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Posted on 05/27/2005 1:28:06 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel
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I hate 'em both. Most of us do, actually. I resent that they feel they can take over, and what they'll find is that if they are going to come to power they will have to compromise their views a bit. Legalized drugs and prostitution? WE CAN'T EVEN GET E-Z PASS!
Gee, are you one of them? If you are you wouldn't even have license plates, guy! Nice try though.
What were they doing there? AIDS transmission requires certain bodily fluids to be transferred. Perhaps if they were shaving people one after another with the same blade, some small amount of blood could be transferred. This is why I shave myself and never share my blade with anyone else. I remeber a store about a family with 3 hemophiliac sons. One got AIDS from a blood transfusion. The other 2 from sharing a razor with him.
See, I knew it. Health affects everybody, that was my point. There are plenty of cases before standards were put in place of people getting diseases from trips to dentists and tattoo parlors. I'm sure barber shops, too. I just hadn't heard about it in this country, only China. That's why I used them for an example.
Perhaps the details are wrong as this was a while ago. Three sons in the family and at least 1 hemophiliac; not necessarily 3 hemophiliac sons. And store should be story.
Um-hmm, my point exactly. You don't know who was there before you in a public setting. So, for the general good, states pass laws that require certain standards be met before the business is opened. I know that isn't a 100% guarantee on anything, but it is for the general good and in my opinion shouldn't be done away with.
I don't want to pay taxes for somebody else's food stamps. I don't want to support some old fart through social security when it won't be there for me. But I don't mind paying into the general safety of the public. Licensing somewhat insures this and shouldn't be done away with in my opinion.
And here's a story about a dentist in Florida that intentionally infected several of his patients with HIV, including a 13 year old girl. No mention of him not having a license.
"The country with more government than just about anyone has problems with something, so the solution for other nations is more government?"
If you're a hammer, after a while everything starts to look like a nail, LOL.
"I hate 'em both. Most of us do, actually."
I'm willing to venture a guess that, over time, you'll begin to hate less those whose views are least inimical to your own. So, if I were in your position, I'd probably reserve the condemnation for the socialists who'd really muck things up, and good. Does this make any sense?
I'm not a freestater, or a Libertarian, if that's what you mean. I've spent over 15 years in NE, including MA & NH. The "Live Free or Die" is a nice idea for a state motto, it's probably the worst bad joke there is on a license plate.
If the government knows the best practices, it could serve the public much better by publishing their information for the general public to consume. Such as PSA's on TV and radio.
But this really isn't about public health. This is about busy-body bureaucrats telling more and more people how to live their lives.
"This is about busy-body bureaucrats telling more and more people how to live their lives."
... and coercing quite a bit of money out of businesspeople in the process.
Nail cutting should be nationalized, unionized, and heavily regulated.
The thing is that for the government to protect these people, they pass laws that affect me as as well. And why aren't the parents of the children responsible for their safety? Why is the state responsible for the safety of every child from bad businessmen?
Why exactly would the municipality be liable if I go to a bad barber and he cuts part of my ear off? I'd sue the barber, not the city. Licensed barber or not.
Well, yes. Except for one thing: we aren't a bunch of hicks who can be bought, sold, or manipulated. That is the real reason why I, and most other Granite Staters, resent them choosing us. I don't think that's unreasonable. The whole idea that we are dumb and easily manipulated is patently offensive, and if you do some research into the movement they were looking for a rural state with a small population of people who were, in so many words, uninformed. How would you feel?
I think that the Libertarian party has alot of good qualities, and that these are the extremists. Hell, anybody who would pack up and move somewhere totally new on the basis of a political experiment has to be an extremist. I think that licensing from the government, despite a few drawbacks, is in place for a very good reason.
Hey everybody, let's all become Freestaters and give everybody, including the blind and illegal immigrants, drivers' licenses! Hmmm....
And you thought they drove bad in Mass!!!
I've read some of their material. It seemed to me that they were looking for a state with a relatively small population which already had a lot of libertarian leanings. The small population aspect was so that 20,000 political activists could come in and make a difference by evangelizing about how nifty freedom from government nannyism is.
"Nail cutting should be nationalized, unionized, and heavily regulated."
LOL, and the degrading, bourgeois practice of performing pedicures and toenail painting shall be vigorously protested as being a reactionary relic of bloodsucking capitalists, but only during the mandatory 35 hour work week.
I kinda like it, and in a state that has a property tax as it's only major tax it rings true for the most part. No income tax, no sales tax. I like that one.
We need to let go of the Old Man though. He needs to be taken off.
I never would've guessed that you weren't one. That license plate was about the most Libertarian thing I've ever seen, except that they probably wouldn't have plates.
"The whole idea that we are dumb and easily manipulated is patently offensive, and if you do some research into the movement they were looking for a rural state with a small population of people who were, in so many words, uninformed. How would you feel?"
As I mentioned before, I'm a southerner. I probably have more exposure to this sort of attitude than you realize. I'm also quite familiar with the Free State Project. I'd call myself a "small l" libertarian; I will vote for the Libertarian candidate if there is little potential consequence from doing so, and vote Republican when it really matters. The reason New Hampshire was chosen had nothing do to with a sense of disdain for NH natives; on the contrary, they believed and still believe that you have the most in common with them. That is a very important distinction... they respect you and your views and your style of governance, with a relative lack of government interference.
I've had to learn to accept that my hometown and county are going to change. It's not something that can easily be halted, no matter how much I might want it to be. Many, if not most, of the "outsiders" that I have to deal with really do believe that we natives are ignorant hicks. This is a belief that goes back centuries. The Free Stater "outsiders" you're having to deal with chose to come to your state because it was seen as the one place most hospitable to them, with people who came the closest to agreeing with their beliefs. I'd trade our arrogant yankees for your Free Staters in a heartbeat. Wanna swap?