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ZOT! The real facts of social security, courtesy of FactCheck
FactCheck.org ^ | February 3, 2005

Posted on 02/23/2005 8:31:43 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB

Summary

In his State of the Union Address, President Bush said again that the Social Security system is headed for "bankruptcy," a term that could give the wrong idea. Actually, even if it goes "bankrupt" a few decades from now, the system would still be able to pay about three-quarters of the benefits now promised.

Bush also made his proposed private Social Security accounts sound like a sure thing, which they are not. He said they "will" grow fast enough to provide a better return than the present system. History suggests that will be so, but nobody can predict what stock and bond markets will do in the future.

Bush left out any mention of what workers would have to give up to get those private acounts -- a proportional reduction or offset in guaranteed Social Security retirement benefits. He also glossed over the fact that money in private accounts would be "owned" by workers only in a very limited sense -- under strict conditions which the President referred to as "guidelines." Many retirees, and possibly the vast majority, wouldn't be able to touch their Social Security nest egg directly, even after retirement, because the government would take some or all of it back and convert it to a stream of payments guaranteed for life. Analysis

Bush made Social Security the centerpiece of his Feb. 3 State of the Union address. He gave more details of how he proposes to change the system -- but left out facts that don't help his case.

Social Security "Headed Toward Bankruptcy?"

The President painted a dire picture of Social Security's finances:

Bush: The system, however, on its current path, is headed toward bankruptcy . And so we must join together to strengthen and save Social Security.

"Bankruptcy" is a scary term that Democrats have used too, when it suited them, but it could easily give the wrong idea. Nobody is predicting that Social Security will go out of business the way a bankrupt business does. It would continue to pay benefits -- just not as many.

The President was a little more specific about that later in his address, while repeating the word "bankrupt":

Bush: By the year 2042, the entire system would be exhausted and bankrupt . If steps are not taken to avert that outcome, the only solutions would be dramatically higher taxes, massive new borrowing, or sudden and severe cuts in Social Security benefits or other government programs.

But how severe would those benefit cuts be? In fact there are two official projections -- one by the Social Security Administration (SSA) and a somewhat less pessimistic projection by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The President referred to the SSA projection, which calculates that the system's trust fund will be depleted in 2042. After that, the system would have legal authority to pay only 73 percent of currently promised benefits -- and that figure would decline each year after, reaching 68 percent in the year 2075.

The CBO doesn't project trust-fund depletion until a decade later, in 2052, and figures that the benefits cuts wouldn't be so severe, a reduction to 78% of promised benefits. But either way, even a "bankrupt" system would continue to provide most of what's promised currently.

Furthermore, the President did not specify what he would do to fix the problem. He again urged creation of private Social Security accounts. But those would be of no help whatsoever in shoring up the system's finances, as acknowledged earlier in the day by a senior Bush administration official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity:

"Senior Administration Official:" So in a long-term sense, the personal accounts would have a net neutral effect on the fiscal situation of the Social Security and on the federal government.

And that "net neutral effect" is just over the long term, 75 years or more. In the shorter term, creation of private accounts would require heavy federal borrowing to finance the payment of benefits to current retirees while some portion of payroll taxes is being diverted to workers' private accounts. The administration projects it will borrow $754 billion (including interest) through 2015 to finance the initial phase-in of the accounts, and much more thereafter. The liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities -- which opposes Bush's proposal -- projected that $4.5 trillion (with a "t") would be required to finance the first 20 years of the accounts after they start to be phased in in 2009.

Private Accounts: A Sure Thing?

The President made those private accounts -- which he now prefers to call "personal" accounts -- sound like a sure bet:

Bush: Here's why the personal accounts are a better deal. Your money will grow, over time, at a greater rate than anything the current system can deliver -- and your account will provide money for retirement over and above the check you will receive from Social Security.

History suggests that the President is correct -- the stock market has averaged a 6.8 percent "real" rate of return (adjusted for inflation) over the past two centuries, according to Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. The administration says a conservative mix of stocks, corporate bonds and government bonds would return 4.6 percent, even after inflation and administrative costs. And the administration also figures that private accounts would need to generate only a 3 percent rate of return to beat what Social Security provides.

But there's no guarantee that history will repeat itself. Markets are inherently unpredictable and volatile. At present, for example, all major stock-market indexes are still well below where they were five years ago.

Benefit Offsets

The President made no mention of one crucial aspect of the proposed accounts -- anyone choosing one would also have to give up an offsetting portion of their future guaranteed retirement benefits. If their investments in private accounts returned more than 3 percent annually over the years, they would end up better off than under the current formula. But if those investments did worse, they wouldn't make up for the portion of benefits that were given up, and the owner of an account would end up worse off. The President didn't explain that trade-off.

"The Money is Yours?"

The President also glossed over some severely restrictive aspects of the accounts he is proposing, saying flatly "the money is yours."

Bush: In addition, you'll be able to pass along the money that accumulates in your personal account, if you wish, to your children and -- or grandchildren. And best of all, the money in the account is yours, and the government can never take it away .

That's not exactly true.

As described by the "senior administration official," the owners of personal accounts wouldn't be able to touch the money while they are working, not even to borrow. The money would remain in the hands of the federal government, which would administer the personal accounts for a fee which the official said would be about 30 cents per year for every $100 invested.

And even at retirement, the government would control what becomes of the money. First, the government would automatically take back a portion of the money at retirement and convert it to a guaranteed stream of payments for life -- an annuity. The amount taken back would depend on the amount of money the retiree requires to remain above the official poverty guideline. That's currently $12,490 for a couple or $9,310 for a single person. Only after the combination of traditional Social Security benefits and the mandatory annuity payments from the private account equal the poverty level would any remaining portion in the account be "yours."

"Senior Administration Official:" They would be permitted to leave those (leftover) funds in the account to continue to appreciate; they could withdraw those amounts as lump sums to deal with a pressing financial need -- and, obviously, any additional accumulations in the accounts could be left as an inheritance. But the main restriction, again, to repeat, is that people would not be permitted to withdraw money from the accounts to such a degree that by doing so they would spend themselves below the poverty line.

The President didn't mention the mandatory nature of these restrictions, calling them only "guidelines" and describing them only in positive terms:

Bush: (W)e will set careful guidelines for personal accounts. We'll make sure the money can only go into a conservative mix of bonds and stock funds. We'll make sure that your earnings are not eaten up by hidden Wall Street fees. We'll make sure there are good options to protect your investments from sudden market swings on the eve of your retirement. We'll make sure a personal account cannot be emptied out all at once, but rather paid out over time, as an addition to traditional Social Security benefits. And we'll make sure this plan is fiscally responsible, by starting personal retirement accounts gradually, and raising the yearly limits on contributions over time, eventually permitting all workers to set aside four percentage points of their payroll taxes in their accounts.

Feb. 4 Clarification: We originally used the term "clawback" to describe the sum of money that the government would require workers to use to purchase an annuity upon retirement. The White House does not use that term and specifically denies that the mandatory annuity purchase requirement constitutes a "clawback." We have removed our references to that term to characterize the mandatory annuity purchase. Sources

George W. Bush, "State of the Union Address ," The White House, 2 Feb 2005.

"The Short- and Long-Term Outlook for Stocks," Knowledge@Wharton website, The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania: 2 June 2004. (Free subscription required.)

White House Office of the Press Secretary, "Background Press Briefing on Social Security," press release, 2 Feb 2005.

US Department of Health and Human Services, "Annual Update of the HHS Poverty Guidelines," Federal Register 13 Feb 2004: 7336.


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To: Calpernia

Nice Sephiroth you got there.


41 posted on 02/23/2005 9:11:00 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
CAOHCAUSCB

UC Santa Barbara, huh? Looks like you burnt one too many brain cells, partying in Isla Vista.

42 posted on 02/23/2005 9:12:48 PM PST by socal_parrot (Inflate the life vest by pulling on the tabs or blow into the tube.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Sephiroth?

Is that what my cartoon is called?

I young girl I use to tutor over the Net from a Yahoo Group gave it to me.


43 posted on 02/23/2005 9:14:23 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

In 1960, the federal courts ruled Social Security is a legislated entitlement. The arrangement between the government and the taxpayers is not a contract, even thought the Dems have used this term. The courts gave the government maximum flexibility to change Social Security based on the situation at hand. At worst, for the young people, Congress can force them to pay and deprive them of any benefits when they become old.


44 posted on 02/23/2005 9:15:21 PM PST by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
In five years, the Surplus in Social Security Maxes out at about 135 billion (taking in more than going out). That money is currently being spent by the government for other things and they are putting T bills in a Social Security location.

In 2018 the amount going in equals the amount going out. At that point the rest of government has 135 billion less than it had before.

After 2018, Social Security is going to make the rest of the government start to buy back all these T-bills, even further reducing the rest of government's disposable income. Then in 2042 the T-bills are gone.

So the train wreck really starts in 5 years. I do not see how the rest of the government is going to come up with the money starting in 5 years.
45 posted on 02/23/2005 9:16:09 PM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Good call, ump!


46 posted on 02/23/2005 9:16:15 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: rdl6989

I didn't read before I pinged. I was busy posting memorials:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349893/posts


47 posted on 02/23/2005 9:16:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ancient_geezer

A wonderful post. I bow before you, Sir Geezer.


48 posted on 02/23/2005 9:18:17 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
Krauthammer has an excellent column on socical security this week. Check it out. Very important read.

Krauthammer (scroll down, on left)

49 posted on 02/23/2005 9:18:48 PM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: rdl6989

50 posted on 02/23/2005 9:20:01 PM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: THX 1138

What irks me is that a decade ago you could find articles in rags like Rolling Stone telling doped up youths of the oncoming social security crisis. Now they have Paul Krugman writing articles telling doped up youths that there is nothing wrong and its just a Bush scheme.


51 posted on 02/23/2005 9:28:03 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Dolphy

The Presdident did give one fix to the problem - private accounts. If the system is otherwise paying 73 or 78% of promised benefits, and your private account earned 6.8%, you might make up the shortfall.

Yes, private accounts are risky. Most people take this risk with their after-tax accounts. And their IRA's. Buying a car or a house are risky. So is changing jobs. And remaining at the same job. Yet we do these things all the time.

One other wrinkle to private accounts. Social Security redistributes income. Your benefit is based on 90% of your average earnings up to a certain level, plus 32% of your earnings up to another level, plus 15% of your earnings after that. This favors lower income workers. Diverting 4% of your income to private accounts doesn't favor anyone.

Finally, the IRS issued regulation 1.412(c)(3) in 1980. One of the examples in the reg is of a pension plan with a funding target of 99% of benefits. They conclude this is not a reasonable funding method.


52 posted on 02/23/2005 9:28:39 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"When you see the SS tax on your paycheck, just add it to the Federal Income tax portion to get your true tax rate"

It's worse than that. Add in the 7.65% of pay that your employer pays on your behalf. That's money neither you nor your employer aren't getting, either.


53 posted on 02/23/2005 9:31:09 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
FactCheck.org is a politically bigoted outfit on the left. This (factual) analysis proves the point.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, Confessions of a "Salivating Moron"

54 posted on 02/23/2005 9:36:45 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (u)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

The forced fraud of socialist security is anti-freedom and definitely anti-life.


55 posted on 02/23/2005 9:43:59 PM PST by PGalt
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To: CAOHCAUCSB; MeekOneGOP
All Your Social Security ARE Belong To Us!!!!

ZOT!

PWND!

56 posted on 02/23/2005 9:55:46 PM PST by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

"And we know that it will not go bankrupt, but it will not be able to fully pay the benefits out..."

1. Get a dictionary
2. Define the term "BANKRUPT"
3. Call your creditors & ask if it is ok to pay 70 something cents on the dollar for the debt you owe
4. Give me a call & let me know what they say
5. Then I'll continue


57 posted on 02/23/2005 9:57:02 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

Hey Mr. President,
Time to do a little house cleaning in the Senior Administration Dept.
Love Ya,
Justanobody


58 posted on 02/23/2005 9:59:04 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
Posting articles from Annenberg, ahhhh. Socialist Lobotomies

One left-wing journal, In These Times, produced John B. Judis, now a senior editor of The New Republic, as well as Sidney Blumenthal, who became a Washington Post reporter. He later became Bill Clinton's chief hatchet man with the media. Another left-wing star, David Gelber was the staff director for the massive May Day 1971 anti-war march on Washington, before moving to network televison news. After a stint producing for Dan Rather, he ended up as Ed Bradley's senior producer at "60 Minutes."

And then there is Robert Scheer, contributing editor to the Los Angeles Times and The Nation, syndicated columnist, and senior lecturer at the Annenberg School for Communication. Scheer's current bio omits some intriguing highlights, however. He visited Kim Il Sung's North Korean paradise and told Radosh, in a taped interview, that Kim had created a true path to socialism. Scheer's views were too much even for Pacifica radio, which refused to run the interview. Scheer later became Wen Ho Lee's staunchest defender.
59 posted on 02/23/2005 10:04:02 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: BJungNan

bump


60 posted on 02/23/2005 10:17:40 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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