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Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries
Middle East Online ^ | 2005-03-30 | Patrick Baert

Posted on 04/04/2005 10:11:49 AM PDT by robowombat

2005-03-30 Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries Swiss foundation seeks to shed light on controversial Christian text named after apostle said to have betrayed Jesus. By Patrick Baert - GENEVA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About 2,000 years after the Gospel according to Judas sowed discord among early Christians, a Swiss foundation says it is translating for the first time the controversial text named after the apostle said to have betrayed Jesus Christ.

The 62-page papyrus manuscript of the text was uncovered in Egypt during the 1950s or 1960s, but its owners did not fully comprehend its significance until recently, according to the Maecenas Foundation in Basel.

The manuscript written in the ancient dialect of Egypt's Coptic Christian community will be translated into English, French and German in about a year, the foundation specialising in antique culture said on Tuesday.

"We have just received the results of carbon dating: the text is older than we thought and dates back to a period between the beginning of the third and fourth centuries," foundation director Mario Jean Roberty said.

The existence of a Gospel of Judas, which was originally written in Greek, was outlined by a bishop, Saint Irenee, when he denounced the text as heretical during the second century.

"It's the only clear source that allows us to know that such a Gospel did exist," Roberty explained.

The foundation declined to say what account Judas is said to give in his alleged gospel.

According to Christian tradition, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ by helping the Romans to find him before he was crucified.

"We do not want to reveal the exceptional side of what we have," Roberty said.

The author of the text is unknown.

"No one can clearly state that Judas wrote it himself," Roberty said, while pointing out that the other gospels were probably not written by their supposed authors either.

The four recognised gospels of the New Testament describe the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and are said to record his teachings from the eyes of four of his disciples, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Roman Catholic Church limited the recognised gospels to the four in 325, under the guidance of the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine.

Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

The foundation's director said the Judas Iscariot text called into question some of the political principles of Christian doctrine.

It could also to some extent rehabilitate Judas, whose name has often come to symbolise the accusation of deicide - God-killing - levelled by some Christian teachings against the Jewish people, he added.

After the manuscript is restored, the text is due to be translated and analysed by a team of specialists in Coptic history led by a former professor at the University of Geneva, Rudolf Kasser.

Jean-Daniel Kaestli, an expert on gospels who has seen the manuscript, said the discovery was "very interesting", although the papyrus was in a bad state.

He added that it was not going to lead to a revolutionary change in the vision of the Bible, although it could shed some new light on parts of Christianity's holy text.

The Maecenas Foundation, which aims to protect archaeological relics found in poor countries, hopes to organise exhibitions around the manuscript and to produce a documentary on the process of unravelling the text.

The full launch is due in Easter 2006.

Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries Swiss foundation seeks to shed light on controversial Christian text named after apostle said to have betrayed Jesus. By Patrick Baert - GENEVA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About 2,000 years after the Gospel according to Judas sowed discord among early Christians, a Swiss foundation says it is translating for the first time the controversial text named after the apostle said to have betrayed Jesus Christ.

The 62-page papyrus manuscript of the text was uncovered in Egypt during the 1950s or 1960s, but its owners did not fully comprehend its significance until recently, according to the Maecenas Foundation in Basel.

The manuscript written in the ancient dialect of Egypt's Coptic Christian community will be translated into English, French and German in about a year, the foundation specialising in antique culture said on Tuesday.

"We have just received the results of carbon dating: the text is older than we thought and dates back to a period between the beginning of the third and fourth centuries," foundation director Mario Jean Roberty said.

The existence of a Gospel of Judas, which was originally written in Greek, was outlined by a bishop, Saint Irenee, when he denounced the text as heretical during the second century.

"It's the only clear source that allows us to know that such a Gospel did exist," Roberty explained.

The foundation declined to say what account Judas is said to give in his alleged gospel.

According to Christian tradition, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ by helping the Romans to find him before he was crucified.

"We do not want to reveal the exceptional side of what we have," Roberty said.

The author of the text is unknown.

"No one can clearly state that Judas wrote it himself," Roberty said, while pointing out that the other gospels were probably not written by their supposed authors either.

The four recognised gospels of the New Testament describe the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and are said to record his teachings from the eyes of four of his disciples, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Roman Catholic Church limited the recognised gospels to the four in 325, under the guidance of the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine.

Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

The foundation's director said the Judas Iscariot text called into question some of the political principles of Christian doctrine.

It could also to some extent rehabilitate Judas, whose name has often come to symbolise the accusation of deicide - God-killing - levelled by some Christian teachings against the Jewish people, he added.

After the manuscript is restored, the text is due to be translated and analysed by a team of specialists in Coptic history led by a former professor at the University of Geneva, Rudolf Kasser.

Jean-Daniel Kaestli, an expert on gospels who has seen the manuscript, said the discovery was "very interesting", although the papyrus was in a bad state.

He added that it was not going to lead to a revolutionary change in the vision of the Bible, although it could shed some new light on parts of Christianity's holy text.

The Maecenas Foundation, which aims to protect archaeological relics found in poor countries, hopes to organise exhibitions around the manuscript and to produce a documentary on the process of unravelling the text.

The full launch is due in Easter 2006.


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To: AppyPappy
Of course I have "scientific" proof. Why would I have faith in something without evidence?

Okay. Let's see your scientific proof that Jesus is the Son of God and that he was resurrected as described in the Bible.

101 posted on 04/04/2005 1:18:52 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Can you prove to me that Julius Caesar was a real person and not the creation of some fevered imagination? Maybe someone faked the tales and others then added him to the scrolls of histories. Maybe others made statues of what he "Might" have looked like

You miss my point. Re-read the thread.

102 posted on 04/04/2005 1:20:05 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: robowombat

Wasn't Judas so consumed by guilt he hanged himself?

When did he have time to write a gospel?


103 posted on 04/04/2005 1:20:40 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Rest in Peace, Holy Father)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I said I have proof. I didn't say I could show it to you. Every Christian has proof of the existence of Jesus and His Resurrection.


104 posted on 04/04/2005 1:25:41 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: hosepipe
I am not going to bother with much of you post I will let it speak for itself. But on the following:

Re: "Like God could not pick his own leaders and guide the "church" himself.. <<- rhetorical question..
He did in the beginning, and still does.. I think.."

God did pick the leader of his Church. It was Peter and it is clear the other apostles and disciples considered him so. It is in all four Gospels, Acts and even in some of Paul's letters. Remember two of the Gospels were written by a Apostle so if there was any question among them it might have shown itself.

You are correct God continues to guide the Church. The Holy Ghost will be in full force when the conclave meets to select a new Pope. The problem most have is they assume God always picks a saintly man but sometimes it is the weakness of a man that is selected. The failures of man moves us in ways we can not fully understand but God does.

The rest of your post I will leave alone.
105 posted on 04/04/2005 1:26:02 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: AppyPappy
I said I have proof. I didn't say I could show it to you. Every Christian has proof of the existence of Jesus and His Resurrection.

Like I wrote.

You don't have scientific proof that Jesus is the Son of God or that he was resurrected as it's written in the Bible.

You have faith.

There is a difference, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

106 posted on 04/04/2005 1:33:14 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Mark in the Old South
[ I am not going to bother with much of your post I will let it speak for itself. ]

I agree, doing that with you, myself..
You are specifically and exactly where your supposed to be..
I don't have a problem with that..
Actually I was posting for lurkers anyway..
Two monologues does not a conversation make..

107 posted on 04/04/2005 1:33:45 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
You don't have proof that Jesus is the Son of God or that he was resurrected as it's written in the Bible.

Yes I do. Otherwise, there would be no reason to believe. You seem to not believe in personal evidence. Do you believe that evidence that cannot be shared is not evidence?

108 posted on 04/04/2005 1:35:56 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 1stFreedom
That should be Pope Damasus (reigned 366 to 384), not Damascus.
109 posted on 04/04/2005 2:02:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Can you point me to the scientific proof that Jesus was the Son of God and was resurrected as told in the Bible?,

No proof, just evidence. Do you have a proof, your mom is your mom?

110 posted on 04/04/2005 2:17:43 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: GatorGirl

And when did Judas have time to learn Coptic?


111 posted on 04/04/2005 2:23:21 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

ooops!

Thanks..


112 posted on 04/04/2005 2:25:24 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: hosepipe
According to the Gospel according to St. John, the inscription on the cross was in Hebrew, "Roman," and Greek.

In Acts 21.37, Paul speaks to the Roman tribune ("chiliarch" or commander of 1,000 according to the Greek text) and the tribune responds in surprise, "You know Greek?" so obviously Paul had been speaking to him in Greek.

It was common in that era for educated Romans to be fluent in Greek...they started studying Greek at a young age.

113 posted on 04/04/2005 2:30:05 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Raycpa

Interesting list of dates. Whose dating are you following?


114 posted on 04/04/2005 2:35:20 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Follow links in my posts. The back up is there.


115 posted on 04/04/2005 2:41:45 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: robowombat

What information are we burying in sealed containers?

In case the unthinkable does happen. Has anyone thought of burying a Rosetta stone of sorts for future generations (say, 4,000 years from now). Paper decays, electronic info is notorious for becoming unreadable (e.g., format changes - think Edison Cylinders). With modern technology, some etched metal should be relatively cheap.


116 posted on 04/04/2005 2:52:58 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Raycpa
No proof, just evidence. Do you have a proof, your mom is your mom

Yup. It's called DNA.

Do you have DNA evidence that proves that Jesus is the Son of God?

117 posted on 04/04/2005 3:00:02 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Verginius Rufus
[ It was common in that era for educated Romans to be fluent in Greek...they started studying Greek at a young age. ]

True.

118 posted on 04/04/2005 3:06:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: robowombat

There are many, many gospels around. The strangest one I've read is the "Arabic Gospel of The Infancy" about Jesus' childhood. Google it and you can download the entire thing, it's about 10-15 pages and an amazing read.


119 posted on 04/04/2005 3:06:09 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: AppyPappy
Yes I do. Otherwise, there would be no reason to believe. You seem to not believe in personal evidence. Do you believe that evidence that cannot be shared is not evidence?

So, now we go from scientific evidence, to "scientific" proof, to personal evidence?

You do not have scientific evidence.

You have faith.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, there is a difference between the two.

120 posted on 04/04/2005 3:13:23 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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