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Why Arabs Lose Wars
de Atkine ^ | December 1999 | Norvell B. De Atkine, U.S Army (Ret.)

Posted on 12/24/2004 2:25:20 PM PST by John Jorsett

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To: JRandomFreeper

Back when I was in ROTC they told us that no matter what listen to the NCO's at whatever assignment you get. Never stop listening to them and don't assume you're even on par with them in terms of knowledge till you're old enough to have them in your kids high school yearbook.


41 posted on 12/24/2004 4:13:00 PM PST by Bogey78O ("Kill The Tartars on the night of the 15th of the 8th moon")
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To: Publius6961

Quite a long article, but very interesting.


42 posted on 12/24/2004 4:22:41 PM PST by highlander_UW (Islam - The Religion of Peace, and we'll kill you to prove it)
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To: Bogey78O
Don't get me wrong. I respect all of the officers set above me. And will follow their lawful orders.

But, sometimes, you need to 'splain things to them. As they have to explain order and theory to NCOs.

The corps of professional NCOs in the US military is a great idea. And, having dealt with a certain Army SFC, I think it's a grand idea.

/john

43 posted on 12/24/2004 4:25:12 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: John Jorsett

marking.


44 posted on 12/24/2004 4:26:43 PM PST by gaijin
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To: John Jorsett

Bump for later.


45 posted on 12/24/2004 4:30:22 PM PST by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: ops33

I worked in a similar capacity with the Omanis during the first Gulf war, only as a Security Policeman helping them build defensive positions.

I had similar experiences-although my counterpart was a warrant officer and he was not quite as stand offish as an officer would be.

I think the need for manipulation is more cultural than what is bred by the natural friction between officers and enlisted


46 posted on 12/24/2004 4:38:21 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: 5Madman2

What base? I was at Thumrait.


47 posted on 12/24/2004 4:44:13 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Bogey78O
I respect all of the officers set above me. And will follow their lawful orders.

And, have really cared for 4 in my entire career. A 1st Lt., back in the 80's. She was enlisted before she was a Flight Commander.... A certain Major, that commanded the 49th CRS, just because it was required.... A certain Lt. Col. that was my driver on a short tour.... (God, don't let officers {ESPECIALLY PILOTS} drive).... And a certain Captain. He does a passable job.

/john

48 posted on 12/24/2004 4:49:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Southack

Must-see TV.


49 posted on 12/24/2004 4:49:49 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: ops33

I am still unsure of it it releaseable, so I won't. This is not meant to add to the Mystery. I have heard many conflicting versions of what can be said about the location due to local sensitivities, so I need to err on the side of caution.

I admit confusion due to both being told one thing by superiors and seeing other things published in the press

I will say that I know your conditions were much more spartan than where I was and I admire your resiliency


50 posted on 12/24/2004 4:52:47 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: John Jorsett
This is why it is taking so long for us to stand up an Iraqi army. However, with trial and error, through the process of elimination, we are finally developing working units. Those who went into Fallujah with our Marines were surprisinging eager to learn and to help. I read one e-mail from one of our guys who said the Iraqis were exactly where they were expected, without being told.

We are starting from scratch in Iraq, but once built, they will be fantastic.

51 posted on 12/24/2004 5:07:28 PM PST by McGavin999 (Senate is trying to cover their A$$es with Rumsfeld hide)
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To: John Jorsett
Good read. Except the conclusion is incorrect. The reason Arab armies suck, is that they don't allow their women rights. Right to vote, right to drive, right to own property, or the RIGHT TO PRODUCE GOODS and SERVICES. Like avionics, computers, etc. How many patents come out of the Arab world? Or from WOMEN in the Arab world?

The Arab countries under utilizing their women have kept their societies (and armies) a few centuries behind the West. Come to think of it, with Islam and it's creed, maybe the tyrants of Arab society should keep their women oppressed.

5.56mm

52 posted on 12/24/2004 5:07:47 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: ops33

That's a very interesting experience. Thanks for sharing it.


53 posted on 12/24/2004 5:10:10 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

Oh, hell, it's simple. More of their guys die than those they're fighting against.


54 posted on 12/24/2004 5:14:14 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: M Kehoe
How many patents come out of the Arab world?

I have a count for patent infringements out of the Arab world. But no counts for patents.

And to think, that culture gave us algebra. It's sad to see them fall so far.

Neener... Neener...

/john

55 posted on 12/24/2004 5:19:37 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: John Jorsett

Bump


56 posted on 12/24/2004 5:22:16 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: SolutionsOnly; Alouette; Salem; SJackson
Now I'd like ti see the author do a paper on why the United States is so inept in the public relations front and is seemingly unable able to counter the likes of Al-Jezeera and other Arab and European propaganda mills

Because the American military specializes in killing people and breaking things, and the Arab militaries specialize in bulls**t. Everyone performs best in their area of expertise.

[PING! Long and posted previously, but still important.]

57 posted on 12/24/2004 5:22:24 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Yeah, I've never understood BTTP postings, ob Bump to read later postings. If I want to read it later I bookmark it. Why clutter everyone elses recient post list with stuff that is basically for your own use?


58 posted on 12/24/2004 5:27:27 PM PST by konaice
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ever hear of Psy-Ops?


59 posted on 12/24/2004 5:29:15 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes, we are practical people. We learn from our mistakes and use that learning to WIN. We are fluid and adaptable. The Arabs, from what is written in the article, are more interested in image than effectiveness. They can never in their wildest dreams defeat the US militarily. Their 'culture' sucks!!


60 posted on 12/24/2004 5:59:37 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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