Deadly Shooting Puts School on Lockdown (Pittsburgh)

KDKA ^ | 3/16/05 | KDKA

[HereComesTheGOP]

Pittsburgh (KDKA) A deadly shooting outside Carrick High School this afternoon has put the school on lockdown.

Officials have confirmed that one student is dead and two others were wounded in the shooting around 2pm.

According to authorities, police stopped a car outside the school and were running a check on its license plate when another vehicle pulled up and started shooting at the car.

One juvenile in the car was shot in the head and killed; a second juvenile was critically injured by gunshots. A third juvenile in the car was injured by flying glass. Authorities believe all three were Carrick High School students.

Police say the shooting may have involved an AK-47.

As a precaution, students have been kept inside the building past their normal 2:17pm dismissal while police officers swarmed the area; but they're expected to be released within the hour.

More than 1300 students in ninth through twelfth grades are enrolled at Carrick High School, which is located on Parkfield Street.

[Badray]

The North Hills is a comfortable 15 minute ride from dahntahn and is a nice safe quiet area. In the last 3 years, we've only had 2 dozen armed robberies in the main business district and two bank robberies using bombs. But murder and rape is limited to spouses and dates. None are random.

[brazzaville]

Good evening.

"It is full-auto or nothing."

Sorry, TalonDJ, that isn't true. The selector lever has three positions, Safe, Semi Auto, and Auto. I think it is a poor design in an otherwise fine weapon.

The lever is in an awkward position, forcing the operator to take his hand off the grip and away from the trigger. The lever on an AK is also very loud. The selector switch on an M-16 can be operated with the thumb of the shooting hand and they can be tuned to be smooth and silent.

Either would be acceptable under the original interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Michael Frazier

[Spktyr]

The Browning-designed Colt Model 1895 Automatic Machine Gun (using the Maxim-type action) was out in, surprise, 1895. Fully legal for civvie ownership until 1934, was used in several wars.

Browning went on to design the world's first successful autoloading high-power rifle. Patent 659786 was granted on October 6, 1900, and was manufactured and sold by Remington starting in 1906 as the Model 8. An earlier attempt was the first widely sold autoloader - a Winchester, based on pirated Browning designs, sold in 1903.

The first country to adopt a self-loading rifle for general issue was the US on January 6, 1936; the weapon was the M1 Garand. "bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bangKAPIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGG!"

[brazzaville]

Good evening.

I don't know, Diddle, it certainly seemed like you meant it the way you wrote it.

I'm glad to hear that I misread you.

Michael Frazier

[Spktyr]

Mike's right.

The original AK-47 does have three settings that one can choose from on the right-side selector. Top is safe, bottom is semiauto or "single shot," middle is full auto or "hey, where did all my ammo go?". Later military versions sometimes have a fourth selector setting between full and semi that allows it to fire 3 or 4 round bursts. On all variants, the selector lever makes a very loud and distinctive "KLACK" when changing from one setting to another.

On the civilian semi-auto only versions, there's only two settings. Top is safe, bottom is semiauto (some say "off" and "on"). It still makes the KLACK noise. Just about as distinctive as hearing a pump shotgun or rifle action being cycled, and just about as effective at making an uninvited guest leaving your darkened house in a hurry at 3 or 4am. The AK variants that are shotguns make a moderately loud click, not the characteristic KLACK when turning the safety off. They do KLACK when you turn it back on.

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"I love answering my own questions:"

Hopefully you get an honest answer that way.

Michael Frazier

[Badray]

Thank you. I meant to add that, but hit 'post' too soon. Many neighborhoods are small with natural boundaries that makes casual mixing difficult. If your weren't from the neighborhood, you were automatically suspect even if you were just over the next hill.

[Squantos]

There are no AK47's on the streets........your wish is granted.

AK47's are full auto , select fire , military issue weapons that for one to own legally must submit fingerprints, multiple forms signed by senior law enforcement officers and BATF personel under the National Firearms Act as a Class III type firearm. It is illegal to own one in any other form as a private citizen. Thus it's already against the law. So will passing a law to enforce a law for those who never will respect the law be the right way to go to stop the killing ?

The mythical assault weapon exists only in the presstitutes and polidiots minds and those who swallow their shit'n shineola seditious BS.

What we need is a law like that "it's illegal to murder" thang that has clearly worked for a zillion years.

Stay Safe !!
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[Squantos]

Me too I hope I didn't offend with my post to ya !

[need_a_screen_name]

Police say the shooting may have involved an AK-47.

It's bad enough that the MSM calls a civilian version of an AK-47 an AK-47, BUT FREEPERS SHOULD KNOW BETTER!!!!

An AK-47 is a fully automatic weapon found in places like Iraq, NOT in this country. Quit aiding the MSM attempt to blur the lines and confuse the debate. No wonder there are so many uninformed people in this country

What we might have here is an AK-47 STYLED weapon that is NOT a machine gun. One pull of the trigger and one shot fired. Just like many normal hunting rifles in use all over the country. This one just looks ugly.

[Spktyr]

There are some actual, real AK-47's in the US. The Marines own them and use them for training. I hear the Fort Irwin (US Army OPFOR guys) troops have them, too. I'm not aware of any legal AK-47s in US civvie hands, I think all the Class III AKs are AKMs and the like.

[weegee]

The fear should not be of another Columbine but of another Beslan.

Just as schools had to be redesigned to prevent deaths in fires and hurricanes, so must they be better planned for armed hostage situations (students or terrorists).

Beslan killed more than 20 to 1 over Columbine.

[weegee]

If not guns they would use bombs. The numbers of bombs in schools every year NEVER makes the national news. I can recall nearly a dozen certified bombs in schools I attended in two states (with some false bomb threats also called in by students).

Never makes the national news. Doesn't help the anti-gun agenda.

[SendShaqtoIraq]

You didn't hear about the shootings in Atlanta, Chicago and up north in that church? They both happened more than two days ago.

[need_a_screen_name]

"There are some actual, real AK-47's in the US. The Marines own them and use them for training. I hear the Fort Irwin (US Army OPFOR guys) troops have them, too. I'm not aware of any legal AK-47s in US civvie hands, I think all the Class III AKs are AKMs and the like."



Thanks. I thought there might be a few Class III AK-47s in the US, but for all intents and purposes, there aren't any in civilian hands. Only AK styled weapons. You would never know that by watching the nightly news.

I can't believe how many gun owners (and FReepers) have bought into and use the MSM and antigun verbiage. I also hate people using the term hi-caps when they are simply describing "full" or "standard" capacity magazines. The abortions manufactured during the AWB would be more aptly called "restricted" capacity magazines.

I'm afraid I'm fighting a losing battle, though.

[R. Scott]

Things like that happen sometimes.

[Vaquero]

the second ammendment is about being able to protect oneself both from criminals and for the original reason for its inception, from the GOVERNMENT.

Bye the way....its not about hunting or target shoot.

"DEMOCRACY is 2 Wolves and a Sheep voting on what to have for dinner....LIBERTY is a well armed sheep contesting that vote" B. Franklin

[SE Mom]

Me too I hope I didn't offend with my post to ya !

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No offense taken:)

[Bon mots]

Police were looking for a late-1990s or early-2000s green or teal-colored car with a sunroof, possibly a Buick LeSabre or Buick Park Avenue. At least two black males were believed to be inside.

The police had the victims' car pulled over and were on the scene when this went down, and this is the best they could do? Were their eyes opened or not?

[Condor51]

***I think part of my strong AK-47 reaction is from listening to my son recount stories of Iraqi's with AK's ...***

Sooooo, if your son would have said "Tommy Guns", you'd want them banned? Oops, I mean 'off the streets'.

But then, what about Iraqi's with Daisy Red Ryder BB guns? Or how about Iraqi's with Sling Shots? If your son said that would you 'feel' the same way? No of course not, as that would be pretty absurd wouldn't it. It's the same with an AK-47 (or AK-74, or SKS), that is unless you've bought into the false hoods and utter tripe spewed by the leftist MSM on so-called 'assault rifles'.

And just so you know, an AK-47 fires a less powerful cartridge (ammo) than your average, run of the mill hunting rifle. Ergo there is nothing evil or nefarious about an 'AK-47'. It is not some magic killing machine.