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Did Bush really win Wisconsin? Possible voter fraud identified in Milwaukee
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Posted on 01/17/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by Nascardude

We're all completely familiar by now with the pretty rock-solid indications that the Democrats stole the Washington governors race - and now that we're getting proof of the rather large Democratic efforts at voter fraud, I think it is high time we started to look everywhere - and some people have started to take a look at Wisconsin.

Stranded on Blue Islands gives us the whole scoop about the Wisconsin vote but I'll just note three things:

1. You can register to vote on election day in Wisconsin.

2. In Miwaukee alone, 10,000 votes cannot be verified - ie, they cannot locate a voter at the address given at the precinct.

3. Kerry won Wisconsin by 11,384 votes.

Nothing surprised me more on election day than John Kerry winning Wisconsin; for weeks, I had that State pegged as a Bush State - and so did a lot of other pundits, based upon polls showing it leaning towards President Bush. Then election day comes, and Kerry pulls out a narrow win. Given that one of the three Democratic strongholds of Wisconsin has 10,000 so-far unaccountable votes, I think it stands to reason that the State of Wisconsin was stolen - adding Wisconsin's results to Washington's, I begin to feel safe in finally saying in public what I've only thought in private; that in both 2000 and 2004 the entire Democratic plan was to steal the election.

We all remember how close Gore came to pulling it off in Florida in 2000, but what is less well remembered is how his minions nearly stole Missouri and how President Bush was prepared to challenge the vote in Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico in 2000 until it became clear that the only way to defeat the Democratic attempts at theft in 2000 was to concentrate on the Florida vote. In 2004, we have the Washington and Wisconsin examples, but those of us who paid close attention remember the Democratic shennanigans in Detroit and Philadelphia - given that Kerry's margin of victory in both Michigan and Pennsylvania hinged upon how things went in Detroit and Philadelphia, we've at least got reason to urge investigations.

The Democrats immediately lept to their paranoid conspiracy theories about the Ohio vote in 2004 - we GOPers, on the other hand, have held-fire even though we thought things rather odd; held-fire, that is, until we've gotten something to go on. What we need is for people on the ground in the areas affected (ie, in Detroit, in Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, etc) to do a bit of sniffing around - the reason Democratic voter fraud has gone unchallenged for so long is because no one challenged it. Let's start challenging.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
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Okay. Here are the facts about Wisconsin:

1. You can register to vote on election day in Wisconsin.

2. In Miwaukee alone, 10,000 votes cannot be verified - ie, they cannot locate a voter at the address given at the precinct.

3. Kerry won Wisconsin by 11,384 votes.

4. On election day in Wisconsin, a Bush GTV headquarters was vandalized when vehicles that were to take Bush voters to the polls had all their tires slashed.

5. If Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes had gone to Bush, it would have taken Bush's electoral total to 296, which is beyond the margin that Ohio's 20 EVs would have made any difference.

Hey Corn Cobb! Hey Badnarick! Hey Rev. Jackson! Hey Tubbs-Lard Jones! Hey Boxer Shorts! Why aren't you crybabies saying anything about Wisconsin if you are so interested in preserving the integrity of every vote.

1 posted on 01/17/2005 9:49:20 AM PST by Nascardude
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To: Nascardude

I agree with you. However, it is the GOP's fault that they did not press this, nor challenge the electorial slate.


2 posted on 01/17/2005 9:52:14 AM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Nascardude

They're only interested in preserving the integrity of their own election results. They don't care what they have to do to get their opponents votes miscounted.

BTW you had a ton of credibility with me until you started name calling in that last little bit there. You could have just avoided that entirely.


3 posted on 01/17/2005 9:53:13 AM PST by timtoews5292004
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To: Perdogg

I don't think it would have mattered, the MSM would not even touch the truth and it would likely be something like Washington State.


4 posted on 01/17/2005 9:54:07 AM PST by Brian328i
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To: Perdogg

It would have been a major mistake for the GOP to challenge it. Then the liberal press could go ga ga and say "Hey Bush already won, yet he wants to rub it in Kerry's face by trying to steal Wisconsin." That would have blown up in their face.


5 posted on 01/17/2005 9:54:08 AM PST by Nascardude
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To: Nascardude
Vote Fraud is the life blood of the RAT party. Without it they would have trouble winning elections for dog catcher.

The GOP is far too weak kneed to take on the issue in a serious manner for fear of being called "racist."

6 posted on 01/17/2005 9:54:09 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Nascardude

See Philadelphia:

According to CNN, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Kerry by 121,818 votes (out of more than 5.6 million cast - a razor thin margin).

Also according to CNN, Kerry received over 517,000 votes and Bush received over 124,000 votes in Philadelphia (or a ratio of 4.16 for Kerry).

Now, for the really interesting numbers. According to the recent US Census, the Population of Philadelphia that is of voting age is 1,105,066. This number includes people who by law can not vote (non-American citizens, felons, out of state college students, etc.). In 2004, there are 1,035,395 registered voters in Philadelphia, up 34,000 from 2001.

So, what does this mean?

First, even as Philadelphia looses population, the number of registered voters continues to increase year after year. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau). Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number - even heavily democratic Broward Country, FL (one of the only places Gore wanted recounted in 2000) only went for Kerry 2:1 and Cook County, IL (Chicago - THE definition of the democrat voting machine) only went for Kerry 2.5:1.

Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.

And the amount of fraud easily exceeds the margin of loss of President Bush. For instance, if the registration was slightly above average and if Philadelphia was just your "average-democrat-rustbelt-city-union-stronghold with a 50 year democrat political machine," the vote for Kerry in Philadelphia would have been just over 300,000. The voter fraud in Philadelphia is worth about 200,000 votes - a deficit that any Republican running for statewide office must overcome with real votes.


7 posted on 01/17/2005 9:55:00 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Nascardude
in both 2000 and 2004 the entire Democratic plan was to steal the election.

Absolutely correct. Bill Richardson failed to deliver his state, which he had virtually guaranteed, and Blackwell in Ohio is a hero, imho.

8 posted on 01/17/2005 10:02:16 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Phantom Lord

Now's the time for Republicans in Congress to pass a law prohibiting same day registration in federal elections.

If they do nothing and let the democrats steal the election in 2008, they have no one to blame but themselves.


9 posted on 01/17/2005 10:04:41 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: 2banana

John Kerry just took the opportunity at today's MLK Day breakfast in Boston to charge voter intimidation in the last election. He gave no details, but he has a secret plan.


10 posted on 01/17/2005 10:05:33 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Nascardude

marked for later


11 posted on 01/17/2005 10:07:52 AM PST by silent_jonny (Funny taglines are great, but they won't save you any money on car insurance -- Geico)
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To: Nascardude

More: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321079/posts

* 84,000 people registered at the polls on November 2.
* 10,000 people, despite filling out illegible registration cards, were given ballots.
* The other 74,000 registrations have yet to be verified through mailing a confirmation to the address listed.


12 posted on 01/17/2005 10:08:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 2banana

If these various fraudulent counts and state-by-state results are tallied up, it becomes more and more clear that Bush DID really win a mandate, despite what Teddy Kennedy says. An honest vote in every state would have resulted in Bush winning well over 300 electoral votes, and possibly as many as 350.

There were no Blue states, only Blue counties, in this last election. And of the Blue counties, the Blue cities outvoted their surrounding county in most cases (except those municipalities where the city and county were congruent).


13 posted on 01/17/2005 10:09:09 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: Nascardude

My question is, if your average blogger can come up with plausible fraud scenarios backed by common-sense math using widely-known recent election result irregularities, then why isn't the GOP legal machine going after this large-scale fraud with gusto? Hmmm?


14 posted on 01/17/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: Nascardude
I was on the streets  and made what I saw known to the GOP, FBI, Committee of Seventy, the local radio stations, etc.  But nothing ever came of it.  I can't conduct an investigation myself, but was aggressive about offering information to authorities.
 
In fact, in the district which I ran, the total cast ballots far exceeded the registered voters (note:  We won't know for several months how many people were actually registered, but the old rolls had @ 18,000 and the totals were @ 24,000.  The rolls include many, many people who've moved or died.)

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that

15 posted on 01/17/2005 10:13:03 AM PST by South Hawthorne ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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To: Nascardude
Related thread.

10,000 same-day registrations in Milwaukee illegible

16 posted on 01/17/2005 10:14:52 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Nascardude

You sure wont see Doyle or Peg 'the keg' Lautenslagger look into any crimes that might damage the democrats in WI

imo


17 posted on 01/17/2005 10:20:28 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: 2banana

When was the last time Philadelphia purged the voter roles, if ever?..... Any info on that that you know of?


18 posted on 01/17/2005 10:22:54 AM PST by deport (Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: 2banana; Nascardude
I happen to feel thee is much credence in what you say, but allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. These are fairly massive frauds, and would have to occur over multiple EDs..otherwise the discrepancies would be blatantly obvious. So you'd have to have a great number pf people over many counties in on this, as weel as a great many dumb GOP poll observers. A Ben Franklin said.."three can keep a secret if two are dead.."..How would this be accomplished? You get the vote totals at the precinct levels, where you have officials fro both parties watching, right?..they are phoned in, or sent in on-line..where if they were then changed, the discrepancy would be obvious.. so the only way is to stuff the ballot boxes at the different polling places...The "problems" with this is are

1. As I said..it would require a lot of people..this wouldn't have been the first time, and you'd figure someone would talk, if for no reason than to cut a plea in another matter. The Mafia's code pfOmerta wasn't that effective

2. Even if #1 was possible..you wouldn't know how many votes you'd need to pull out the race.

Thanks..

19 posted on 01/17/2005 10:24:54 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Nascardude; 2banana

Spread the word around. It's absolutely nonsense that the only allegations of voter fraud have been that the GOP somehow stole Ohio and maybe Florida. It's totally ridiculous in those state's cases because of the huge margin between Bush and Kerry. But what people need to realise is that, had President Bush carried Wisconsin, he wouldn't have needed Ohio. We need to neutralise their stupid theories with the fact that there very well could have been enough fraud in Wisconsin (and possibly PA) to make Ohio arguments irrelevant.

Bottom line: voter fraud is not a Republican thing.


20 posted on 01/17/2005 10:29:59 AM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: deport
When was the last time Philadelphia purged the voter roles, if ever?..... Any info on that that you know of?

See

Philadelphia: City of (too many) voters
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a41f7e24141.htm

Philly Fraud by the numbers (a logical look at Philadelphia)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1268546/posts

21 posted on 01/17/2005 10:31:30 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number

A 4.16 ratio is not at all a surprising number. If anything, I'm surprised it's not even higher when you consider that Baltimore City and Washington DC went roughly 8:1 and 9:1 for Kerry.

22 posted on 01/17/2005 10:32:35 AM PST by rogers21774
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To: Perdogg

It wouldn't have mattered, so it would have been a total waste of political capital. Better to vocally fight fraud where it has an immediate effect, like Washington, and fight it more quietly in places like Wisconsin, where it can be done through criminal investigations, etc., without a need to challenge the results. The situation would be quite different if Bush had lost Ohio, though.


23 posted on 01/17/2005 10:40:58 AM PST by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: bowzer313

Because the election process is private! Even though there may have been tens of thousands of fraudulent votes, there is no way to state with certainty which candidate was the beneficiary of those votes, even though we may have strong suspicions based on demographics from precints.


24 posted on 01/17/2005 10:42:39 AM PST by republicandiva
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To: joesnuffy

"You sure wont see Doyle or Peg 'the keg' Lautenslagger look into any crimes that might damage the democrats in WI."

You've got that right, my friend! The Dems have a Death Grip on Wisconsin, and it's going to take some real effort by the Republicans to lossen it a bit. We do have the State Assembly and the Senate both under Republican control, but it still isn't enough for me! ;)


25 posted on 01/17/2005 10:43:13 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: 2banana
The following shows the increase beginning when the 1995 HAVA law went into force..... thus my question reqarding voter purges.... Seems they have chosen not to do so lately....

Philadelphia Registration Statistics As Of November, 2001

Total Registration
Democrats
Republicans
Other
Total City Population (2000 Census)
1,011,149
752,169 (74.4%)
190,924 (18.9%)
68,056 (6.7%)
1,517,550

Historic Philadelphia Voter Registration Statistics

Year of Election Highest Office up for Election Total Number of Philadelphia Registered Voters Philadelphia's Voting Age Population Percent of Voting Age Population that Registered to Vote
2001 District Attorney 1,011,149 1,133,610 89.2%
2000 President 1,025,259 1,039,514 98.6%
1999 Mayor 985,912 1,055,344 93.4%
1998 Governor 959,789 1,070,033 89.7%
1997 District Attorney 946,130 1,086,228 87.1%
1996 President 936,876 1,103,182 84.9%
1995 Mayor 848,502 1,120,764 75.7%
1994 Governor 797,204 1,139,726 69.9%
1993 District Attorney 820,687 1,155,437 71.0%
1992 President 876,698 1,167,318 75.1%
1991 Mayor 795,957 1,186,233 67.1%
1990 Governor 874,420 1,203,310 72.7%

Note that since the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 was implemented in Pennsylvania in 1995, voter registration rolls are no longer allowed to be purged due to non-voting.

26 posted on 01/17/2005 10:55:38 AM PST by deport (Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: Nascardude

I knew Kerry winning Wisconsin was weird. I'm sure President Bush really won Wisconsin. Same with Michigan and Minnesota. But you know if the republicans Challenge any state that Kerry won, their case would be dismissed. With the liberal media only the democrats can get away with "challenging" state results, which the dems do just to steal votes! they are the REAL crocks!


27 posted on 01/17/2005 11:02:20 AM PST by YoungCorps
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To: rogers21774
A 4.16 ratio is not at all a surprising number. If anything, I'm surprised it's not even higher when you consider that Baltimore City and Washington DC went roughly 8:1 and 9:1 for Kerry.

D.C. and Baltimore are both predominantly black. Philadelphia is predominantly white (74%). Since blacks vote Dem about %90 it makes sense in those cities but not in Philadelphia. Agreed Philadelphia has a higher than average gay population, I doubt it tends towards about %50 which would be needed for it to account for a 4:1 ratio.

28 posted on 01/17/2005 11:05:53 AM PST by ohCompGk
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To: Nascardude

My advice here is simple...Every Republican who lives within four hours of Wisconsin...needs to take the next election day off and run to vote. If fraud is accepted...then we might as well play the same game as the Demos. I hate saying this...but you have to play the game the way that people have set up.


29 posted on 01/17/2005 11:09:25 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ohCompGk

The 74% white figure is for the whole 13-county region. Philadelphia county is the same as Philadelphia city. You can look it up, but I am confident it is 50% or more non-White. If you compare the Philly figures to the CITIES of St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis, you will see comparable Dem percentages of the vote.


30 posted on 01/17/2005 11:20:40 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: 2banana
. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau).

Your 60% figure is off. In the 2004 election, roghly 60% of voting age VOTED (122 million / 200 million), but about 160 million plus are REGISTERED. So the Philly registration figure is clearly high (but so are many places, since HAVA made purging very difficult), but the vote total (c. 650,000 of 1.1 million or less of voting age) is not wildly out of line.

31 posted on 01/17/2005 11:25:05 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Bahbah
Bill Richardson failed to deliver his state, which he had virtually guaranteed...

Pffffft! Not for lack of trying, that's for sure. How many thousands of "Look what I found in the trunk of a car" ballots did Richardson sneak in during the count?

32 posted on 01/17/2005 11:31:16 AM PST by shezza
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To: Nascardude

Voter rolls should be purged with every 10 year census, automatically reset to zero. It's not too much to ask people to register every 10 years, and it would make fraud easier to track.


33 posted on 01/17/2005 11:44:45 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Nascardude

The only people who can challenge are the GOP, or the candidate, and the State GOP is wimpy on this issue. They NEVER challenge. Their answer is to elect more GOP State Reps and Senators. But, then we get a Dem Governor who vetoes all attempts to clean up this mess.


34 posted on 01/17/2005 3:02:37 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Nascardude
Until photo ID cards that have an ATM type stripe on the back that prevents you from voting twice are required, Dems will continue to steal elections.

These are Federal elections. We have the White House and Congress. It is the GOP's faultif nothing is done.

Heck, give it an Orwellian name-Fair Elections for Minority Voters or something. Just git-er-done.

35 posted on 01/17/2005 3:08:56 PM PST by MattinNJ (I thought we were in the tree of compassion and the nest of understanding-Frank the Tank)
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To: ken5050

What I don't think you are seeing, Ken5050, is that fraud only has to occur in the Dem controlled polls. These are the polls that suddenly find a box of uncounted ballots after closing. These are also the polls who turn in their votes last -- after someone has determined how many vote they have to "find". There were too many eyewitness reports of streets clogged with cars around polling places bearing Illinois plates. I'm sure the same thing was seen up north where the "foreign" plates were from MN.

Whe the Dems inMilwaukee demanded and won 900,000 ballots be printed for them -- 4 times the number of voters -- something is fishy.


36 posted on 01/17/2005 3:09:14 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Aren't there GOP poll watchers in every precinct?


37 posted on 01/17/2005 3:10:36 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Nascardude
This is why the fight here in Washington State is so important. The dems must be exposed and it might as well start here. They will use these tactics all over the country for power.

Although this is part of the petition to recall our Secretary of State Sam Reed, the following pretty much sums up what happened in the state of Washington.

CHARGE 1
King County alone counted approximately 1,800 more votes than the number of people who actually voted. Mr. Reed was aware of this discrepancy before the certification date.

CHARGE 2
After election day (11/2/04) King County "discovered" additional ballots 9 different times (as of 01/10/2005); Mr. Reed was aware of this anomaly before the certification date.

CHARGE 3
In King County Poll workers admitted they fed at least 348 provisional ballots directly into counting machines, commingling them with legal ballots and circumventing the process of keeping them out of the count until they were canvassed and proven to be legal. Mr. Reed was aware of this violation before the date of certification.

CHARGE 4
Elections workers "enhanced" more than 55,000 ballots, and contrary to state law, they permanently obscured the original marks on many, preventing a review of their decisions; Mr. Reed was aware of this violation before the date of certification.

CHARGE 5
There are at least 557 names in the January 7, 2004 King County Voter Data Base for people who voted on Nov. 2,2004 but who weren't listed in the November 1, 2004 King County Voter Data Base. Only 94 of the 557 names are in the December 29, 2004 King County Voter Data Base. 280 of the 557 are shown to have registered on dates between June 7, 2004 and Oct. 2, 2004, yet their names did not appear in any of the earlier versions of the King County voter databases. Mr. Reed was aware of this serious discrepancy before the certification date.

CHARGE 6
Seattle's Precinct 1823 counted 343 ballots, which is 71 more ballots than the 272 voters who cast them. This is the single largest discrepancy between ballots and voters in all of King County. Nearly all of the discrepancy is due to "provisional ballots". Mr. Reed was aware of this serious inconsistency before the date of certification.

CHARGE 7
In violation of WAC 434-262-080, WAC 434-262-090 and WAC 434-262-100, Mr. Reed accepted, as complete, the abstract of votes from 24 counties even though they did not provide all the material required by statute and regulations.

CHARGE 8
Reed violated RCW 29A.04.610 by failing to perform many of the duties detailed therein, including;
A) Failure to examine and test voting systems for certification;
B) Failure to employ standards and procedures to ensure the accurate tabulation and canvassing of ballots;
C) Failure to ensure consistency among the counties of the state in the preparation of ballots, the operation of vote tallying systems, and the canvassing of primaries and elections;
D) Failure to ensure procedures to receive and distribute voter registration applications by mail;
E) Failure to engage in the testing, approval, and certification of voting systems;
F) Failure to enforce standards and procedures to prevent fraud and to facilitate the accurate processing and canvassing of absentee ballots and mail ballots;
G) Failure to enforce uniformity among the counties of the state in the conduct of absentee voting and mail ballot elections;
H) Failure to implement standards and procedures to accommodate out-of-state voters, overseas voters, and service voters;
I) Failure to enforce procedures for conducting a statutory recount;

CHARGE 9
Failure to withhold certification of the third, final and manual recount of the November 2, 2004 election, an election he knew was wrought with violations of election laws and regulations.

38 posted on 01/17/2005 3:21:01 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: ken5050

Not always. And the GOP intimidates their own poll watchers. They are afraid to say boo!


39 posted on 01/17/2005 4:39:26 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well..if so, then Mehlman/Rove have to change that ASAP..


40 posted on 01/17/2005 5:26:29 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Nascardude; ken5050; Vicki; MattinNJ; LexBaird; shezza; BohDaThone; pepsionice; ohCompGk; ...
SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=votefraud

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41 posted on 01/17/2005 6:10:50 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: hripka

I agree. But the GOP has to get over this fear of being racist and take on this fraud head on!


42 posted on 01/17/2005 6:13:43 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: hripka
7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money.

IIRC, in 2004 wasn't the site and campaign going around: "Sex for voting Kerry"?
43 posted on 01/17/2005 6:15:34 PM PST by Brian328i
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To: hripka
99% of the vote for Dems in some poor black precincts--YES.

100% or more of the registered voting -- NO. The New York Post cite is a column blindly citing Jude Wanniski making that claim about Philadelphia. For 3 years now, I have been challenging each such poster to name one such precinct. It didn't happen -- I've looked at the PHilly ward and precinct returns, as well as many other big cities.

Turnout as a percentage of registered is usually a bit lower (sometimes a lot lower) in the solid Dem areas than in good GOP areas. Some of the registrations may be fraudulent in Dem areas -- but that;s a diffrent issue.

If you can cite a precinct wuith 100% turnout, I'm all ears.

44 posted on 01/17/2005 8:40:02 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: hripka
99% of the vote for Dems in some poor black precincts--YES.

100% or more of the registered voting -- NO. The New York Post cite is a column blindly citing Jude Wanniski making that claim about Philadelphia. For 3 years now, I have been challenging each such poster to name one such precinct. It didn't happen -- I've looked at the PHilly ward and precinct returns, as well as many other big cities.

Turnout as a percentage of registered is usually a bit lower (sometimes a lot lower) in the solid Dem areas than in good GOP areas. Some of the registrations may be fraudulent in Dem areas -- but that;s a diffrent issue.

If you can cite a precinct wuith 100% turnout, I'm all ears.

45 posted on 01/17/2005 8:43:30 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: ken5050

Mehlman/Rove probably don't know about it. However, in my County I know of at least 3 poll watchers who were "fired" before the election by RINOs in charge. There was no reason given -- just that the 3 in question my "offend" a voter by being too aggressive. None of these people had ever stepped over the line; they just weren't "friends" with the local campaign manager.

This same campaign manager also tried to scuttle the religious coalition's lit drop blitz at churches on the Sunday before the election. This was a national project (secret in nature), yet she refused to allow the people doing it to put their voter guides on the windshields at her church and tipped off the police about some of the other churches.

I know she was reamed out by the national representative by phone, but that whole campaign effort is now dismantled and the whole fiasco will be forgotten by next time when she will still be in charge.

The poll watching effort was a disaster, BTW. The palm pilots didn't work. They could have learned something if they had only included experienced watchers in the planningn and execution.


46 posted on 01/18/2005 8:57:30 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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AFTR, this is very disturbing to read! Wish I would have known about this, would have loved to have these 3 individuals in our county! We were scrambling looking for people who wouldn't be intimidated in the inner city wards.
47 posted on 01/18/2005 11:54:33 AM PST by republicandiva
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To: Nascardude

Bump for future reference.


48 posted on 01/18/2005 2:43:37 PM PST by CAR913 (Is there ANYTHING leftists won't blame on Bush???)
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