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MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S LEGAL FLIP-FLOP
Robert Drobot | 22 Feb 2005 | Robert Drobot

Posted on 02/22/2005 4:56:11 AM PST by Robert Drobot

......he was going spend the rest of his life comforting and caring for his beloved......

This is what the jury heard, when Michael Schiavo sought an award of lifetime compensation in the care for his disabled wife, Terri.

Very noble. Schiavo was clear. HE was going to do for Terri what HE KNEW, without equivocation, he wanted to provide to Terri.

LIFETIME care.

There was no issue from the then loving and devoted husband about his wife wanting to die; at least when the goal was winning a jury award.

Did he intentionally lie to a jury, in order to collect money - all the while knowing Terri wanted no care of any kind?

Could he actually have forgotten this life changing detail during the malpractice trial?

The lawyers defending against his lawsuit could and would have had the suit dismissed, had they known Terri's alleged wishes.

The prize was a million plus. So what harm can come from a little fudging.

Michael took the check to the bank.

Now Cometh Part II - Cutting Losses

Comes now the 'flash from the past'; 'total recall'; a 'back to the future' moment'.

As though holding hands around a table, Michael AND some of HIS biologicals have a revelation. They see Terri telling them she does not want care of any kind.

Compelled by this ethereal message, they search out a lawyer who will gleefully do their bidding. He is turn finds a judge unworthy of the name, and Terri's fate is officially decreed.

Government Administered Death by starvation. A death reserved for innocents, lacking the ability to speak in their own behalf, and that's the best part - the victim can't communicate - or so says the court - having NEVER observed the victim.

Michael stroked that malpractice jury with tales about how he was devoting his life to the care and comfort of his wife. It was enough to make one and all shed a tear. Oscar stuff, some might have said.

.......but that was before he deposited what now has the appearance of ill gotten gain.

BEHOLD THE SMOKING GUN?

Is this not the smoking gun? The legal 2x4 attorneys could/can/should be using to smack MS up-side the head, but in all these years they haven't (Have they?) used!?!?!?!?

This is the stuff of a Shakespearian play; a Hitchcock thriller. A classic tale of diabolical deceit, and a morally corrupt court facilitating the perfect murder of an innocent woman unheard and unseen.

It is Michael who managed a well timed epiphany.

It is Michael who does a legal flip-flop, which will rid himself of unwanted responsibility; unwanted commitment; unwanted celibacy/sexual contact.

He finds he must act with all of the ways and means at his disposal to meet, he says, now, the will of his beloved, his one and only love ( Yes, it's true about his fathering two kids, while his beloved lies crippled, but hey he says he's got Terri's interests at heart.)

He now knows his purpose. Have the state do to Terri what he didn't tell that jury he was going to do.

KILL TERRI

In the film Kill Bill, the gal is no longer bed ridden, and proceeds to do her own form of justice on those who sought her end.

I would be a good end to this horrific story for Terri to fully recover from whatever/whomever put her in the hospital, and watch justice have its turn at bat.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: award; care; florida; government; greer; judges; jury; lawyers; lifetime; malpractice; nurse; oath; schiavo; system; terri; terrischiavo
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Has Terri's legal team pursued the question of Michael's testimony before the malpractice jury, and compared it to the the 180 he did to get a court to order the murder of Terri Schindler?
1 posted on 02/22/2005 4:56:17 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
forgive me for being skeptical, but I've never heard "part I" before. Can you provide sources?

Thanks.

2 posted on 02/22/2005 5:00:42 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: cyn; amdgmary; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; tutstar

Ping Alert! Please ping your lists.


3 posted on 02/22/2005 5:05:37 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot

That's a good question!

This ought to get a few people to perspiring once they know about it....

http://www.theempirejournal.com/22105002_pattern_of_alleged_coll.htm

Affidavits have been signed which point to previous collusion in Greer's courtroom as well as refusing to accept evidence.


4 posted on 02/22/2005 5:09:17 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The hundreds of threads dealing with MS winning a malpractice award in Terri's name are here for the search. I don't have the time or inclination to do your research.

Go to terrisfight.org do a little searching around there.

No disrespect, but it's hard to believe a FReeper supporting Terri, isn't aware of the 'part I', as you put it.

5 posted on 02/22/2005 5:12:08 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot

I still say that anyone wanting to pull her feeding tube be forced to go 3 days without liquid intake to get an idea of how it feels...


6 posted on 02/22/2005 5:49:31 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Robert Drobot; supercat; tuckrdout; FL_engineer; amdgmary; tutstar
Thanks for posting this as its own thread. This was discussed a bit on the daily Terri thread yesterday -- have to go in a minute, so can't put my hand on it now.

These photos were, I believe, used in court -- or at least in the court of public opinion in the St. Pete area. The St. Pete Times photographer is, I believe, still with the paper -- as I posted with these pictures last year, I'm sure it did not take him long to get these photos. Terri is very obviously "THERE". Not in a coma. Not PVS.

Terri after the accident, yet before Mikie remembered her wish not to have a feeding tube, (and before he got the settlement):

THANKS tuckrdout for posting these photos on the other thread. They are timeless.

the invisible hand, FL engineer's home page has some great Terri links that might also be of help -- he has a GREAT Terri post that he might slap up here, esp. since they support RD's thread so well.

RD, we should get that "transcript" of the MedPlex reports on this thread, too, and the court transcripts that Michael wanted to be a nurse so that he could care for her "forever".

Sorry, I have got to go.

7 posted on 02/22/2005 5:53:44 AM PST by cyn
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To: Robert Drobot

Can you add me to your ping list? Thanks!


8 posted on 02/22/2005 5:56:31 AM PST by Halls
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To: Robert Drobot
You'll surely be flabbergasted to learn that I've lived in the same county as Terry Schiavo for over 15 years and that I have done work for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.

Mr. Schiavo's financial shenanigans were of no interest to me until now; the responsibility of a just government to protect innocent life has always been.

9 posted on 02/22/2005 6:06:16 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Robert Drobot

I went to your site but it doesn't answer why did he win a malpractice suit? What did the hospital do wrong?


10 posted on 02/22/2005 6:10:06 AM PST by queenkathy
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To: trebb; Robert Drobot; supercat
"anyone wanting to pull her feeding tube...

ANOTHER crucial concept someone made is that Terri's g tube does not have to be "pulled" -- which is unnecessary surgery (w/possibility of infection, discomfort, mental anguish, etc). >> All they have to do is simply not pour her nutrition into the tube! <<

"Pulling the tube" is superfluous, NOT something being done "in Terri's best interest".

Clearly this is all about hype, public opinion, public perception. The public is actively encouraged to confuse her feeding tube with a ventilator.

gotta go, so sorry.

11 posted on 02/22/2005 6:10:41 AM PST by cyn
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To: cyn; Robert Drobot
Two more photos from your pre-jury-award collection, which are ironic because Mikey NOW doesn't allow Terri to have a working wheelchair or go outside!




12 posted on 02/22/2005 6:20:05 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I'm rarely 'flabbergasted; especially on the internet, where truth is as foreign as illegal aliens.


13 posted on 02/22/2005 6:22:06 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Robert Drobot
Michael Schiavo: Loving Husband or Monster? -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1347403/posts?page=94 /blockquote>

14 posted on 02/22/2005 6:23:38 AM PST by cyn
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To: Robert Drobot
Here is the link to that post from supercat -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333205/posts?page=2373#2373:

Latest entry in my blog

Why remove a feeding tube anyway

If a patient is on a ventilator and it is desired to discontinue artificial ventilation, there are reasons to physically remove the ventilator. It's bulky, useless (once its function is discontinued), and its continued presence could interfere with natural breathing.

A gastrostomic tube, however, is not a piece of external equipment to which a patient is connected. Nor does it interfere with "normal" eating. Instead, a g-tube is just a small tube that connects the stomach to the abdominal wall. A second mouth, basically. A funnel or food bag can be connected to it at feeding time, but otherwise it just sits there. Unlike a big bulky ventilator, or even an IV, a gastrosomic tube does not interfere with patient mobility nor with anything else a patient might want to do.

Even if a patient is in end-stage cancer and doesn't want to be fed, a gastrostomic tube cannot not by itself force unwanted food into the patient. If it's necessary to stop feeding a patient, a caregiver can simply decline to put any more food through the tube.

To be sure, there are sometimes good reasons to remove a g-tube:

  1. The tube becomes clogged or infected; in this case, normal protocol would be to remove the old one and install a new one.
  2. The patient regains sufficient ability to take food by mouth that there is no anticipated future need for the feeding tube and its continued presence would do naught but create a risk of future infection.
Discontinuing food and water for a terminal hydration for a terminal patient, however, is not a good reason for removing a g-tube. The tube's continued presence doesn't hurt the patient, and removing the feeding tube represents an unnecessary surgery with no therapeutic benefit.

Why, then, are feeding tubes removed from terminal or supposedly-terminal patients?

Because, to the uninitiated, "removing a feeding tube" sounds much more like letting nature take its course than does "stopping feeding the patient".


Other posts to that part of the thread also helpful.


15 posted on 02/22/2005 6:34:31 AM PST by cyn (THANKS superdupercat)
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To: cyn

the above line of thought shows that Michael is by no means seeking what is best for Terri by subjecting her to unnecessary surgery.

If you're gonna starve her, just stop feeding her. And yeah, it IS just that cruel.


16 posted on 02/22/2005 6:36:48 AM PST by cyn (THANKS superdupercat)
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To: cyn
My wife's opinion is that Michael wants her dead because he put her there in the first place. If Michael Schiavo assaulted her, as he has assaulted women in the past, causing her brain damage and putting her in the hospital, would he want her to receive therapy that could possibly help her regain her speech or movement? Does this explain why he has denied her any therapy that could help her is this regard?

Why doesn't the court ask these questions?

17 posted on 02/22/2005 6:46:06 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: cyn

cyn, looks like a good read. thank you.


18 posted on 02/22/2005 7:13:21 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Terri Ping!!

Thoughtful article!

19 posted on 02/22/2005 7:13:59 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Prayers are going up for Terrie.

I have a niece who a year ago ended up similar to Terrie. She was in a coma for a month but when she came out of it she eventually was able to talk. She is not able to move on her own, or go to the bathroom or feed herself. She has seizures and they have to keep her heavily medicated in order to keep her body from thrashing around.

When her brother went to see her she told him she didn't want to die.

20 posted on 02/22/2005 8:31:53 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Dr. Thorne
Why doesn't the court ask these questions?

Find out how Good ole' Judge Greer got his JUDGESHIP and you will find the answer to your question.

21 posted on 02/22/2005 8:35:08 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (DEM MOTTO: If we can't run this country, we will run it into the ground.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Find out why this case has controlled by GREER since the beginning. Funny, that it has never gone to any other judge (other than for their review).

Find GREER's roots, find out WHO PUT HIM IN OFFICE, and how it was DONE ILLEGALLY.

Then you will know, who he is and WHAT MASTER HE SERVES.


22 posted on 02/22/2005 8:38:39 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (DEM MOTTO: If we can't run this country, we will run it into the ground.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Ping!


23 posted on 02/22/2005 9:15:15 AM PST by AliVeritas
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To: AliVeritas

I contacted the insurance fraud people:
Thank you for contacting the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud.

I don't know the answer to your question without more details. But filing a major lawsuit can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees with no guarantee the plaintiff will ever see a penny. That's why insurance companies don't take civil action more often.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Dennis Jay
Coalition Against Insurance Fraud

Visit our website: http://www.insurancefraud.org/

A national alliance of consumers, insurers and government agencies dedicated to combating all forms of insurance fraud through public information and advocacy.

On Feb 21, 2005, at 11:32 PM, Barbara Schatt wrote:


Why don't insurance companies sue to recover their funds that are not used for the purpose they were granted?
Case, Terri Schiavo was granted 1.7 million, but within a month of having the award in hand, Michael Schiavo had hired an attorney to ...... He had stopped all therapy, and medial attention. I doubt a jury would have awarded that amount if he had said she wanted to die. Therefore, he was either seeking to gain the funds for his personal use or he is lying now as he claims she told him she wanted to dies years before her "accident". A curious mind wants to know.
Please respond.
_______________
Bug them


24 posted on 02/22/2005 9:43:26 AM PST by curiousmind
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To: cyn

I am rip-roaring pissed off after reading this. And guess what? I've lived in Pinellas County long enough to know that gross micarriages of justice are not the exception, they are the rule. Damn that place.


25 posted on 02/22/2005 10:18:57 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: cyn

I am rip-roaring pissed off after reading this. And guess what? I've lived in Pinellas County long enough to know that gross micarriages of justice are not the exception, they are the rule. Damn that place.


26 posted on 02/22/2005 10:20:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Robert Drobot
I rarely post here but wanted to say what a great article on the legal flip flop. Here is a link to what ran in the St. Petersburg Times after the malpractice award. Makes very interesting reading especially where the attorney for the SCHIAVO's makes the point that, "you can tell she has some sense of her predicament." 1992 Malpractice Settlement
27 posted on 02/22/2005 10:29:35 AM PST by mommy23
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To: cyn

Thank you for that info.


28 posted on 02/22/2005 11:23:15 AM PST by Sabatier
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To: Deo volente; Howlin; MarMema; BykrBayb; supercat; Mr. Silverback; Mrs.Nooseman; Lovergirl; ...
MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S LEGAL FLIP-FLOP....a smoking gun ping!!!
29 posted on 02/23/2005 1:55:41 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; mommy23
mommy23, thanks kindly for providing a link to the '92 lawsuit in your Post # 27. the invisib1e hand, I will presume this is the information you sought earlier. Hope it raises more questions than answers for you.
30 posted on 02/23/2005 2:03:01 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: All

Bob and Mary Schindler, center, parents of "....Terri [Schindler], walk past a
demonstrator outside the Florida hospice where [Terri] is staying. (Chris O'meara -- AP)

31 posted on 02/23/2005 2:20:01 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot

thank you. what i really want it to see people united to do the right thing.


32 posted on 02/23/2005 5:07:18 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Robert Drobot
On CourtTV the poll favors Michael. How sad. You can vote on 13th Juror.

CourtTV poll

33 posted on 02/23/2005 5:28:09 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Robert Drobot; mommy23

I read this. There is clearly something very rotten going on. It's so obvious it reads like a cheap detective novel. "In nursing home due to heart attack brought on by eating disorder?" If it weren't so tragic and abominable, it would be comic.


34 posted on 02/23/2005 5:39:21 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: mommy23; Ohioan from Florida; cyn; tutstar; amdgmary; Wampus SC; BykrBayb; All; TAdams8591; ...
Good one!

St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Nov 12, 1992.



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35 posted on 02/23/2005 6:02:47 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Robert Drobot
CONTRADITIONS
36 posted on 02/23/2005 6:41:56 AM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: FL_engineer

Clever.


37 posted on 02/23/2005 7:57:30 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
CourtTV poll

Should the husband of Terri Schiavo be allowed to remove her feeding tube?

49.66% Yes 50.34% No

38 posted on 02/23/2005 8:18:39 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Chocolate Rose
Thank you Chocolate Rose. I pray the lawyers have argued the flip-flop in court, or will today!!!
39 posted on 02/23/2005 8:24:30 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot

BTTT!


40 posted on 02/23/2005 8:25:26 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Robert Drobot

Some people have not heard it yet!

He is doing a service for the Culture of Life.


41 posted on 02/23/2005 8:26:13 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dante3
Thanks for that link!

http://www.courttv.com/13thjuror/inthenews.asp

Should the husband of Terri Schiavo be allowed to remove her feeding tube?
49.91%
Yes
50.09%
No

42 posted on 02/23/2005 8:31:38 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
One of the many things that is so scary about this case and should concern all of us is that someone such as Michael Schiavo is allowed to be the guardian of Terri.

How many wives would want an estranged husband who has a live-in mistress, two illegitimate children, and a sadistic temper to be the one to decide if they live or not.

Also, not many people would chose to be starved to death.

43 posted on 02/23/2005 8:39:07 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Robert Drobot

Michael also had the feeding tubes of his own parents removed. I don't know how much his inheritance was. Strange that no photos of his mistress Jodi have shown up anywhere.


44 posted on 02/23/2005 9:37:14 AM PST by Dante3
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To: trebb

Yes, they should.


45 posted on 02/23/2005 9:49:59 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
How many wives would want an estranged husband who has a live-in mistress, two illegitimate children, and a sadistic temper to be the one to decide if they live or not. Also, not many people would chose to be starved to death.

of all the words I've seen written on this, this is about the most concise summation of the facts. Makes it very crystal clear.

46 posted on 02/23/2005 10:02:27 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
This alone proves something is rotten in Pinellas County.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

47 posted on 02/23/2005 10:03:54 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin' out over the line)
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To: Mr. Silverback; cyn; tutstar; Ohioan from Florida; TOUGH STOUGH; Republic; FR_addict; phenn; ...

Ping to
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349215/posts?page=9#9


48 posted on 02/23/2005 10:16:50 AM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: Robert Drobot

In the CourtTV poll NO is now over 51%. Still needs freeping.


49 posted on 02/23/2005 10:21:30 AM PST by Dante3
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For any newbies out there---

TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005

50 posted on 02/23/2005 11:26:28 AM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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