The most unnatural act performed by men and women.
If gays were in charge of the world, mankind would
surely be extinct!
THE PING!Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.
In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.
The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.
In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.
"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.
In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.
"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.
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Tiaras, gloves, and jeweled rings are for the Queen of England.
Thank God Paul VI rid the Papacy of its monarchical trappings.
Christ is risen and he no longer needs a place to rest his head.
Wrong. Christ did, and still does, identify with the poor. As should we.
The Catholic Church is about the triumphant King of Glory.
Pure silliness. The Catholic Church is about leading men to God, not lording over them like a prince.
Pius X was, no doubt, a good man, since he smoked an occasional cigar.
The crowds chant for John Paul II because they love him. And that's as it should be.
The only members are the priests, nuns, monks and third orders. I'm a Catholic in good standing who attends SSPX chapels for the benefit of my faith.
I bet you belong to them or at least are highly sympathetic to their causes, but I can't be absolutely sure. Anyway maybe I should have said ultra-traditionalist.
I belong to the Catholic Church as does any baptized Catholic who attends their chapels. But even if I were Jewish, Atheist, or Methodist, that wouldn't take away from the truth of my statements. I would like you to supply a definition of "ultra-traditionalist" I had an online discussion with a famous Catholic Apologist who tried that one on me. When I rebutted, he wasn't much in the mood for a debate and chose to scamper off.
No doubt Pius X was a great Pope who fought modernism hard.
Yep. He was a model saint and model Pope who took action and knew he had the responsibility that there is no one between him and God to look to.
But complaining about the current Pope will not do any good. If he was too harsh he could force open schism (although maybe he should do this anyway).
I don't see why complaining about the actions and inactions of the Pope is no good. He needs to know he's not feeding his flock properly. I agree that he should simply state the truth and let the chips fall where they may regarding a break with the liberals. We don't need them.
So there are logical reasons for doing what he is doing, even if he is choosing the wrong options.
Choosing the wrong options is not logical.
So please keep your opinions to yourself or at least away from the general Catholic public and remember to pray for the Pope!
Why do you want to prohibit me from my opinion with a post that gives your opinion? I'm part of the general Catholic public and obligated under justice and charity to point out error in my brethren. And I do pray for the Pope in my morning prayers each day.
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Great links! Thanks for posting them.
What does celibacy have to do with homosexuality or molester/priests? One can be celibate and straight and a non-molester. That's a far cry from someone who is a practicing homosexual and an ordained priest, or bishop. Bishop Gene Robinson comes to mind. He's a homosexual priest/bishop who actively engages in sex. Where's the celibacy there? (Yes, I know he's not Catholic, but don't other denominations take a vow of celibacy, or is it just the Catholics?)
Latin Masses? Whats wrong with those?
First, I'd like you to prove that tiaras, gloves and jeweled rings are exclusively for the Queen of England. I'm sure you are twice the man that Richard the Lionheart was for not wearing what he wore. Second the modern monarchy in England is a fake. She's not Catholic. Pathetic attempt at baiting. Any new tricks? You simply don't know the symbolism behind these ornaments. Men running around in bathrobes on Sundays during the Novus Ordo tells us a lot more about who the "Queens" are and what they prefer to wear. You prattle on about the 'shoes' of the fisherman or the Ring of the Fisherman but when someone actually wears real shoes and real rings you have a hissy fit. This is the Protestant separation of the material world from the spiritual (which is really just the emotional/psychological world and not the supernatural)
Thank God Paul VI rid the Papacy of its monarchical trappings.
So, you're going to blast John XXIII for keeping them? You simply don't understand and bash it as a reactionary. The papacy must be seen as part of it's temporal effectiveness. You seem to want it to hide in the shadows. Are you for the movement to have the Pope no longer reside in the Vatican apartments? If so, why? If not, why do you think there is a movement for this?
Christ is risen and he no longer needs a place to rest his head.
Wrong. Christ did, and still does, identify with the poor. As should we.
What does that have to do with honoring God and the Divinely instituted office of the papacy? Apples and oranges. Judas had the same thought as you and Christ pointed out that Mary Magdelene was correct in honoring him. It's estimated that the oil she used would have cost 300 silver pieces. So we do the same honoring of him for his Vicar. " For the poor you have always with you; but me you have not always." One can do both honor to the poor and Christ. It doesn't have to be an either/or as you've presented it. Judas the liberal "concerned" about the poor, sold Our Lord out for 1/10th of that amount.
The Catholic Church is about the triumphant King of Glory.
The Catholic Church is about leading men to God,
I guess God is the lucky one then. Right? I find this denial of God as being glorious and triumphant disturbing.
not lording over them like a prince.
That is pure silliness. Popes are far more than princes. And you just don't get it that the Pope is bigger than the man who is the Pope. The robes and jewels and pomp and circumstance are about the papacy. They obscure the man so from century to century you know who the Pope is and he generally looks the same. Leaders need symbols to lead. That is a human fact that you can't escape. Just as collar and cassock give the sermon on the death of the secular man and the rebirth of the priest. Just as candles represent the light that is Christ and incense the prayers ascending to Heaven.
Pius X was, no doubt, a good man, since he smoked an occasional cigar.
Yes. THAT must be what made him a good man. Not his uncompromising devotion to being the guardian of the deposit of faith.
The crowds chant for John Paul II because they love him. And that's as it should be.
They don't "love" him any more than any other celebrity. They barely know anything about him. Bruce Springsteen will get an identical reaction. They know nothing about what the papacy is. He's demoted it to the level of Pop personality. If they loved the papacy, they wouldn't need to act like animals in front of the Pope and if he loved the papacy he would forget himself and treat the office with the dignity it deserves.
Honestly, those who point out that this Pope has been sub par are totally not represented compared to the sycophants who think that "Jesus loves you!" is some new revelation when JPII says it.
This praise for mediocrity at best and blindness towards scandal is what seriously needs a rest. It's syrupy and foolish.
Thank you for your usual defense of the Holy Father. (/sarcasm). It's Lent! Give the attacks a break .. or don't the SSPX schismatics celebrate this season any more? No mention of the growth in the Catholic Church, especially in 3rd world countries.
He's pope in a world awash with with the philosophies of self-affirmation, self-assertion and independence. It's a world whose leaders balk at allowing themselves to be photographed in physically compromised situations, looking weak, vulnerable and dependent on others. Yet, the Pope comes before crowds week after week, barely able to move, needing help sometimes even to finish his remarks.
And still the crowds come - because this man's message is the message of Christ, the man of sorrows who came to deliver us from sorrow.
Despite the secularism that has gripped the Western world, we are under his watch, as pontiff. He signed the Catechism that has given our faith such clarity. His teachings have stood as signs of contradiction in the world. He has himself been the central attraction at events like the World Youth Day, and the Jubilee festivals that sparked so man initiatives throughout the Church. We learned how to be Catholics from this master and his words. Last week, from his hospital bed, the Holy Father said: "One must have confidence in life!"
Granted there are aspects of the Church with which you may disagree. You are not the pope, nor do you shoulder the burden that he has assumed, until death. Please take your misplaced screed somewhere else. It doesn't belong on a thread where the pontiff has upheld Church teaching with regard to Homosexual Marriage.
Viva Il Papa! Cent'Anni!
No. The Vatican apartments are sparse, from what I hear. Perfectly appropriate for the Pope. Any Pope.
Welcome Home!
Hear, hear!
Thank you! The schismatics love nothing more than to grab every opportunity to accuse the Holy Father of things which are beyond his control.
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