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Gay Agenda In Schools Riles Parents
Eagle Forum ^ | Jan. 13, 2005

Posted on 01/14/2005 11:58:52 AM PST by Lindykim

NUMBER 228THE NEWSPAPER OF EDUCATION RIGHTSJANUARY 2005

Gay Agenda in Schools Riles Parents On the heels of lopsided votes against same-sex marriage in 11 state referenda last November, parents and students are becoming more vocal in resisting school programs aimed at support for the homosexual lifestyle.

In northeastern Kentucky, hundreds of students have defied the Ashland-Boyd County school district's "mandatory anti-harassment workshops" required by an agreement with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) that also allows the Gay-Straight Alliance student group to meet in school buildings. Some 324 students did not come to school the day the tolerance training video was shown, and hundreds more refused to watch it.

The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance. Joseph Platt, a lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior is immoral." (Washington Times, 12-1-04)

In Montgomery County, MD, pastors and parents are joining forces to oppose a new sex education program in high schools that promotes homosexuality. The program teaches 8th- and 10th-graders that sexual experimentation with members of the same sex is common and normal, that same-sex couples are one form of traditional family and that homosexuality is not a choice. The program also includes a video in which a girl is shown fitting a condom on a cucumber. Parents must provide written permission for their child to participate in the week-long sex education program. Abstinence-only classes and an independent study option will be offered as alternatives, according to a spokeswoman for the county public school system.

The new curriculum also teaches that "a family is two or more people who are joined together by emotional feelings or who are related to one another." Three members of the citizens advisory committee that endorsed the curriculum resigned in protest, said Michelle Turner, a committee member and mother of a high school student.

"Sexual orientation being introduced to 8th-graders is totally inappropriate for such a young age and is only going to confuse kids, and it's contrary to what many parents want to teach their children," she said, adding that the parental permission slips should contain more detail about the program. "I don't understand why we have to teach kids how to put on a condom. If they can't figure out how to put on a condom, then they're too stupid to be having sex." (Washington Times, 11-11-04)

Meanwhile, a dozen organizations led by the National School Boards Association have issued "practical" guidelines to help school officials deal with legal issues involving students' sexual orientation and gender identity.

Boys in dresses

On a question about cross-dressing, the guide states: "A restriction on boys' wearing dresses to school would be appropriate in communities where such attire on males would result in substantial disruption of the learning process, but in other locales, cross dressing might actually be more socially acceptable and cause minimal disruption in school, making such a restriction less legally justifiable."

The guide continues, "Schools with sex-specific dress codes could consider making a narrow exception for transgender students - students who are biologically of one gender, but psychologically identify with the opposite gender." (CNSNews.com, 10-13-04)

One small-town school in east Texas actually held an official "cross-dressing day" on November 17. After prodding by Liberty Legal Institute, Spurger Elementary agreed to exempt two children from attendance based on their parents' moral convictions, as Texas law requires.

An Iowa parent has questioned the appropriateness of a book read to 6th-graders in which one of the four main characters is gay. The objection is being considered by a special committee and the school board in the Pleasant Valley School District.

A pastor spoke in support of the parent at a November open forum about the book, The Misfits by James Howe, which he described as having a homosexual overtone. "It would be one thing to have the book in the library," said Mike Fendley. "The issue is it is being read to students." He explained that he has no problem with the book being used at the high school level, but he believes parents should be notified of its use in elementary and junior high school. (qctimes.com, 11-26-04)

T-shirt battles

Pro-gay and anti-gay T-shirts continue to kindle disputes under school dress codes. The ACLU filed suit November 23 against a Webb City, MO school district for prohibiting a 16-year-old from wearing gay-pride T-shirts to school. School officials assert the shirts are disruptive, and have sent other students home who wore homemade gay-pride shirts in support of the first student. The mother of one of them expressed support for the school's position, saying "I would have never let her wear that shirt to school." (Associated Press, 12-5-04)

A student pulled out of class for wearing an anti-gay T-shirt has pressed a federal lawsuit against officials of Poway High School in the San Diego, CA area. The youth acted in response to a "Day of Silence" observed by some students in support of the rights of gays and lesbians. The Alliance Defense Fund took up the student's case and predicts it will wind up in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. (SignOnSanDiego.com, 11-6-04)

In a strange case involving a lesbian public school teacher, a 7th-grade language arts instructor in South Haven, MI has been accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old former female student, participating in witchcraft and even "wedding" her in a pagan ritual. The teacher, who has been placed on leave from her job, lived with another woman and their adopted son prior to her arraignment. If convicted, she faces a maximum sentence of life in prison. (Associated Press, 12-4-04)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California; US: Iowa; US: Kentucky; US: Maryland; US: Missouri; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aclu; asspackers; deviants; fasttrack; gayclu; gayru; homosexualagenda; publicschool; soros; theywantyourchildren; unholylifestyle; witchcraft
Excerpt From "On 'Socially Enlightened Zombies' and Necessary Conflict"

"Herbert Marcuse, of the Marxist/Nietzschean Frankfurt School, which is credited with devising political correctness, extrapolated upon Marxism so as to include homosexuals among the "oppressed groups." The research findings of Alfred Kinsey, sadmasochistic- homosexual-pedophile were incorporated into a larger ideology which eventually came to be known as 'queer liberation' theory. Propounders of this insanity have been so successful in conditioning some Americans that they no longer believe there are but two genders...male and female. Instead, they've been cruelly conditioned into accepting the queer fairytale claim that biology and physiology play no role in what an individual wishes to believe he is {sexually} at any given moment; that in fact, mankind is gender-neutral." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320220/posts

1 posted on 01/14/2005 11:58:53 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim

We have been discussing inexpensive ways to fast track kids through high school to avoid the liberal agenda:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315730/posts?page=84#84

The thread title was not well thought out, because some parents might instinctively skip over it due to attached stigma, whether real or imagined.



2 posted on 01/14/2005 12:01:26 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Lindykim

Home school BUMP!

Separation of School and State BUMP!


3 posted on 01/14/2005 12:03:42 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; Ed Current; Jay777; little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow

ping

The "disgendering" and/or 'queering" of America encompasses a whole range of issues from destruction and overthrowing of our culture; destruction of traditional marriage; deconstruction of our Constitution and Rule of Law; and the ACLU, the group that most visibly serves as the 'dogs of destruction' for the Left and their social revolution.


4 posted on 01/14/2005 12:04:05 PM PST by Lindykim
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


5 posted on 01/14/2005 12:08:08 PM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


6 posted on 01/14/2005 12:08:49 PM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

double ping!


7 posted on 01/14/2005 12:10:07 PM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: Lindykim
The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance.

Am I reading this right? The ACLU wants to force these kids to watch this? What kind of civil liberties do they think these kids and their parents have? None? I almost wish they'd try it. My bet is they'd wish they hadn't.

8 posted on 01/14/2005 12:15:14 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Lindykim

Not too much room left for Reading, 'Riting and 'Rithmetic, is there?


9 posted on 01/14/2005 12:15:42 PM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: Lindykim

If the gay sensitivity classes are half as full of Sheit as the Racial sensitivity classes I wouldnt advise anyone to attend. I never heard such a load of crap in my life as at a racial sensitivity class. I came out so pissed off if I wasnt a bigot when I went in I was when I left, It took a couple of days to get back to my normal non-bigoted self.


10 posted on 01/14/2005 12:18:59 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: jocon307

Maybe parents will get riled enough that they will unite to bring back common sense in the schools and get rid of the mediation type classes, the diversity crap the touchy feely stuff and reinstitute the three "R"'s and respect for teachers. I just saw a thread that said students pick grades!!!


11 posted on 01/14/2005 12:20:13 PM PST by LYSandra
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To: Lindykim

I love this line!

"I don't understand why we have to teach kids how to put on a condom. If they can't figure out how to put on a condom, then they're too stupid to be having sex."


LOL!


12 posted on 01/14/2005 12:23:05 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: Lindykim
Some 324 students did not come to school the day the tolerance training video was shown, and hundreds more refused to watch it.

Sweet Home Kentucky!

The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance.

Fascism is freedom.

Joseph Platt, a lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior is immoral."

Absolutely. Parents are a child's natural primary educators.

13 posted on 01/14/2005 12:25:56 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Bigh4u2

it kept falling off their tongues............


14 posted on 01/14/2005 12:27:10 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Lindykim


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts?page=11#11

Gay.ru is a Soros-funded Moscow NGO that has developed "into an established and recognized Russian gay and lesbian center" and "the clearing house for lesbian and gay groups scattered across the country"

http://www.gay.ru/english/

Russian GayLesBiTrans Site - International Section


15 posted on 01/14/2005 12:28:32 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Lindykim

I am sick and tired of gay activists forcing their agenda down kids throats. I'm not saying gay people should go back into the closet, but there should be boundaries where and where not to promote your agenda. Kids in junior high should know that gay folks exists (as if they didn't already,) and that it's not right to persecute them. But there is no need to elaborate on anything. They will find out all they need to know in their regular lives as they go to high school, college, work etc I never met a gay person till I was in high school ...but then I am 46 years old and lived a sheltered life (haha).


16 posted on 01/14/2005 12:29:20 PM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: Lindykim

BTTT!


17 posted on 01/14/2005 12:31:54 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Aquinasfan

"The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance."

My question is, how are they going to 'enforce' attendance?

Armed guards outside the school and classrooms?

I'd love to see them try!


18 posted on 01/14/2005 12:41:21 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: TheDon

You betcha. There is NO WAY I would send my child to a school that promotes a gay agenda and on the other hand doesn't want God's name mentiioned. Something wrong with that way of thinking. Nope, Home School is right. Parents don't have to put up with that. It's always what the opposition wants all the time. That is not balanced and therefore, should be challenged. The opposition wants to take everything away from parents and that is not right and never will be right.


19 posted on 01/14/2005 1:08:44 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Bigh4u2

The ACLU will come kick down your door and drag your kids off to Gay Induction Class, put tooth picks in to hold open their eyelids and a straight jacket to make them face the screen. They are going to make them gay whether you like it or not.


20 posted on 01/14/2005 1:09:15 PM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Aquinasfan

Absolutely. Parents are a child's natural primary educators.



Always have been and always will be. NO ONE ELSE should EVER have that right over parents. Glad the parents did what they did and the fact the kids refused to look at it says maybe progress is being made. I referenced that in a previous post. It's ALWAYS about what the other side wants. Well, it's about time the parents stand up for their children and their children's rights as well. Good for them.


21 posted on 01/14/2005 1:10:56 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Nuzcruizer

In their dreams maybe.


22 posted on 01/14/2005 1:12:00 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: groanup

they are indeed trying to force it. One hopes they will not succeed we will see. KY is one state where parents have guts! They may just continue to ignore the ACLU as a nuisense.


23 posted on 01/14/2005 1:13:54 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Aquinasfan; All

bump


24 posted on 01/14/2005 1:20:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: gidget7

Perhaps they should adopt a law such as the one in texas which mandates the teaching of homosexuality as an unacceptable lifestyle choice. The do it via a health and hygene perspective. (that was not affected by the lawrence decision)


25 posted on 01/14/2005 1:22:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Lindykim

We may never see an open season on the ACLU and its ilk, but the day is coming when late-comers to God will be exterminating them. The battle has already been decided and won, but so many of Satan's minions are too ignorant to know it.


26 posted on 01/14/2005 1:25:40 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: sgtbono2002
Diversity classes are such a royal waste of time. I think that they tend just to make everyone on both sides of the fence hypersensitive.

If a person is not bigoted, then attending a class is largely a waste of time.

If a person is a bigot, it's hard to believe that they'll reform lifelong hatreds based on an 8-hour-class, presented by the very minorities that they purport to hate.

The HR people at our company are largely a bunch of idiots. They're so practiced in not stepping on any toes that they accomplish nothing and say even less. There's a reason why engineers become engineers, and bureaucrats go into HR.

27 posted on 01/14/2005 1:37:59 PM PST by wbill
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To: Lindykim; little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; ItsOurTimeNow; Bryan
BTTT



What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"



See also: No Name Calling Week?

28 posted on 01/14/2005 2:11:46 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Born Conservative

Public schools ping


29 posted on 01/14/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping. Kind of an overview of various happenings in various schools. Some good news - great news from KY, and dubious from other places. Like the pastor who didn't like the pro-"gay" book for small kids, but thought it was ok for high schoolers to be indoctrinated.

More evidence that the homosexual activsts are going for broke with child indoctrination.

Rip the kids out of school now. Note: No Child Left Behind may not be good for homeschools and charter schools.

Let me and DirtyHarryY2K if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


30 posted on 01/14/2005 2:36:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (The "Gay Agenda" exists only in the minds of little jeremiah and his cohort. - Modern Man)
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To: Bigh4u2

"If they can't figure out how to put on a condom, then they're too stupid to be having sex."

LOL, that is the best line in the piece, she's certainly right about that!


31 posted on 01/14/2005 2:49:55 PM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: All; Admin Moderator

Did anyone else get weird mispelled email from "trinnyandcoll"?

I recieved three.


32 posted on 01/14/2005 4:19:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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33 posted on 01/14/2005 7:29:08 PM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." Richard Nixon)
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To: longtermmemmory

yes, I deleted without replying


34 posted on 01/14/2005 8:13:34 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Lindykim

One can hope that the public raises cain about these behavior forming programs in the schools. It is not the schools job, and bullying and the like can be handled with existing school processes, like detention and suspension.

Political correctness, multiculturalism, and homosexual tolerance programs are political manefestations of the democratic party and are out of order on a school campus. One would not allow a teacher to preach their political philosophy in class and this is no different. Come on people take back control of your schools.


35 posted on 01/14/2005 8:17:26 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: wbill
If a person is a bigot, it's hard to believe that they'll reform lifelong hatreds based on an 8-hour-class, presented by the very minorities that they purport to hate.

How about the other class of people, who are moral and don't want their kids importuned by gays pederasts intent on spreading their special-purpose propaganda and promoting looser morals, but mostly on just getting at the kids?

How about them? Are they bigoted, for wanting to transmit the received morality of the last twenty centuries to their children?

Gay men are basically like amoral heterosexual men: They don't care whether they have to get over someone or lie to them to get them to lie down. They are different in this: that over the centuries, they've been much more inclined to be youth-worshippers and to pursue underage boys, than heterosexual men are inclined to pursue underage girls. It was a social problem in Athens (see the definition of "pedagogue", which impeaches the gay argument that people in Athens were tolerant of "boy-love"), and if anything they would like to import Athens's pederastic social problem and make it our own.

They want the boys. They are perfectly willing to discuss any arrangement, any truth, any social study, fact, information, or canard, for that matter, that leads to the happy outcome of gay men recruiting teenaged and preteenaged boys openly, at will, and without any effectual opposition from outraged parents, family, churches, or conservatives.

Which raises the interesting question, why are liberals rightly concerned about young heterosexual men in high school who are running around getting girls pregnant as a kind of amoral game, but absolutely insistent, on the other hand, that homosexual men be given the opportunity to do the exact same thing in the very same schools?

36 posted on 01/15/2005 1:31:28 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: KC_for_Freedom; Lindykim
Political correctness, multiculturalism, and homosexual tolerance programs are political manefestations of the democratic party and are out of order on a school campus.

Concurring and reinforcing bump.

BTTT.

37 posted on 01/15/2005 1:37:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus; wbill

snip...They are different in this: that over the centuries, they've been much more inclined to be youth-worshippers and to pursue underage boys, than


I believe they pursue young males because they are 'female-like.' Even though they're abnormally attracted to their own sex, they're still driven to and/or attracted to the 'female' body type. In lurking same-sex activist dgs, I've read threads where they described the sort of 'male' they're most attracted to. Here's what say said: pretty face, smooth skin, rounded cheeks, full lips, rounded stomach. That's a female body.


38 posted on 01/15/2005 3:13:57 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim
Interesting!

I duked it out with them for a couple of years on Salon's "TableTalk". When the discussion was entre nous, like the conversations you followed, there was lots of chuckling and cackling over the pursuit of boys. But just use the word "pederast" in a quote, and hell wouldn't hold their indignation at such vile "phobe" canards.

I really don't like actively dishonest people. And these activists are.

39 posted on 01/15/2005 3:36:55 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

At one time I had a link {which I've been trying to relocate) to something called the "Queen's Dictionary". As you can guess, it's a compilation of 'homo' cant.
The most insightful aspect though was that the majority of the cant was directed at describing young males and the types of sex-acts performed with regards to boys.
Disgusting cant such as "eggs {toddlers} and chickens {adolescent boys) abounded. Like you, I used to duke it out with them and when I would use some of their own repulsive cant, they couldn't lie and deny fast enough, lol!


40 posted on 01/15/2005 3:47:44 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim

BTTT


41 posted on 01/15/2005 3:52:06 AM PST by spodefly (This message packaged with desiccant. Do not open until ready for use or inspection.)
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To: brooklyn dave
I'm not saying gay people should go back into the closet...

I disagree. they should go crawl back into the cesspool, from whence they came... I also do not call then "gay", since that is a usurption of a great old word, which has nothing to do with buggering!

42 posted on 01/15/2005 4:02:25 AM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: groanup; Lindykim; Jay777
Am I reading this right? The ACLU wants to force these kids to watch this?

If you'll notice, the school wouldn't be showing it AT ALL except for another lawsuit.

In fact, a lot of the stuff some FReepers tend to blame on public schools is actually a result of lawsuits filed by parents and students - remember Michael Newdow and the Pledge of Allegiance?

I think Jay777's post about fighting the ACLU is more appropriate, because in many cases they are forcing this into the public schools against the wishes of the teachers, school boards, students, and parents.

Here's an interesting paragraph from the article about a sex education program in Maryland:

Parents must provide written permission for their child to participate in the week-long sex education program. Abstinence-only classes and an independent study option will be offered as alternatives, according to a spokeswoman for the county public school system.

Those look like good alternatives to me - abstinence only education, or leave sex-education to the parents and let the students study something else entirely that week. I wonder which of the three options will be most used? That will suggest the direction the school will take in the future, I'd bet.

Here's another, that the article seems to try to spin to suggest schools don't mind students cross-dressing:

Meanwhile, a dozen organizations led by the National School Boards Association have issued "practical" guidelines to help school officials deal with legal issues involving students' sexual orientation and gender identity....On a question about cross-dressing, the guide states: "A restriction on boys' wearing dresses to school would be appropriate in communities where such attire on males would result in substantial disruption of the learning process, but in other locales, cross dressing might actually be more socially acceptable and cause minimal disruption in school, making such a restriction less legally justifiable."

In other words, if a school board gets sued in some parts of the country for not letting boys dress like girls, it could probably win. In other places, they'd be wasting taxpayer money to try.

The school system where I grew up included a Bible story and the Lord's Prayer in the morning devotional (along with the Pledge and the Star Spangled Banner) long after they were "supposed" to stop, but they finally had to stop because of a parent lawsuit.

43 posted on 01/15/2005 5:59:05 AM PST by Amelia
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To: Lindykim
...school programs aimed at support for the homosexual lifestyle...

I wonder if any of the school "programs," which we know will attempt to glorify the perverted homosexual methods of orgasm, will inform the children that most serial killers were homosexuals?

Will they instruct them that some of these homosexual killers ate their bedmates after having their orgasm?

Will they tell them that homosexuals ingest fecal matter and will they inform the kiddies that sticking one's pee-pee up another's poo-poo isn't healthy?

Will the "instructors" mention to these skulls full-of-mush that unrepentent sexually active homosexuals will spend an eternity in hell?

44 posted on 01/15/2005 11:27:48 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal soon)
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To: JesseHousman

"No" to every one of your statements. Don't you know that 'Thou shalt be sensitive, tolerant, and inclusive" is the moral law of the land, which makes your statements evil? {extreme sarcasm}


45 posted on 01/15/2005 3:04:44 PM PST by Lindykim
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To: Kevin OMalley

Interesting. I have never seen any of these things as a public school teacher. There is no general gay agenda in public schools. There might be isolated cases, but the majority of us don't believe it belongs here.


46 posted on 01/15/2005 4:05:24 PM PST by moog
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To: lentulusgracchus
I was talking more in a general sense, having had to undergo 'diversity training' recently with my company, however...

Specifically, I think that if people want to 'opt out' or, more importantly, opt their children out of diversity brainwashing classes, that's fine. It doesn't have any bigotry attached to it. It's a question of morality, not a question of hatred. In fact, I'd call it a good lesson on the difference between tolerance and acceptance. Of course, there's no way that you could convince a diversity-mantra-chanting lib of that.

IMHO, I don't like the classes because they don't show both sides of homosexuality. They only promote the 'Hey, it's OK to be gay' part of the lifestyle. They don't talk about the increased rate of suicide, depression, AIDS, hepatitis, et al, ad infinitum. Heck, just the stress that it puts on a family is horrendous.

Wife has many gay friends. All of them dislike their lifestyle - only one, that I know of, has 'come out' to his family. If you can't talk to your Mom about your lifestyle, there's GOT to be something wrong with it.

I will disagree with you that all gays are pederasts. From my own, limited, interaction with my wife's friends, I think that it couldn't be further from the truth. Would I trust them to take care of my child? No - but only because they're a bunch of liberal flakes, with no sense of personal responsibility, and an attention span of about 5 minutes (far as I'm concerned, that's endemic to plenty of people, gay straight or otherwise). I think that I could safely leave my kid alone with any one of them and not worry about the sexual aspect. The kid's physical well-being, that's another story.....

47 posted on 01/17/2005 7:38:59 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

"Them" being my wife's friends. I don't pretend to know what's in the heads of the entire gay community. :-)


48 posted on 01/17/2005 7:42:26 AM PST by wbill
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To: Lindykim
The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance. Joseph Platt, a lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior is immoral."

The Libertarian Fallacy in a nutshell. If you base your entire society on "not harming someone else" you risk all sorts of claims of harm. It is far better to base your entire society on the moral law. Not one specific religion's version of the moral law, but the moral law that all religions recfognize and have codified for centuries.

Shalom.

49 posted on 01/18/2005 6:26:35 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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