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CIA renditions of terror suspects 'out of control:' report-Boiling prisoner suspects' body parts
Yahoo News, Agency France Presse- Later The New Yorker. ^ | FEB 6 2005 | AFP

Posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny

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Yahoo! News News Home - Help AFP CIA renditions of terror suspects are 'out of control:' report

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites)'s 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI (news - web sites) agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA (news - web sites) detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.

Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.

In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."

The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.

Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001.

The New Yorker report said that suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East "have been abducted by hooded or masked American agents" and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.

The jet -- marked on its tail by the code N379P which has recently been changed to N8068V -- "has been registered to a series of dummy American corporations ... (and) has clearance to land at US military bases," it said.

Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan, before he was driven to Syria.

Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.

He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan.

"The most common destinations for rendered suspects are Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, all of which have been cited for human rights violations by the (US) State Department," the report said.

By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.

The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.

Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."

Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."

Abductees are effectively classified as "illegal enemy combatants," by the US government, which is how it also classifies the estimated 550 'war on terror' detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Such a classifiction, the US argues, exempts such detainees from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, part of which govern the treatment of prisoners.

The report also cited the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, as saying Washington has accepted intelligence from Uzkbekistan that was "largely rubbish."

[B]The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented.[/B]

Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.

Mohammed has reportedly been "water boarded" during interrogations: So called 'water boarding' refers to a practice whereby a detainee is bound and immersed in water until he nearly drowns.

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To: Doofer

We went to SERE school. This guy got water boarded which builds strength of character. The media continues to circle, lurking for victems like this looser.


61 posted on 02/09/2005 6:00:35 AM PST by Broker (Follow this money)
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To: Squantos
"Red is positive"
"Black is negative"

LOL! DC just kind of burns. AC would make 'em really dance, nor would there be any concern about poliarity. It's more user-freindly.

62 posted on 02/09/2005 6:10:20 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Could this be another Democrat scumbag who was thrown overboard by Porter Goss and who now wants to (continue to) undermine Bush?

My first reaction.

63 posted on 02/09/2005 6:12:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: ainitfunny
Your faulty reasoning is that the more heinous and outrageous the crime that is committed, the LESS EVIDENCE IS REQUIRED TO START EXACTING REVENGE UPON SOMEONE, UNTIL YOU ARRIVE AT THE POSITION YOU NOW HOLD THAT MERE ACCUSAL OF A TERRIBLE DEPRAVITY IS SUFFICIENT IN AN OF ITSELF TO EXACT UNLIMITED REVENGE UPON THE ONE ACCUSED.

Sounds like the definition of "jihad", don't you think?

64 posted on 02/09/2005 6:15:11 AM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: ainitfunny

Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.

I wonder who's going to request and deliver the subpoenas to the alleged Syrian torturers?

65 posted on 02/09/2005 6:16:51 AM PST by ml1954
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To: Carry_Okie
LOL! DC just kind of burns. AC would make 'em really dance, nor would there be any concern about poliarity. It's more user-freindly.

I could not agree more! Now we just need a couple of "mouth full of pork rinds, you ain't going to get any virgins" executions, and we might be able to pull the (prayer) rug out from under these ba$tards!

66 posted on 02/09/2005 6:18:27 AM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: ainitfunny

I think the term "rendering" means to boil to remove fat.


67 posted on 02/09/2005 6:20:20 AM PST by GrammaLou
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To: piasa

You left out the part about "open your mouth so you can see" :)


68 posted on 02/09/2005 6:22:25 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: ainitfunny

Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.

Generally, I say let Intel/FBI/CIA do whatever they want to terror suspects.  However in this case, I'll second guess them.  There's no reason they needed to release this guy alive.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

69 posted on 02/09/2005 6:22:34 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Guest Worker Program = Amnesty)
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To: ainitfunny

There's been much raucous here in Sweden after this unit, with their hallmark Gulfstream V, helped extradite two guys to Egypt. Like in the US it's illegal in Sweden to extradite people to countries using torture, so the government have been under attack for this.


70 posted on 02/09/2005 6:35:39 AM PST by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: ainitfunny

THis is not a law enforcement issue. It's a war. To hell with testifying. Kill 'em.


71 posted on 02/09/2005 6:38:57 AM PST by Principled
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To: ainitfunny
Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent

....wasn't he a Clinton man who was asked to resign?

72 posted on 02/09/2005 6:41:21 AM PST by SweetCaroline (Be still and rest in the Lord; wait for Him and lean yourself upon him... Psalm 37:7)
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To: ainitfunny

btt


73 posted on 02/09/2005 6:44:32 AM PST by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: ainitfunny; Admin Moderator

I think it be a troll.


74 posted on 02/09/2005 7:01:44 AM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: kimosabe31; ainitfunny
These are enemy troops out of uniform and should be shot after we extract all their information.

Which begs the question: Why doesn't the Administration make that clear in a language we can all understand?

For example, Condi can have a fashion show. "Here we are showing what we consider is the Official Uniform of the Al Quaeda soldier. A dingy dishdasha and a towel on their head armed with a duct-tape AK47. Anyone seen wearing this uniform is an enemy combatant.

Or, have UBL release a tape describing the new AQ uniform, and until he does, no raghead gets quarter or Geneva protections.

75 posted on 02/09/2005 7:07:46 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: ainitfunny
Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse.

Says a whole bunch right there if you ask me.....

76 posted on 02/09/2005 7:14:54 AM PST by b4its2late (Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear.)
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To: ainitfunny
Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted

Well then. I'd say it's working.

77 posted on 02/09/2005 7:26:54 AM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: Darksheare; Arrowhead1952; Old Sarge

Interesting troll scent about this thread...


78 posted on 02/09/2005 7:34:09 AM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: ainitfunny

OK. Where's the problem?


79 posted on 02/09/2005 7:35:06 AM PST by clintonh8r
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To: StarCMC

I have eyes on subject, checking now.


80 posted on 02/09/2005 7:38:14 AM PST by Darksheare (Red Sun rising, Drown without inhaling. Within, the dark holds hard. Higher than hope my cure lies.)
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