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Fred Phelps the Viper: Clues to What's Driving Him-- Al Gore? [God-hates-faXs ping]
Several Sources Linked | July 1, 2005 | Arthur Wildfire! March

Posted on 07/01/2005 2:11:39 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March

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Fred Phelps, leader of the "God-hates-faXs" movement, is planning on crashing the funeral of one of our War Dead on July 4th. Why? To spread his message of anti-homosexual SPAM in the most inappropriate way imaginable. There's a time and a place for everything. He's a publicity whore, as far as I'm concerned.

Here are snips from an earlier FR Report:

"A SF SGT E-5, James Stewart, will be buried in St. Petersburg, Florida on July 4, 2005. It's wholly appropriate that he be buried on our nation's birthday, because Sergeant Stewart gave his life for our country.... and all of us. He was killed in Iraq by a roadside bomb, call an IED in MilSpeak. IED is short for "Improvised Explosive Device." [snip]

"A Topeka, Kansas freak has announced plans to disrupt the burial with chants, bull horns and signs that read, "Thank God for IEDs" "God Hates America," "This Soldier Is In Hell," and "God Wanted This Soldier Dead." " [snip]

[posted by Mindbender26-- link posted at bottom of next post.]

It's my belief that whether that "Topeka, Kansas freak" shows up there or not, it's a good time we try to uncover just what that "freak", Fred Phelps, is about.

And while the clock is ticking, the anti-Christians are gloating, trying to compare Phelps with all Christian Conservatives. Fred Phelps is like a custom-made punching bag for the Left. And guess what? Maybe he is. Can you spell, "Al Gore?"

Fred Phelps went even further than I go [saying a lot, I have to tell you] , even further than Repent America goes, in calling sodomites to task, using our War Dead as props! He's stabbed our fighting forces in the back time-after-time. And I've been digging today to figure out why.

Here's what I've uncovered so far [and if you have sourcing that can confirm or deny, please contribute.]

1. Phelps was reportely a propaganda operative for Saddam Hussein.

2. He was reportedly a propaganda operative for Fidel Castro.

3. Fred Phelps was reportedly very tight with Al Gore, along with photographic evidence.

4. He was reportedly a narcotics abuser.

5. It's widely reported that Phelps was a shady lawyer, and several others his family have been practicing lawyers.

Let's take this step-by-step:

[Continued on my next post]


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1 posted on 07/01/2005 2:11:40 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

He's also a Baptist.


2 posted on 07/01/2005 2:12:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

He's not a Christian though.


3 posted on 07/01/2005 2:17:02 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Fred Phelps
4 posted on 07/01/2005 2:17:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
1. Fred Phelps was reportedly a propaganda operative for Saddam Insane.

What bothers me is there's nothing about this on the CNN website [at least in google]. I would have thought that CNN, being on such good terms with Saddam, would have plastered their website with this. But I hadn't found anything about Phelps there yet. So please bear that in mind.

Wikipedia seems to be a root source of this report:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps#Affiliations_with_Saddam_Hussein_and_Fidel_Castro

"...In 1997, before the fall of Saddam Hussein during the second Gulf War, Phelps wrote him a letter praising his regime, and received special permission from the Iraqi government to send a group of his children to Baghdad to protest against the American government..." [snip]

Phelps had his church followers [children] stand in the streets of Baghdad with all kinds of hate-America signs.
Wikipedia adds:

"...Phelps mourned the fall of Hussein's regime and has consistently criticized the invasion of Iraq, citing, "IRAQ=USA=SODOM" and keeping a toll on his webpage celebrating the death of every American soldier killed and pronouncing loyalty to Iraq..." [snip]

Now I have to ask, if this report is true, just why is Phelps celebrating the deaths of our soldiers? Because he hates sodomites? Or because he supports Saddam Insane?
Another website, biologydaily.com, is almost word-for-word, with the same report as Wikipedia:

http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Fred_Phelps#Affiliations_with_Saddam_Hussein_and_Fidel_Castro



2. He was reportedly a propaganda operative for Fidel Castro.
In both the above links, wikipedia and biologydaily, Phelps had been working with Fidel Castro, at least some that's reported. They quote Harper's Magazine in 1998.



3. Very Tight With Al Gore
This has been more widely reported than the ties with Castro and Saddam. For how long? As late as 1997, the same year he reportedly reached out to Baghdad!

http://www.lcrga.com/archive/200010251159.shtml
Mind you: this is a Georgia Log Cabin Republicans web page, but they claim these are authentic photos of Gore and Tipper with the Phelps family.

Gore Political Ties to "God Hates Fags" Founders Uncovered

Gore and Wife Tipper Headlined Fund raiser at Phelps' Topeka Home; Phelps Family Reportedly Invited to Clinton-Gore Inaugurations in 93 and 97 [snip]

[Web site has photos claiming it's the Gore family with the Phelps family]

Wikipedia confirms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps

CNS confirms:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200010\POL20001016c.html

"...The people of this church were powerfully persuaded that, because of him talking to us - I'm talking about eyeball to eyeball - that he was opposed to the homosexual, so-called gay rights agenda," said Fred W. Phelps, pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, where he runs the anti-homosexuality web site as part of the church’s ministry..." [snip]

CNS adds this:
"...The 70-year-old pastor also claimed to have made arrangements for Gore’s campaign staff in Kansas to live with parishioners during the campaign, and Phelps’ son provided office space for the campaign and hosted a fundraising event for Gore following his failed bid for his party’s presidential nomination..."



4. Narcotics abuser?
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/phelps/bl_phelpschapter04.htm

[Note this has a very pro-homosexual slant]

"...Fred Phelps became heavily dependent on amphetamines and barbituates while in law school. Every week for 6 years, from 1962-1967, their mother would give Mark a 20 dollar bill and ask him to go down and pick up his father's 'allergy medicine'..." [snip]

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

[note this page has a strong disclaimer]

"But the beast already so poorly penned within Fred now came out. Under the conflicting tug of speed that wouldn't wear off and the Darvon he'd taken to sleep, the Pastor Phelps would often wake his family in the middle of the night while doing his imitation of a whirling dervish whose shoes were tied together: "With all the drugs, he had very little body control," remembers Mark, "so we weren't really scared of him then."

http://www.baptistwatch.org/content/expose3.html

[similar word-for-word account as the other two]
"...He also picked up bottles of little yellow pills that were to 'help daddy get to sleep'..."

http://www.topekadiy.com/xfsection+index.category+3+orderby+createdA+PHPSESSID+acd2cfc0cfa3005e1757116c1007e80a.htm

"...Finally, Fred's system could no longer withstand being wrenched up by reds in the morning and jerked down by barbituates at night. One day, he didn't wake up. Mark remembers seeing the long, gray ambulance in the driveway. His father had slipped into a coma from toxic drug abuse..."

http://www.topekadiy.com/edito+content.id+1.htm

This is in a letter Mark Phelps reportedly wrote last year to citizens of Topeka and northeast Kansas:

"...I also realize that my father is a very unstable person who is determined to hurt people. And because he is so bound to be hateful and hurtful, and because he's so untrustworthy, I believe it's a good idea to respond to him with caution much like the caution used when dealing with a rattlesnake or a mad dog. You see, the causes that he crusades for, including the Bible, are not the issue here. He simply wants to hate and to have a forum for his hate. If the causes he focuses on were the issue, that is, if they really meant something to him in his heart and he meant for the things he does to be for the good, his behavior would not be what it is..."

5. Shady Lawyer?

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:QD5jeX4KZ8gJ:www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp%3Fsid%3D184+%22fred+phelps%22+campaign+governor&hl=en&start=3

1964

Phelps earns a law degree from Washburn University in Topeka, but has trouble joining the state bar when no judges are willing to vouch for his "good character," the normal procedure under Kansas law. Phelps overcomes this obstacle by providing recommendations from others.
Before the end of his legal career in 1989, Phelps will file some 400 suits, mostly in federal court. Estranged son Nathan Phelps will claim later that part of his father's strategy is to file frivolous lawsuits in the hope that his targets will settle to avoid the costs of defense.

1990

Phelps, undertaking a run for governor of Kansas, begins disseminating flyers attacking his gubernatorial competitors and other state politicians in unusually personal terms. He loses the Democratic primary, but garners 11,634 votes, 6.7% of the total.

[a lot of other interesting stuff there, but moving along...]

You can get an earful about all manner of reports from these pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps#Criminal_record

1987: Witness intimidation, threats, and attempted extortion (charges were brought up by the Kansas Bar Association and used as evidence in Phelps' disbarment and the launching of disbarment hearings against his children) [snip]

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/fred-phelps/
1979 The Kansas Supreme Court disbars Fred Phelps, declaring in part that he had "little regard for the ethics of his profession."

1989 Fred Phelps surrenders his license to practice law in Federal court.
[snip out of rotten.com]

For more information than you would care to read, here are some other pages:

http://www.killcreek.com/devolution/addicted.html

That page starts off this way:
IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF SHAWNEE COUNTY, KANSAS
DIVISION 7
Case No. 94CV766
JON BELL, Plaintiff,
vs.
STAUFFER COMMUNICATIONS, INC., Defendant.

[snip]

http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Fred_Phelps

Final Question: If it's true that Phelps was a friend of Al Gore, just what on earth attracted Gore to him? Was it Castro? Was it Saddam? Drugs? A shady lawyer? What? Why did Gore like this guy?

Here's the link to James Stewart's July 4th funeral:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433446/posts
5 posted on 07/01/2005 2:18:24 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I'd heard that Fred was caught in an homosexual embrace with Justice Souter.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 2:19:24 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: CajunConservative
He's not a Christian though.

He's convinced he is. To hear him talk he's destined for paradise and will probably expect to take over from God.

7 posted on 07/01/2005 2:19:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

"He's also a Baptist."

Only according to him. He is not recognised by any mainstream Baptist church. His group had a demonstration at a Baptist church here a year ago. His reason was that the coach of the women's basketball team for a major, local university worshipped there; his reasoning was that all female coaches are "that way." The guy is a moron.


8 posted on 07/01/2005 2:19:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

phelps is a plant.

a bad 1dimensional character of a B movie.


9 posted on 07/01/2005 2:21:13 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Army Air Corps
The guy is a moron.

No arguement there. But the man is just as much a Christian as he is a Democrat. I don't know anyone in that party that doesn't distance themselves from Phred and his Phlock. Every Democrat of my acquaintance is just as disgusted with him as every Republican I know is. Trying to hang Phelps on them is ridiculous.

10 posted on 07/01/2005 2:22:19 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: OXENinFLA; kristinn; Tumbleweed_Connection; Do not dub me shapka broham; Cindy; backhoe; ...

Ping for a family that is about to get really messed over by this guy!!!!!! They just want to mourn for their loved one, a man who died for his country. And Phelps wants to use him as a stage prop!


11 posted on 07/01/2005 2:22:41 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
God hates faxes? Better email instead.
12 posted on 07/01/2005 2:22:59 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The legislative process is like the digestive process, same end product)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He is neither a Baptist nor a Christian. He may say that he is, but he isn't.


13 posted on 07/01/2005 2:24:14 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I've been to a lot of those sites. Good link!


14 posted on 07/01/2005 2:24:22 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I think that only the tinfoil hat brigade would lay claim to him. Hmm, come to think of it, whay hasn't George Noory interviewed him? He is always open to kooks who even made Art Bell say, "Dude, you are a nut!"


15 posted on 07/01/2005 2:24:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Won't he be in for a big surprise if he never ever truly repents.


16 posted on 07/01/2005 2:27:12 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"He is neither a Baptist nor a Christian. He may say that he is, but he isn't."

I hear you. If Phelps were, in fact, a "plant" or operative, what would he do differently?

I mean the left is getting the best of both worlds: Not only is he demoralizing to our troops, he boosts our enemies, and he makes the Right look goofy. It's like a leftist's greatest fantasy.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 2:30:43 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Here's what I've uncovered so far [and if you have sourcing that can confirm or deny, please contribute.]

1. Phelps was reportely a propaganda operative for Saddam Hussein.

2. He was reportedly a propaganda operative for Fidel Castro.

3. Fred Phelps was reportedly very tight with Al Gore, along with photographic evidence.

4. He was reportedly a narcotics abuser.

5. It's widely reported that Phelps was a shady lawyer, and several others his family have been practicing lawyers.




Ha!

This is going to be good.


Phelps for supreme court justice?????????????????




18 posted on 07/01/2005 2:30:44 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: r9etb

ping

(re: your recent reference)


19 posted on 07/01/2005 2:34:10 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

20 posted on 07/01/2005 2:37:43 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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