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Did Bush really win Wisconsin? Possible voter fraud identified in Milwaukee
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Posted on 01/17/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by Nascardude

We're all completely familiar by now with the pretty rock-solid indications that the Democrats stole the Washington governors race - and now that we're getting proof of the rather large Democratic efforts at voter fraud, I think it is high time we started to look everywhere - and some people have started to take a look at Wisconsin.

Stranded on Blue Islands gives us the whole scoop about the Wisconsin vote but I'll just note three things:

1. You can register to vote on election day in Wisconsin.

2. In Miwaukee alone, 10,000 votes cannot be verified - ie, they cannot locate a voter at the address given at the precinct.

3. Kerry won Wisconsin by 11,384 votes.

Nothing surprised me more on election day than John Kerry winning Wisconsin; for weeks, I had that State pegged as a Bush State - and so did a lot of other pundits, based upon polls showing it leaning towards President Bush. Then election day comes, and Kerry pulls out a narrow win. Given that one of the three Democratic strongholds of Wisconsin has 10,000 so-far unaccountable votes, I think it stands to reason that the State of Wisconsin was stolen - adding Wisconsin's results to Washington's, I begin to feel safe in finally saying in public what I've only thought in private; that in both 2000 and 2004 the entire Democratic plan was to steal the election.

We all remember how close Gore came to pulling it off in Florida in 2000, but what is less well remembered is how his minions nearly stole Missouri and how President Bush was prepared to challenge the vote in Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico in 2000 until it became clear that the only way to defeat the Democratic attempts at theft in 2000 was to concentrate on the Florida vote. In 2004, we have the Washington and Wisconsin examples, but those of us who paid close attention remember the Democratic shennanigans in Detroit and Philadelphia - given that Kerry's margin of victory in both Michigan and Pennsylvania hinged upon how things went in Detroit and Philadelphia, we've at least got reason to urge investigations.

The Democrats immediately lept to their paranoid conspiracy theories about the Ohio vote in 2004 - we GOPers, on the other hand, have held-fire even though we thought things rather odd; held-fire, that is, until we've gotten something to go on. What we need is for people on the ground in the areas affected (ie, in Detroit, in Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, etc) to do a bit of sniffing around - the reason Democratic voter fraud has gone unchallenged for so long is because no one challenged it. Let's start challenging.

TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: belling; cheeseheads; democratscheat; dirtycrats; dirtyrats; disgusting; electioneering; electionfraud; electionrigging; elections; filthyliblies; fraudulentvoters; markbelling; milwaukee; phonyregistrations; rats; redstatewisconsin; sickening; stealingelections; tombarrett; votefraud; voterfraud; voteridnow; votetampering; wisconsin; wistolenelection
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To: deport
When was the last time Philadelphia purged the voter roles, if ever?..... Any info on that that you know of?


Philadelphia: City of (too many) voters

Philly Fraud by the numbers (a logical look at Philadelphia)

21 posted on 01/17/2005 10:31:30 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number

A 4.16 ratio is not at all a surprising number. If anything, I'm surprised it's not even higher when you consider that Baltimore City and Washington DC went roughly 8:1 and 9:1 for Kerry.

22 posted on 01/17/2005 10:32:35 AM PST by rogers21774
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To: bowzer313

Because the election process is private! Even though there may have been tens of thousands of fraudulent votes, there is no way to state with certainty which candidate was the beneficiary of those votes, even though we may have strong suspicions based on demographics from precints.

24 posted on 01/17/2005 10:42:39 AM PST by republicandiva
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To: joesnuffy

"You sure wont see Doyle or Peg 'the keg' Lautenslagger look into any crimes that might damage the democrats in WI."

You've got that right, my friend! The Dems have a Death Grip on Wisconsin, and it's going to take some real effort by the Republicans to lossen it a bit. We do have the State Assembly and the Senate both under Republican control, but it still isn't enough for me! ;)

25 posted on 01/17/2005 10:43:13 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: 2banana
The following shows the increase beginning when the 1995 HAVA law went into force..... thus my question reqarding voter purges.... Seems they have chosen not to do so lately....

Philadelphia Registration Statistics As Of November, 2001

Total Registration
Total City Population (2000 Census)
752,169 (74.4%)
190,924 (18.9%)
68,056 (6.7%)

Historic Philadelphia Voter Registration Statistics

Year of Election Highest Office up for Election Total Number of Philadelphia Registered Voters Philadelphia's Voting Age Population Percent of Voting Age Population that Registered to Vote
2001 District Attorney 1,011,149 1,133,610 89.2%
2000 President 1,025,259 1,039,514 98.6%
1999 Mayor 985,912 1,055,344 93.4%
1998 Governor 959,789 1,070,033 89.7%
1997 District Attorney 946,130 1,086,228 87.1%
1996 President 936,876 1,103,182 84.9%
1995 Mayor 848,502 1,120,764 75.7%
1994 Governor 797,204 1,139,726 69.9%
1993 District Attorney 820,687 1,155,437 71.0%
1992 President 876,698 1,167,318 75.1%
1991 Mayor 795,957 1,186,233 67.1%
1990 Governor 874,420 1,203,310 72.7%

Note that since the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 was implemented in Pennsylvania in 1995, voter registration rolls are no longer allowed to be purged due to non-voting.

26 posted on 01/17/2005 10:55:38 AM PST by deport (Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: Nascardude

I knew Kerry winning Wisconsin was weird. I'm sure President Bush really won Wisconsin. Same with Michigan and Minnesota. But you know if the republicans Challenge any state that Kerry won, their case would be dismissed. With the liberal media only the democrats can get away with "challenging" state results, which the dems do just to steal votes! they are the REAL crocks!

27 posted on 01/17/2005 11:02:20 AM PST by YoungCorps
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To: rogers21774
A 4.16 ratio is not at all a surprising number. If anything, I'm surprised it's not even higher when you consider that Baltimore City and Washington DC went roughly 8:1 and 9:1 for Kerry.

D.C. and Baltimore are both predominantly black. Philadelphia is predominantly white (74%). Since blacks vote Dem about %90 it makes sense in those cities but not in Philadelphia. Agreed Philadelphia has a higher than average gay population, I doubt it tends towards about %50 which would be needed for it to account for a 4:1 ratio.

28 posted on 01/17/2005 11:05:53 AM PST by ohCompGk
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To: Nascardude

My advice here is simple...Every Republican who lives within four hours of Wisconsin...needs to take the next election day off and run to vote. If fraud is accepted...then we might as well play the same game as the Demos. I hate saying this...but you have to play the game the way that people have set up.

29 posted on 01/17/2005 11:09:25 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ohCompGk

The 74% white figure is for the whole 13-county region. Philadelphia county is the same as Philadelphia city. You can look it up, but I am confident it is 50% or more non-White. If you compare the Philly figures to the CITIES of St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis, you will see comparable Dem percentages of the vote.

30 posted on 01/17/2005 11:20:40 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: 2banana
. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau).

Your 60% figure is off. In the 2004 election, roghly 60% of voting age VOTED (122 million / 200 million), but about 160 million plus are REGISTERED. So the Philly registration figure is clearly high (but so are many places, since HAVA made purging very difficult), but the vote total (c. 650,000 of 1.1 million or less of voting age) is not wildly out of line.

31 posted on 01/17/2005 11:25:05 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Bahbah
Bill Richardson failed to deliver his state, which he had virtually guaranteed...

Pffffft! Not for lack of trying, that's for sure. How many thousands of "Look what I found in the trunk of a car" ballots did Richardson sneak in during the count?

32 posted on 01/17/2005 11:31:16 AM PST by shezza
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To: Nascardude

Voter rolls should be purged with every 10 year census, automatically reset to zero. It's not too much to ask people to register every 10 years, and it would make fraud easier to track.

33 posted on 01/17/2005 11:44:45 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Nascardude

The only people who can challenge are the GOP, or the candidate, and the State GOP is wimpy on this issue. They NEVER challenge. Their answer is to elect more GOP State Reps and Senators. But, then we get a Dem Governor who vetoes all attempts to clean up this mess.

34 posted on 01/17/2005 3:02:37 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Nascardude
Until photo ID cards that have an ATM type stripe on the back that prevents you from voting twice are required, Dems will continue to steal elections.

These are Federal elections. We have the White House and Congress. It is the GOP's faultif nothing is done.

Heck, give it an Orwellian name-Fair Elections for Minority Voters or something. Just git-er-done.

35 posted on 01/17/2005 3:08:56 PM PST by MattinNJ (I thought we were in the tree of compassion and the nest of understanding-Frank the Tank)
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To: ken5050

What I don't think you are seeing, Ken5050, is that fraud only has to occur in the Dem controlled polls. These are the polls that suddenly find a box of uncounted ballots after closing. These are also the polls who turn in their votes last -- after someone has determined how many vote they have to "find". There were too many eyewitness reports of streets clogged with cars around polling places bearing Illinois plates. I'm sure the same thing was seen up north where the "foreign" plates were from MN.

Whe the Dems inMilwaukee demanded and won 900,000 ballots be printed for them -- 4 times the number of voters -- something is fishy.

36 posted on 01/17/2005 3:09:14 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Aren't there GOP poll watchers in every precinct?

37 posted on 01/17/2005 3:10:36 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Nascardude
This is why the fight here in Washington State is so important. The dems must be exposed and it might as well start here. They will use these tactics all over the country for power.

Although this is part of the petition to recall our Secretary of State Sam Reed, the following pretty much sums up what happened in the state of Washington.

King County alone counted approximately 1,800 more votes than the number of people who actually voted. Mr. Reed was aware of this discrepancy before the certification date.

After election day (11/2/04) King County "discovered" additional ballots 9 different times (as of 01/10/2005); Mr. Reed was aware of this anomaly before the certification date.

In King County Poll workers admitted they fed at least 348 provisional ballots directly into counting machines, commingling them with legal ballots and circumventing the process of keeping them out of the count until they were canvassed and proven to be legal. Mr. Reed was aware of this violation before the date of certification.

Elections workers "enhanced" more than 55,000 ballots, and contrary to state law, they permanently obscured the original marks on many, preventing a review of their decisions; Mr. Reed was aware of this violation before the date of certification.

There are at least 557 names in the January 7, 2004 King County Voter Data Base for people who voted on Nov. 2,2004 but who weren't listed in the November 1, 2004 King County Voter Data Base. Only 94 of the 557 names are in the December 29, 2004 King County Voter Data Base. 280 of the 557 are shown to have registered on dates between June 7, 2004 and Oct. 2, 2004, yet their names did not appear in any of the earlier versions of the King County voter databases. Mr. Reed was aware of this serious discrepancy before the certification date.

Seattle's Precinct 1823 counted 343 ballots, which is 71 more ballots than the 272 voters who cast them. This is the single largest discrepancy between ballots and voters in all of King County. Nearly all of the discrepancy is due to "provisional ballots". Mr. Reed was aware of this serious inconsistency before the date of certification.

In violation of WAC 434-262-080, WAC 434-262-090 and WAC 434-262-100, Mr. Reed accepted, as complete, the abstract of votes from 24 counties even though they did not provide all the material required by statute and regulations.

Reed violated RCW 29A.04.610 by failing to perform many of the duties detailed therein, including;
A) Failure to examine and test voting systems for certification;
B) Failure to employ standards and procedures to ensure the accurate tabulation and canvassing of ballots;
C) Failure to ensure consistency among the counties of the state in the preparation of ballots, the operation of vote tallying systems, and the canvassing of primaries and elections;
D) Failure to ensure procedures to receive and distribute voter registration applications by mail;
E) Failure to engage in the testing, approval, and certification of voting systems;
F) Failure to enforce standards and procedures to prevent fraud and to facilitate the accurate processing and canvassing of absentee ballots and mail ballots;
G) Failure to enforce uniformity among the counties of the state in the conduct of absentee voting and mail ballot elections;
H) Failure to implement standards and procedures to accommodate out-of-state voters, overseas voters, and service voters;
I) Failure to enforce procedures for conducting a statutory recount;

Failure to withhold certification of the third, final and manual recount of the November 2, 2004 election, an election he knew was wrought with violations of election laws and regulations.

38 posted on 01/17/2005 3:21:01 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: ken5050

Not always. And the GOP intimidates their own poll watchers. They are afraid to say boo!

39 posted on 01/17/2005 4:39:26 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well..if so, then Mehlman/Rove have to change that ASAP..

40 posted on 01/17/2005 5:26:29 PM PST by ken5050
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