it.

Why have Christians adopted the same fraudulent perspective of their enemies?

35 posted on 12/22/2004 7:33:21 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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Sounds like he's a great guy . . . who should have been fired.


37 posted on 12/22/2004 7:35:40 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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