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Are MS Word's Grammar Checker Well Enough, Professor Asks
NBC5i ^ | March 29, 2005

Posted on 03/30/2005 8:30:57 AM PST by Vision Thing

What's wrong with this sentence?

"Microsoft the company should big improve Word grammar check."

A University of Washington associate professor ran it through the grammar check in Microsoft Word, and the software found it acceptable.

Sandeep Krishnamurthy is now on a mission to get the software giant to tweak its grammar-check system.

He says he discovered problems after scolding a student he'd given a poor grade for submitting a paper filled with grammatical errors. The student complained that she had used the software to check for errors.

Microsoft says grammar is almost impossible for a computer to master because it requires artificial intelligence that isn't available. Microsoft Word spokesman Chris Pratley said the best way to ensure grammar is correct is to pay attention in school.


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To: Vision Thing

Should read "Microsoft, the company, should improve Word grammar check."


41 posted on 03/30/2005 8:59:15 AM PST by 4thInfVet (Howard Dean, the gift that keeps on giving!)
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To: PeterFinn

"Bobs' car" implies that you have more than one Bob. Whereas "Bob's car" states that the car belongs to Bob.


42 posted on 03/30/2005 8:59:38 AM PST by msdrby (Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen and defended by its citizens.)
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To: Gingersnap

When I was a tech writer in a previous life, the only grammar tool that I used was the one that measured readability levels. I targeted my writing for the eighth grade reading level.


43 posted on 03/30/2005 9:00:34 AM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: msdrby

My left Bob is a little bigger than my right Bob.


44 posted on 03/30/2005 9:00:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Gingersnap

"Technical document production is my profession. I never use any grammar software. I also read every spelling "error" before I okay changes. I make my staff do this also.
"

Good idea. Some years ago, I wrote an instructional book about a popular word processor. It included two chapters on that program's macro language, which was remarkably similar to Basic.

When I got the page proofs back from the publisher, I found that every instance in the book of the word "If" had been changed to "When."

I called the copy editor for the book, a young woman who had recently graduated from one of the better East Coast universities, and asked her what she had in mind with that.

"Our style sheet says that it is preferable to use "when" instead of "if."", she said.

I explained to her that none of the macros in the book would work, given her substitution.

"So...what do you expect me to do about it?", She retorted.

I told her, "You might want to think about updating your resume." Then I called the Editor-in-Chief of the publishing company, corrected the page proof, and got on with my life.

The young woman is now editing novels.


45 posted on 03/30/2005 9:02:38 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL!


46 posted on 03/30/2005 9:02:56 AM PST by msdrby (Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen and defended by its citizens.)
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To: Vision Thing

I just checked the following: "Microsoft have just released a bug-free product and are, therefore, no longer supporting it."

It highlighted 'have' but if I am British, that is correct usage. So, you need to be careful. Not everyone uses the same rules.


47 posted on 03/30/2005 9:03:14 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PeterFinn
The possessive use, such as its' or Bobs' , is obliterated by spel cheker. If it does not obliterate the proper use it alters the possessive to a contraction.

Hello? Bobs' is not correct. (You might use "the Jones's car", but even if you know someone named Bobs, then "Bobs' is incorrect). You could use the boys' game, referrring to a game the boys are playing.

Bobs' becomes Bob's which has a different meaning.

Yeah, it's more sensible.

"Bobs' car" becomes, literally, "Bob's car" which means "Bob is car".

Uhhh, no, it doesn't. "Bob's car" means the car that is possessed by Bob.

48 posted on 03/30/2005 9:03:23 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"My left Bob is a little bigger than my right Bob."

If you weren't a guy, I'd ask for photographic proof.


49 posted on 03/30/2005 9:04:18 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PeterFinn
At the risk of piling on I ask in all earnestness: Where did you learn that the possessive of a singular had the apostrophe following the "s"? Is it a non-American English structure? In my experience, the only time the apostrophe follows the "s" is when the "s" is already present, such as in the plural form of a word, or as part of the word itself.

Another one that gets me: "insure" versus "ensure". To insure is to take out a policy in the event of loss or damage. To ensure is to make certain. (This was not aimed at you, PF, but I thought I'd put it here instead of writing a whole new post for it. Thanks for the interruption.)
50 posted on 03/30/2005 9:05:50 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Everything that I've written on it for the past two years is GONE!)
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To: Vision Thing

Yes, their are definitely some problems with there softwear.


51 posted on 03/30/2005 9:06:51 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions Freely Dispensed as Advice)
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To: MineralMan

"The young woman is now editing novels."

I can tell she is doing well. Most novels have about one grammar/spelling error per page these days.

The funniest one I ever saw was a manual that had replaced all cases of 'the' with 'The'. So you got sentences such as, "The guy saw The oTher guy with Their friend, LuTher." It was a bit distracting.


52 posted on 03/30/2005 9:09:01 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MineralMan

LOL!

Sounds like the young woman from one of the better East Coast universities has never used macros before.


53 posted on 03/30/2005 9:09:02 AM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: PeterFinn
Microsoft has all but obliterated the proper use of the apostrophe.

Amen. I went back to college in 1996 after a 40 year absence. It drove me crazy to be in work groups with some of the (much) younger students. Many of them knew nothing of grammar, punctuation, or spelling. Their excuse always was that their work had passed the computer grammar and spell checker.

I got around it by always volunteering to type up the final project. I would surreptitiously correct the spelling, grammar, punctuation, and APA end notes for the rest of my group. Got an A every time!

I did graduate with honors for the highest grade point in my class too. However, I never got thanked by any of my groups. They probably didn't even notice my contribution.

It got really sticky once when a member of my group (niece of a prominent school official in our city) gave me her part of a group paper where the first three pages were copied verbatim out of the text book. When I called her attention to it, she pointed out some quotation marks and claimed the first three pages was a quote! I explained that she could not do that, and she was pretty miffed that I re-wrote her work and inserting the proper references. *sigh*

54 posted on 03/30/2005 9:09:54 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic (" I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. " A. Lincoln)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I'm still laughing over a sign that was prominently displayed on a street corner in Stafford, Texas in the 1970s: Jone's Dirt Yard. I never did meet Mr. "Jone", even though I bought dirt there from time to time! Nobody else seemed to mind.


55 posted on 03/30/2005 9:14:46 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic (" I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. " A. Lincoln)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

"However, I never got thanked by any of my groups."

You are lucky the people in your groups even did ANY work from what I hear from various college kids. Usually they manage to weasel out of it by doing nothing. The smart kid wants to pass, so the smart kid does it all. The lazy kid gets the good grade. If the grade isn't good, the lazy kid, who did nothing, complains to the smart kid.
Or, the lazy kid does the work at the last minute leaving no time for corrections, so the group gets a low grade.
I always hated group projects, but I guess life is a group project. You just need to find out how to make sure the right people get credit.


56 posted on 03/30/2005 9:15:42 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

"Jone's Dirt Yard."

Good one! I saw a sign that said, "We sell flower's for wedding's"

I guess you always use an apostrophe if there is ANY doubt!


57 posted on 03/30/2005 9:19:30 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Petronski
>>Me fail english? That's unpossible!

"That word you keep using, I do not think it means what you think it means" </Grin> (See princess bride for reference)
58 posted on 03/30/2005 9:21:38 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Vision Thing

This sounds like a hugh and series problem. I will attend to it after I answer my beeber.


59 posted on 03/30/2005 9:21:42 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yep. When I was working in health policy, Word would constantly want to replace "HMOs" with "homos."

Well, I can understand it wanting to do that. Most of us want to get rid of our HMO's.

60 posted on 03/30/2005 9:22:16 AM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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