Posted on 01/31/2005 1:02:52 PM PST by killthedonkey
A close friend of Hossam Armanious and relatives of the family murdered in New Jersey have revealed the following:
Shortly after the murders, members of the Egyptian consulate went to visit the family to encourage them to keep quiet. And many family members have obeyed, saying nothing to reporters or anyone else. However, two family members and another Copt viewed the bodies at the funeral home. One of these eyewitnesses said that he clearly saw that the family members had not suffered “stab wounds to the throat,” as the prosecutor’s report states, but rather the following:
A. Both adults, Hossam and Amal, had a horizontal slit across the throat. Below the slit, on the left, right and middle of the throat were three holes, big enough so that one could place a finger in each hole. According to the eyewitness, it was as if the assailant(s) took a knife and turned it repeatedly in a circular fashion, as if to screw holes into the victims’ necks.
B. The two young girls, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8), also had a horizontal slits in their throats, along with two holes bored below the slits, one on the right and one on the left sides of their necks. The holes were similar to those on their parents’ necks.
C. The eyewitness said although the bodies of the victims were all covered, he was able to see the arms of the little girl Monica. Although the tattoo of the cross inside Monica’s wrist was not defaced, he saw that her wrists were cut. He was not able to see the wrists of the other victims to see if the crosses on their wrists were defaced.
D. Though the family wants to reserve judgment until the results of the case are released, they did say that the way the four family members were bound and gagged and the way their throats were slit with holes carved is similar to executions that are shown on al-Jazeera. The American public is not aware of this because the details of the executions are not often described in news accounts.
Amal Garas’s father said that (contrary to many news reports and CAIR’s press release) none of the family’s jewelry was taken, and that Amal owned some quite expensive pieces that were not touched. At the time of her murder, Amal was wearing a ring worth $3,500 that was not taken.
Garas’s father also has been speaking with the detectives and the prosecutor on the case. He was told that the results of the autopsy would not be ready until March 14. However, an inside source in one of New Jersey’s police departments said that the results of autopsy and toxicology reports are known within 48 hours after the bodies are discovered. This source has worked on such cases for many years. He said that the department knows the results, but as in similar cases intends to wait a month or two before they release them to the family. During that time long reports are written to cross the t’s and dot the i’s for the family, but the final results are not much different from what is discovered within the first 48 hours. So all of the press reports about waiting for the prosecutor’s findings on the autopsies are nonsense. Though the investigators are looking at Sylvia’s computer and other evidence, the findings on the autopsy for the most part are already in.
A reporter who is closely following this case said that this delay was because the police and prosecutor want this case to go away. They want things to cool down. That’s why they set the autopsy date as March 14, two months after the murders.
It is still possible that this wasn’t a Muslim hate crime. The problem is that investigators have not taken the necessary steps to ensure a fair review of the evidence. There are too many holes here, too many inconsistencies in the official story. Too many obvious tasks have not been done: an Armanious family friend with whom I spoke, who gave me names and motives of possible perpetrators, is still waiting for a call from investigators.
Investigators seem to be following dead ends more assiduously than live leads. A Muslim has told police in Jersey City that there is an Islamic custom in Egypt: a life for a life. He said that is what may have happened in this case. Some news reports are referring to this when they say they’re looking into the family’s activities in Egypt before they came to the U.S. in 1997. Said prosecutor Edward DeFazio, “It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country. We’re going to try to look into that.” However, those close to Hossam Armanious maintain that he didn’t have any enemies, and certainly never took anyone’s life in Egypt or here; nor did anyone in his family.
This background information may illuminate why this investigation has been so curiously lacking:
There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.
Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.
A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.
What do those compromised clergymen want? The answer most likely has to do with a fact revealed by a number of other sources: the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?
If he is indeed truly Jewish, and not just a troll or an jew-baiter, than shame on him. I will never understand a Jewish muslim, anymore than I can understand my fellow Jews who cling to the jew-hating left, like deckchairs on the Titanic.
As the left becomes more and more wedded to radical islam, they find themselves uncomfortable at these liberal rallies. Witness the Berkeley debacle, where Jews against Israel silently watched the palestinian hordes attack the anti-terror rally, with signs denouncing all Jews as pigs. Leftist Jews, they mean you, too.
Sorry about the rant.
I kicked him around pretty good last week so maybe he is laying low.
Are you trying to define Islam as a religion or are you trying to justify the actions of muzzie terrorists because they're based on their religion?
You are the one who called an anti-teror rally in Berkeley an "anti-muslim" rally. That seems pretty blind to me, since the insinuation is that if you are against terror, you are against muslims. Hmmm. But that was another thread, and as I recall, you didn't respond to my point there either.
Anyway, nice to see you are still lurking.
He is here, lurking. He just popped his head up for a minute. But kudos to you, for the head thump last week. I
"...were designed to send a message pure and simple: "
... a message so cleverly disguised that noone knew about it - If this IS fanaticism or terrorism, they are training you well... It is YOU who have created this "message".
Where are the barking dogs ?
If you want to use the Godfather, you don't seem to recall that the target was left alive, to BE terrorized.
Islam is based on a false worldview, but it's still a religion, at least as most people define the word.
What's hard for many Americans to believe, or at least to say, is that all religions are not equal. American culture, to the extent it exists, is more compatible with the Jewish and Christian faiths than it is with any others.
Because we don't all share the same faith, though, this subject is one that most Americans feel profoundly uncomfortable discussing.
Spoke too soon. My pleasure.
If you want to use the Godfather, you don't seem to recall that the target was left alive, to BE terrorized.
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The movie mogul in the Godfather was left alive so that he would give Johnny Fontaine the coveted part in a movie he was producing. To kill him right away would not have achieved that result. However, if he still refused to give Johnny the part after they whacked the horse, there would be no reason to keep him alive, for any reason, and he would have been killed. The Mafia did not terrorize people because of their religion; it was usually business and the women and children were usually kept out of it. I am not excusing the methods or excesses of organized crime by any means.
But let's get our Godfather straight.
Where is here? And do I detect a threat?
"To kill him right away would not have achieved that result."
Exactly, terrorism's goal is to produce terror and to assume control over the terrorised, the desired result is not simply dead bodies.
But it does seem that the "successful" terrorist has the highest body counts. Why else would 9/11 be hailed as such a heroic feat in islamic countries (and on some American college campuses)?
And what of the terrorists' own voiced desire to see as many Americans dead as they can kill?
Do they really want to? ID the perps that is.
Hover your mouse cursor over the link. The URL will show up in the status bar. It's a FR thread where people are (gasp) pointing out that Muslims were voting and fighting against terrorists.
And do I detect a threat?
Because you're paranoid.
I wonder is the Coptic family that was killed detected threats.
I detect threats, both my what muslim scum do and what they say.
Where is here?
Hover your mouse cursor over the link. The URL will show up in the status bar. It's a FR thread where people are (gasp) pointing out that Muslims were voting and fighting against terrorists.
And do I detect a threat?
Because you're paranoid.
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Ok, chemgeek, I went thither. I am not sure what you expected, but I saw little to be offended by except the inhumanity of muslim terrorists, to use a Downs child to achieve their sick ends. I am glad the election went as well as it did, why wouldn't I be?
Sorry to disappoint you.
Now, would you care to clarify your remark about the Berkeley anti-terror rally being "anti-muslim"?
P.S. Paranoid? Well, let's just say I like to stay informed.
"But it does seem that the "successful" terrorist has the highest body counts. Why else would 9/11 be hailed as such a heroic feat in islamic countries (and on some American college campuses)?"
Body counts obviously add to the "terror", and give more publicity. 911 was meant to be the opening shots of a worldwide conflict, not a goal in itself.
A single beheading is hailed, it dosen't matter how many are killed.
Terrorism failed in the recent Iraq elections - They could not muster enough to cause major problems -
They are losing, and they know it. Like the Democrats, they will become more fanatic as their power slips away...
There is some background stuff going on, that's for sure.
Lock, load and be ready! It's coming!
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