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To Stop Deadly Virus in Angola, Group Seeks Hospital's Closing (Much bad news here)
NYT ^ | 4-9-05 | `

Posted on 04/09/2005 5:42:01 PM PDT by Mother Abigail

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To: Boundless

It would be nice to have some news come out from the area, except that the ones who would give semi-authoritative answers, the WHO, aren't there in any significant way, because they are being threatened.

Don't expect help from the UN, of course.

There IS news that it is in Luanda, the capital of Angola, where Marburg has been found in two (what a laughable number) in the Cacuaco slums.

I expect an explosive situation in Africa, in the next two weeks. If I'm wrong, I'll hang up my hat forever. Other countries are likely going to, if they haven't already, enforce the Angola borders out of self-protection.


41 posted on 04/09/2005 6:24:07 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

True,but SOME attempt could be made.


42 posted on 04/09/2005 6:24:17 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: Judith Anne
Transmission and Tissue Tropism

The mode of primary infection in any natural setting is unknown with Marburg and Ebola viruses. All secondary cases have been nosocomial or caused by intimate contact with a patient. Transmission occurs usually by contaminated blood samples. One Marburg case was acquired by sexual contact more than 60 days after the original infection. In addition, there is evidence to suggest respiratory spread of infection. Epidemiological data of the 1989 Reston outbreak suggest that droplet or vomit transmission was a major factor in virus spread within quarantine facilities. Virus is usually recovered from acute-phase sera and has also been found in throat washes, urine, soft tissue effusates, semen and anterior eye fluid, even when the specimens were obtained late in convalescence. It has also been regularly isolated from autoptic material, such as spleen, lymph nodes, liver and kidney but rarely from brain or other nervous tissues.

43 posted on 04/09/2005 6:25:33 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us")
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To: Mears

These are African borders. Same families and tribes are on both sides in the same areas.


44 posted on 04/09/2005 6:27:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Boundless
And the CDC, re this outbreak, has not updated its travel recommendation since the 5th, which stands unchanged as: "No U.S. travel restrictions are recommended at this time."

We saw this with SARS as well, nothing is as important to the government as open borders and free travel.

45 posted on 04/09/2005 6:29:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Mother Abigail

bump


46 posted on 04/09/2005 6:30:35 PM PDT by pgkdan (Johannes Paulus Magnus, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the informative post.


47 posted on 04/09/2005 6:30:38 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Mears

I agree. You know when there will be reporting? As soon as some reporters in some large city in Africa find out they've been exposed.


48 posted on 04/09/2005 6:31:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Mother Abigail; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; ...

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

MA, thanks for the ping.


49 posted on 04/09/2005 6:34:26 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mother Abigail

This is the stuff that nightmares come from.


50 posted on 04/09/2005 6:46:30 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SE Mom
Why isn't this all over the news?

I agree with the earlier poster's answer, and also, many folks got kind of jaded by the SARS outbreak. It didn't ever develop into the pandemic that a number of well-meaning professionals warned that it might (including CDC Director Gerberding). The thing is, Dr. Gerberding really wasn't crying wolf: It did have the potential but fortunately was contained (it could re-emerge). Now the agencies are a little gun shy about wide-ranging warnings. Of course, one case getting off a plane in Atlanta or somewhere and that will change. I think these comments apply to Avian influenza H5N1 as well.

51 posted on 04/09/2005 6:47:02 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Mother Abigail
"Medical workers warn visitors not to shake hands with anyone and not to stand directly in front of residents when talking to them, for fear that a cough could release an infectious spray of spittle."

This is new.
Most of the reports, such as this one, take this posture:
"Yokouibd ... stressed that it was "not an airborne
disease".

So which is it, world?
Do we have an airborne threat here?

52 posted on 04/09/2005 6:49:36 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Diogenesis
This is a tough one. The Marburg virus was first diagnosed in 1967 in Marburg Germany. It's thought to be indigenous in the African monkey population. It may be spreading because of a delay time in diagnosis. Education and isolation should at least help. Closing hospitals would lead to more family care of the patients and only make it worse.

I've read that Ebola spread because of cultural funeral rites, family members washing the body before burial. If this is still going on in some areas, that would contribute to it's spread.

53 posted on 04/09/2005 6:50:42 PM PDT by lizma
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Dog Gone; EternalHope; Heatseeker

more here...


54 posted on 04/09/2005 6:58:57 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: SE Mom
Why isn't this all over the news?

This was a New York Times article, and not the first one on it. No television coverage that I've seen, though.

55 posted on 04/09/2005 6:59:16 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Mother Abigail

Oh no.

There was a story in the past week about Delta releasing passenger lists to the CDC, and one a week or two ago about, IIRC, the feds being able to deny flights, or not let people disembark? I wonder if that's all related.

What worries me the most is the lag time that always seems to occur in reporting cases, or the inability to report cases in outlying rural areas, which then may be transmitted to more people.


56 posted on 04/09/2005 7:05:09 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Friend of the WPPFF)
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To: Jim Noble

"We saw this with SARS as well, nothing is as important to the government as open borders and free travel."

SARS spreading was/is completely different....
You cannot compare bum chuck Africa from megalopolis China, imho.


57 posted on 04/09/2005 7:05:59 PM PDT by jungleboy
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To: Mother Abigail

The latest reports this afternoon indicated that the two dead in Luanda were an Italian male and a teenage boy, with six other cases suspected. Neither of whom had traveled from Uige or had contact there. That's leap of more than 120 so miles over the mountains to Luanda. It seems there's a strong possibility that the Italian may have contacted people outbound from Angola already.


58 posted on 04/09/2005 7:07:07 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Dog Gone; SE Mom

I've seen stories on the CNN, AFP, & MSNBC web sites (all linked at Drudge)..and the article in this thread.


59 posted on 04/09/2005 7:09:18 PM PDT by lainie
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To: SE Mom
I've continued to keep up with these threads and am utterly baffled why this isn't making international news. This could turn into a world-wide nightmare. Why isn't this all over the news?

Not nearly as salacious as Michael Jackson, and Terri Schiavo's parents had a better publicist.

60 posted on 04/09/2005 7:09:27 PM PDT by Amelia (Still cynical after all these years.......)
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