Sambata-Ki'yev was the western most trading center.
Map of the Khazar Empire in the early 10th century.
For a more complete set of maps, go to maps section.
Posted on 02/03/2005 12:46:37 AM PST by familyop
MOSCOW - A visit to Auschwitz has prompted President Vladimir Putin to do something he had never done over five years in power, admit that anti-Semitism rages on in Russia and must be stamped out, amid a rare public debate on the once taboo subject.
Jews were mistreated throughout much of the Soviet era, with dissidents sent by Stalin to gulags and Jewish students barred from entry to the more prestigious universities.
Nationalist rhetoric largely graduated from that era to post-Soviet Russia amid concern and blame- seeking over the demise of its superpower status.
A poll this week by the Levada Foundation found that 59 percent agreed with the sentiment "Russia for Russians".
A March 2004 study by the Expertiza foundation found 45 percent thought Russia was anti-Semitic while 42 percent said Jews ought to be barred from power.
But Putin, who rose to the presidency on a strongly nationalist ticket, and his entourage avoided the subject even as Washington expressed growing alarm over a recent rise of hate crimes against Jews.
Two events appeared to change that this month: The first was a letter signed by 20 parliamentarians demanding that Jewish groups be banned across Russia for their "radical" views. The second was Putin's trip to the Auschwitz memorial on Thursday.
"Just a short time ago, the German chancellor said he was embarrassed for the past. But this is the past," Putin said at the poignant 60th anniversary ceremony marking the notorious Nazi concentration camp's liberation by Soviet troops.
"But we have to be embarrassed of today, because even in Russia, which has done the most to defeat fascism, to liberate Jews, we see frequent signs of this disease," he said in the first direct reference to anti- Semitism from the Kremlin this decade.
"We must proclaim in one voice: no one has a right to be indifferent to anti-Semitism, xenophobia and racial intolerance."
Moscow newspapers, some of them state-run, fawned over what they saw as a courageous and even historic pronouncement.
"Putin is embarrassed by anti- Semitism," the Izvestia daily wrote.
"The concentration camp no longer exists but Nazism lives on" in Russia, the government's Rossiyskaya Gazeta wrote in giving a synopsis of Putin's speech. - Sapa-AFP
Not to mention the DNC, assuming Howard Dean is chosen as chair.
I think the best course of action is for the USSR -- oops, I mean Russia -- to sell new weapons to Syria.
It seems Jewish power versus Jewish persecution have run cycles in Russia since Tsarist times.
Did not the persecution against Jews really take off in modern times when Uncle Joe identified them as Trotsky supporters after he grabbed power following Lenin's death. Prior to that weren't Jews somewhat prominant amongst the Mensheviks and then Bolshies?
And at least in the western part of post WWII European Iron Curtain area did not surviving Jews regain power in those communist regimes like Hungary for example where they got some getback till the next purge.
Nearly all of the Russsian oligarchs are Jewish (identity-wise) and from what I am told by Russians I know (some of whom are Jewish too), there is considerable resentment there over the oligarchs and a desire for some house cleaning by Putin.
The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.
Did Stalin loathe most Jews because he was Georgian and rather Cossack-like or because he feared them and their soon dead leader Trotsky? (or both)
Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.
Interesting stuff. The other poster who said that anti-Jewish sentiment is high in France is right and a lot of it is coming from the Moon Rock Nazis power.
Yea....let's start hanging folks for what they think....right or wrong.
My hometown is overrun by black crime. Can we start hanging them too?
LOL...if you are Jewish, I'm surprised you would say that. I mean...that sounds sort of extreme. 1919? that would have been a Bolshie invention.
I get mad at all the protected ethnicities, religions , and races at some time or another....and I get mad at my own unprotected "identity" as well.
But you'd only have to hang me once for having bad thoughts...lol
War...check to see who passed that law.
I fear you've lost me. I misunderstood what you wrote.
Russia
1919 law
anti-anti-semitism
punishable by being hanged
sorry, it must have gone right over my pumphead...
;>)
And at least in the western part of post WWII European Iron Curtain area did not surviving Jews regain power in those communist regimes like Hungary for example where they got some getback till the next purge.
While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws. Communism has been anti-Jewish since Marx called for society to be freed from Judaism.
Nearly all of the Russsian oligarchs are Jewish (identity-wise) and from what I am told by Russians I know (some of whom are Jewish too), there is considerable resentment there over the oligarchs and a desire for some house cleaning by Putin.
About 1/3 are Jewish.
The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.
Khazaria included much of the Eastern Ukraine, Southern Russia, and parts of Kazakhstan. However, the ethnicities in the area have nothing to do with an empire destroyed 1000 years ago. The only group claiming to be descendants of Khazars are the Karaylar (Turkic Karaite Jews) and Krimchaks (Turkic Orthodox Jews in the Crimea). There are a few thousand Karaylar/Karaim and almost no Krimchaks. Those that survived the Nazis were largely killed when they were rounded up by Stalin and sent off to Siberia with other Crimean Tatars.
There are a few Russian Jews with names like Kaganovich that are clearely of Khazar descent.
At any rate, one could argue that the Russians have organized themselves in opposition to Jews since Sviatoslav. Pick up the Chronicle of the Rus.
Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.
Levanti Beria was part Jewish. Ivan Ulionov was 1/8th Jewish and 1/4th Tatar. He was also a member of the lower nobility.
I thought Israel and China were good trading partners. Israel sold China military technologies we didn't want the Chinese to have. Does that make Israel anti-american?
The section dealing with Russia is a case in point. Chua relies a great deal on secondary sources--with no major references to Russian material--to make the case that Jews form a "market-dominated minority" in Russia and takes as her starting point the "Jewishness" of six of the seven "oligarchs." But there are several problems with this approach. Two of the six "Jewish oligarchs" are baptized Orthodox Christians; most of the others consider themselves to be Russian by language and culture, and only one has explicitly supported Russian Jewish communal life. There is no cohesive and separate "Jewish" community to which the oligarchs belong. One might also question the focus on the "seven oligarchs" given that a number of key economic-political players (among them Moscow's mayor Yuri Luzhkov and LUKoil's president Vagit Alekperov) are not listed; nor is there much discussion about the rising business class. But most importantly, in a country where Russian identity is itself in flux, juxtaposing "Jews" and "Russians" in the same way that one might juxtapose Syrians and Lebanese businessmen against native Africans is a problematic approach indeed.
While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws.
Indeed, like their non-Jewish comrades they were acting in the name of "Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself, I'm A Man of Wealth and Fame....Have You Guessed My Name" under the guise of messianic humanism...the new man....devoid of religion or worldy flaws existing for the collective good of the state.
I watched that documentary on the Weather Underground a few weeks ago and the common thread admitted by the two or three that had any contrition at all, was that folks who feel they have the moral high ground often become drunk with it and it leads to excess and absolute justification whether Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or Hitler....or even Marat or Robespierre. Only Mark Rudd (whom I recall well from the Columbia takeover)and Todd Gitlin were actually remorseful...the rest were still defiant and cheeky about it....especially that shrew from Hell....Bernadine Dorhn. They were all except Flanagan working in academia...tenured.
He was also 1/4 German, 1/4 Kalmyk (Mongolian) and 1/4 Chuvash (Turkic) if my memory serves me well.
True, many minorities were in charge of the communist party at different times. At first it was primarly Jews, Latvians and Poles with a sprinkling of others, to include Russians. After Lenin's death and the succession fight, it became Georgians and Ukrainians with a sprinkling of Ossessions. The others were of course purged. Then after Stalin, it became Ukrainians and Ossessions with the Russians slowly gaining in influence. This culminated in Gorbachov who dismantled the system, granted with a major push by Yeltsin and the first Ukrainian president (his name escapes me) off the cliff.
Not quite true. First, the religious Jews were butchered, along with the Christians by the "jews" of the party, who were jews by nationality but the typical leftist scum like all the others.
Stalin later supported Israel and was the first to recognize it. It was established as a socialist state that opposed the British and the French, and thus was a natural ally to Stalin. When the rich Jews in the US influenced the US government to swing Israel's support towards America and away from Stalin, Stalin created a "jewish" homeland in south central Siberia, on the Chinese border. This was not mass murder or exile, many Jews who were Communists went there willingly and others were persuaded, both negatively and positively. Of course, somewhere down the line, Stalin changed his mind and under cut the supplies for building the settlements (what's new?).
The Doctor's Plot was actually an excuse to purge out Krushchov, Molotov, Baria and the others, which is why they poisoned Stalin on the eve of the purges.
Kiev was one of the western most areas of the Khazars. Their actual empire was centered around Stavrapol Oblast and stretched into northern Caucusis and I believe to Volgagrad.
Stalin sought to send all Soviet Jews to Birobaidzhan.
BTTT
Map of the Khazar Empire in the early 10th century.
For a more complete set of maps, go to maps section.
Map of the Khazar Empire in the early 10th century.
For a more complete set of maps, go to maps section.
The Khazars converted and are an asiatic people. I've seen some before and they look nothing like semites but a lot like eastern asiatics.
Before the Khazar Khaganite:
Rise of the Khazars. Note they conquered Kiev which from around 700s was a slavic city. 
Height of the Khazar (note the location of te Bulgars!)
Decline of the Khazars (Note the Magyarian migration into modern day Magyaria/Magyarorszag/Hungary)
Unfortunetly for the Kieven Russ, the conquest of their enemy/competition, the Khazars, unleashed the Pechenegs who were in turn keeping the Mongols in check.
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