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Police: Elderly N.J. Couple Had Hundreds Of Guns
WNBC Television ^ | 6/2/2005

Posted on 06/02/2005 5:16:17 AM PDT by Puppage

RIDGEFIELD, N.J. -- Ridgefield police had to call in the National Guard to haul away 100,000 rounds of ammunition after finding nearly 500 guns in an elderly couple's home.

The weapons range from pistols to machine guns.

The home belongs to Sherwin and Elizabeth Raymond. Both are 82 years old.

She suffers from Alzheimer's disease. He was a physician and gun enthusiast who was arrested in 1974 and charged with selling submachine guns, grenades and other weapons to two undercover federal agents.

He's now charged with creating a hazardous situation and could face other charges.

Federal officials plan to begin tracing the weapons to determine whether they were legally obtained and ever used in a crime.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 4473; arsenal; atf; bang; banglist; batf; batfe; cache; confiscation; firearms; goa; jbt; jpfo; newjersey; nj; nra; rkba
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She suffers from Alzheimer's disease.

So? Maybe she's incontinent, too.

1 posted on 06/02/2005 5:16:17 AM PDT by Puppage
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What the heck are they guilty of?


2 posted on 06/02/2005 5:18:39 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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I don't blame them...they probably looked around and saw how the government was running the country.......


3 posted on 06/02/2005 5:19:09 AM PDT by Route101
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To: SouthernFreebird

What's a "hazardous situation" and how can you be charged?


4 posted on 06/02/2005 5:19:57 AM PDT by caver (In the words of that illustrious socialite twit Paris Hilton, "That's hot".)
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To: Puppage

He should have not lived in NJ if he wanted that kind of collection. Of course that does not let NJ off the hook for being a state that thumbs its nose at the constitution.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 5:20:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlien).)
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To: SouthernFreebird
Were the guns locked up? Who "ratted them out"??

So far, they're guilty of nothing.

6 posted on 06/02/2005 5:21:17 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Puppage

I don't know that a crime was committed but I'm not sure I would want an Alzheimer's victim having easy access to weapons.

My grandmother had a neighbor who suffered from Alzheimer's disease. He tried to kill his wife when he didn't recognize her.


7 posted on 06/02/2005 5:22:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: Puppage

I'm curious as to why the cops were searching their house in the first place. Does any one know?


8 posted on 06/02/2005 5:23:25 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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I'm not sure I would want an Alzheimer's victim having easy access to weapons

Where in this article does it mention easy access??

9 posted on 06/02/2005 5:23:25 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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My aunt had Alzheimer's disease and when she reached a certain point in her psychosis I wouldn't have wanted her to have access to any guns.

It would have been worse than leaving them for a child to get at.


10 posted on 06/02/2005 5:23:35 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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"The weapons range from pistols to machine guns."

Really now? I doubt it. Typical ignorant media.

"He's now charged with creating a hazardous situation."

What hazardous situation? Did he booby-trap his collection? Were the guns stored loaded, cocked and UNlocked? Don't the police know how to handle weapons and ammunition?

11 posted on 06/02/2005 5:23:40 AM PDT by SW6906
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FReepers, if you have this sort of a collection, it is your civic duty to start passing it on to Constitutionally-minded youngsters when you get up in years, so this fate does not come to it.


12 posted on 06/02/2005 5:24:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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He's now charged with creating a hazardous situation and could face other charges.

I guess the police armory is a "hazardous situation," too. At what point does gun ownership transition from collecting to a "hazardous situation"? Can I own 99 guns and be a collector, but buy one more and be charged with a crime? How did the police ever get a warrant to search if there was no evidence of a crime?

13 posted on 06/02/2005 5:24:56 AM PDT by mbynack
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A real shame ping.


14 posted on 06/02/2005 5:24:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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To: Puppage

They were in the home. that's easy access in my book.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 5:25:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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All I see in this article are more guns seized by the government from private citizens.
16 posted on 06/02/2005 5:25:19 AM PDT by chapin2500 (Howard Deans eyes are to close together.)
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To: SouthernFreebird
He was a physician and gun enthusiast who was arrested in 1974 and charged with selling submachine guns, grenades and other weapons to two undercover federal agents.

Notice it does not say "convicted". If he had been, then imho, they would have said so. At that point, absent any felony convictions or misdemeanor acts of domestic violence, I can't think of a Federal crime here. Unless the Class 3 stuff does not have the paperwork.

It sounds to me as if someone is looting the gentle folks' gun collection.

17 posted on 06/02/2005 5:26:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: SouthernFreebird
What the heck are they guilty of?

Being targeted & set up by JBT's. I am very surprised the feds ddin't track down their kids & shoot them ala Randy Weaver's wife.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 5:30:24 AM PDT by ctlpdad (Liberals - weeds in the lawn of society.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Wise advice.


19 posted on 06/02/2005 5:31:19 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Puppage

Yep the police have found a very valuble life time collection and will find a way to keep it and profit themselves, just because they can.


20 posted on 06/02/2005 5:31:35 AM PDT by Judge Roy
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