Islamic Science: Neil Armstrong Proved Mecca is the Center of the World (Saudi TV); 3 more(MEMRI TV)

MEMRI TV (Middle East Media Research Institute) ^ | February 13, 2005

[Stoat]

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[VadeRetro]

Where have we seen this mindset before? Hee hee.

Sort of deja-vuish for me, yes.

[yankeedame]

It's strange....we of the West also went through the 14th century, yet we progressed while they remained stagnant.

By the 14th c. western/Christian civilization had already hit the ground running. Some of better and lesser know products of our 14th. century:

• Geoffrey Chaucer
• Founding of the universities of Rome, Prague, Vienna, Heidelberg, and Cologne, to name a few.
• The first paper mill to open in Europe.
• The Vulgate Bible translated in to English.
• The first blast furnace (Sweden)
• The compass came into general use and became much more sophisticated.
• The invention of the wheel barrow
• The use, research on, and development of the magnet and magnetism.
• The horizontal loom.
• Cakes of hard soap.
• Reading glasses.

[Junior]

Did I not tell you the irony was thick enough to cut with a knife?

[PatrickHenry]

I wonder what they think of Craterism?

[Cronos]

I worked with a black muslim who told me that airplanes can't fly over Meca because there is no gravity there. Can't make this stuff up.

They actually believe that -- no better than Scientologists. Actually, Scientologists are better -- they don't go around crashing planes into buildings

[Junior]

The Christians did not control those areas originally. The Crusades were fought nominally to "free the Holy Land" from the infidels (Moslems). The Holy Land was also not initially a Christian possession, but was controlled by numerous local powers until the coming of the Moslems to the region. Note, the Moslems did not forbid Christians from making pilgrimages to the area, but the fact that infidels controlled the holy sites of Chritendom was intolerable.

On a political note, the Pope parlayed the Moslem occupation of the Holy Lands into an effort to unite the fragments of Christendom, and, as a consequence, to remove, or at least reduce, the influence of Byzantium and its Eastern Orthodox version of Christianity.

[Junior]

When you're so *ucked up you have to lie to validate your religion.

I won't say it. I won't say it...

[Cronos]

Kathy -- your knowledge of history and geography is abysmal -- Christianity spread throughout the ROMAN Empire -- in Judea, in Egypta, in Syria and also in parts of the Parthian Empire -- in Mesopotamia, in Persia proper. The southern part of the ARabian peninsula was part of the Ethiopian Empire while Mecca, Medina etc, the eastern and northern part was Persian (northern Oman, Bahrain, the UAE etc.), the middle of the Arabian peninsula was not claimed by anyone as it was more or less worthless to them. Christianity did NOT spread there -- though Gnostic and Arian thoughts were widespread there (they are both Christian heresies -- Islam too is a Christian heresy)

[Cronos]

This


is what the Byzantine Empire looked like

And this


is what the Parthian Empire looked like

[Cronos]

I hope we can keep Islamics around for the comedic relief they bring us.

I'd rather have the Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Cronos]

Christians lost control over Judea, Syria and Egypt -- the Crusaders went to regain control of those lands.

[Cronos]

That 14th century thing is nonsense -- slammie apologists say "oh, look at what Christianity was like after it had survived 14 centuries..." forgetting what all of the world was like in the 14th century -- in fact, the slammie world was more advanced (because they had conquered the Greek, Persian and Indian advanced civilisations)

By that standard the Jews had their 14th century somewhere around the time of Christ, so are they millenia ahead of us technologically? Ditto for the Buddhists while Hinduism is way, way older.

[Cronos]

The Holy Land was also not initially a Christian possession, but was controlled by numerous local powers until the coming of the Moslems to the region

The holy land was part of the Roman (undivided) Empire and then part of the Eastern Roman Empire until the slammie conquest.

[Junior]

Forgot about the Eastern Roman Empire. My bust.

[yankeedame]

In the 7th cent., Jerusalem was taken by the caliph The Christians did not control those areas originally. The Crusades were fought nominally to "free the Holy Land" from the infidels (Moslems). The Holy Land was also not initially a Christian possession, but was controlled by numerous local powers until the coming of the Moslems to the region. Note, the Moslems did not forbid Christians from making pilgrimages to the area, but the fact that infidels controlled the holy sites of Chritendom was intolerable.

Well, yes and no...

"Pilgrimages were not cut off at first, but early in the 11th cent. the Fatimid caliph Hakim began to persecute the Christians and despoiled the Holy Sepulcher. Persecution abated after his death (1021), but relations remained strained and became more so when Jerusalem passed (1071) from the comparatively tolerant Egyptians to the Seljuk Turks....

"Late in the 11th cent., Byzantine Emperor Alexius I, threatened by the Seljuk Turks, appealed to the West for aid. This was not the first appeal of the kind... Direct impetus was given the crusade by the great speech of Pope Urban II ...[who] exhorted Christendom to go to war for the Sepulcher..."

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site quoted:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0857642.html

[SunkenCiv]

"They discovered that Earth emits radiation, and they wrote about this on the web. They left the item there for 21 days, and then they made it disappear... It was very significant, since…the Ka'ba [in Mecca]… They said it emits radiation. This radiation is short-wave. When they discovered this radiation, they started to zoom in, and they found that it emanates from Mecca – and, to be precise, from the Ka'ba."

This all took place in 1969, the year Al Gore invented the web. I sure do love history.

[SunkenCiv]

http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/detail.dsml?Key=K10&index=

[SunkenCiv]

great quote, from the Kuwaiti:

The one who destroyed Iraq was an Iraqi. It was an Arab and Muslim Iraqi ruler who destroyed Iraq, exiled its people, forcing a third of the Iraqis to live abroad. People were thrown into jails and into detention and death camps. Yet some portray things as though the Iraqi problem started with the Americans. Iraq's problems started with us, with an Arab Muslim ruler who wreaked corruption upon the land.

Now they are getting involved in Sudan's affairs, not because the Americans want to get involved in Sudan's affairs, but because there is a real problem in Sudan. We, the Arabs, sat on the sidelines and watched what was going on in Darfour, while two million people died in the Sudanese civil war. None of us dedicated the slightest thought to resolving the Sudanese problem. But the moment the Americans arrive in Sudan, all of a sudden Sudan became important. It is time we extricated ourselves from this dangerous vicious cycle.

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[USF]

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